What is wrong with defense?

[ksuttonjr76]

Agree with everything. I just want to add...STOP allowing the offensive player to be able to bump me backwards or to the side 2-3 feet, and I'm forced to compensate while still trying to stay in front of my man. That is all.

[alabamarob]

Re: What is wrong with defense?

I went back and played 2k11 and 2k13 this morning. Outside of the lack of paint contact. 2k11's defense is more realistic mainly because the offensive and defensive animations are slower, and both move at an equal speed.

2k13's offensive animations are unrealistically too fast, and the offensive animations are faster than the defensive animations.

The offense already has a realistic advantage being that you must respond to the offensive player's move as a defender. However, the offensive players animations to jump and finish around the goal are twice as fast as a defensive players in defending them, and this is unrealistic. Even when you time a block or defensive move perfectly the offensive animation will often override or move faster than your defensive animation. Thus, handicapping the defender.

A major example being Put backs on offensive rebounds. The rebounder is able to grab the rebound and instantly jump back up for a dunk or a layup the millisecond they touch the ground. Leaving the defender no time to react. Does not matter who the player is or what direction they are facing.

If 2k14 has a live ball, increase paint contact, slow down the scoring animations, speed up the defensive animations, and properly balance the speed of a defensive animation and an offensive animation then the game will be a classic.

[Bexthelegend]

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[/LIST]Zone recovery speed is so rediculous right now that it has to be fixed along with the passing wpeed.

I think both of these problems, are just products of the real and larger problem with 2k.

That problem is the horrendous court spacing. It's because the spacing is so bad, that the zone is so much more effective in this game than in real life. This is because in real life, you can simply use ball movement to get to open shooters to attack a zone, but in 2k players can travel across court in 1 second because the court size doesn't accurately reflect a real nba game. It's the same with passing speed in the half court, the reason slow passing looks so bad, is because the opponent can recover to your open man in unrealistically fast time, because the court space isn't realistic.

There's a reason why 1-3-1 zone's aren't used at the pro level, and that's because any team with good spacing can rip it apart, but 2k doesn't give the user the spacing that required to do that correctly. However, 2k does reward people for doing 200 isolation dribbes against a Zone, which really bugs me .

[apollooff320]

Re: What is wrong with defense?

I would like to see double teams actually working. I know it was missing last year, but it's broken this year. The CPU always make perfect passes right out of them even they don't even have the angle.
I like to see see a stop with the CPU being able to dribble down the court and shoot right off the dribble with anyone and make the shot, but when the user does it it's a brick. I also hate how the CPU penetrates with average or poor passers and goes up for lay up or dunk and the user is about to get the block; then becomes Magic Johnson passes the ball around you or between two defenders perfectly to a teammate.

[stillfeelme]

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There needs to be more of a penalty when the AI drives. It crossovers and spins four or fives times on drives against you because it knows eventually it'll break through. How many times has someone in the NBA changed direction five times on a drive and made a basket? The more the offensive player changes directions, the more likely he should pick up his dribble, get pushed back, or lose the ball. He shouldn't lose the ball as much as in 2k12(that was overkill), but poor ball handlers should lose it after a well timed steal attempt by a bodying-up defender.

I'd also like better responsiveness on blocks. No more jumping a full second after you press the button.

The part about the spinning multiple times and crossovers and then finishing I hope they can fix it. The problem to me is most if not all the shots are separated from what dribbling move was performed beforehand the two are not connected. They need more out of control animations especially for shooting layups. The same problem exist for dunking. Highlight/breakway type dunks in traffic.

[Illuminatos94]

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Oh yeah I forgot...MAKE THE COURT BIGGER!

Not only will this fix the overpowered zone but it'll improve the mid range game which is seriously lacking in this game. Give me more space to operate. At this point it's either shooting threes or driving.

[jersez]

Re: What is wrong with defense?

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There was a discussion about live ball physics and I said it wouldn't apply to the cpu meaning, a action or situation that would cause me to lose the ball, it doesn't happen to the cpu this is an example of what I was saying. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/oiu5SdjvwQ8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

To my first video.
I have a issue with this, 2k forcing animations I'm holding turbo but it's like the game purposely slowed me down so Danny green could make the shot.

I just wanted to add thank you guys for all posting suggestions on what needs to be fixed, giving and describing what needs to be fixed. I believe this is a great way for the devs to see what we are talking about.

[friscob]

Re: What is wrong with defense?

My Career is completely broken so no need to list all of its problems.

1. Unblockable/unalterable dunks

2. Ice Skating

3. Going for pass lane steal and your player goes the completely other direction

4. Animations Animations Animations. CPU kicks the ball to my controlled players man who is open for a shot and they won't let me sprint to contest it b/c you get forced into a walking animation (I HATE THIS)

You turn the ball over and instead of sprinting back I get forced into a slow walking animation for the first 2 steps

5. Over dribbling and the ability to just dribble right through defenders as if they're not there

6. Offensive rebounding by the CPU is overpowered and serves as a back breaker when you actually play solid D

7. Cheezy shots by average players

8. Shot clock cheeze

9. End of quarter/end of half cheeze

[o Elevate o]

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Man, it seems like some of the "cores" of basic defense are truly lacking in 2k13, and it's been that way since at least 2012 (started playing with 2k11).

- Defenders don't rotate or help

- No true contact in the paint

- On-ball defense is atrocious, basically to the point where it's impossible to man up unless the other guy doesn't ISO

I mean, if a guy has a ballhandler like Kyrie Irving, it's curtains for ANYBODY guarding him because of how slow the game animations are for defense. The only chance is if you let the CPU defend, which takes you right out of the action. I want to be able to shut Kobe down late and say I did it, not watch as the CPU tries to do it.

Driving to the paint is still WAY too easy. At first, guys like LBJ used to be the ultimate cheese online (I still remember playing a game in 2k12 where my friend did the cheesy spin-dunk literally every possession without fail). But now, anyone with a dunk rating high enough can dominate because of the lack of true contact and collision detection. Even looking at that Live 10 video, the paint defense was better than ANYTHING I've seen with 2k. Not to mention, defenders don't even rotate; this makes it even easier to dominate inside because they'll just sit and watch. Carlos Boozer plays better defense than the defenders in 2k...

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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There was a discussion about live ball physics and I said it wouldn't apply to the cpu meaning, a action or situation that would cause me to lose the ball, it doesn't happen to the cpu this is an example of what I was saying. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/oiu5SdjvwQ8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

To my first video.
I have a issue with this, 2k forcing animations I'm holding turbo but it's like the game purposely slowed me down so Danny green could make the shot.

I just wanted to add thank you guys for all posting suggestions on what needs to be fixed, giving and describing what needs to be fixed. I believe this is a great way for the devs to see what we are talking about.

Thought I was the only one that felt the game purposely does those things when facing the CPU .

[kurt2134]

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One of my biggest gripes is with the shot blocking and how terrible the system is for it.

There's only so much that you as a player can do to get a block in a video game and the rest is reliant on the animations playing out. Even if you do everything you can in regards to timing, position, choosing a shot blocker to contest with, etc, most of the time the player just uses the opposite hand, jumps the wrong way, or gets sucked into some animation and you get a foul or just get scored on.

It's such a huge part of the game and it should reward players for getting everything right on their end and not be completely random. I've owned every 2K since 2K2 and I think it's worse now than it used to be in some ways.

[Chocolate Chip]

Re: What is wrong with defense?

players being able to escape double teams easily

[Vni]

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I might be the only one but I think defense is overpowered in 2K13. At least on HOF sim when I play my friendlist. Scores rarely go above 90, and theses days they even barely reach 80 points.

That's mainly because of stuff like magnetic defense animations, crowding animation, contact animations intense defense, right stick defense, terrible spacing and the lack of shooting foul wich makes the help defense completely overpowered. All that a late help defender has to do is to bump the offensive player as he goes for the layup and if his name isn't Durant, Kobe, Carmelo, Lebron etc it's a miss and rarely if ever a foul is called. Kind of a shame when you play on simulation settings and you barely get 5 ft attempts per games.

Lot of good stuff and legit gripe in this thread though like the lack of contact or the terrible help defensive rotation but I think it's hard to judge how the defense is in the game if you're playing a game mode on casual settings or against a cheesy/buffed AI.

[jersez]

Re: What is wrong with defense?

I might be the only one but I think defense is overpowered in 2K13. At least on HOF sim when I play my friendlist. Scores rarely go above 90, and theses days they even barely reach 80 points.

That's mainly because of stuff like magnetic defense animations, crowding animation, contact animations intense defense, right stick defense, terrible spacing and the lack of shooting foul wich makes the help defense completely overpowered. All that a late help defender has to do is to bump the offensive player as he goes for the layup and if his name isn't Durant, Kobe, Carmelo, Lebron etc it's a miss and rarely if ever a foul is called. Kind of a shame when you play on simulation settings and you barely get 5 ft attempts per games.

Lot of good stuff and legit gripe in this thread though like the lack of contact or the terrible help defensive rotation but I think it's hard to judge how the defense is in the game if you're playing a game mode on casual settings or against a cheesy/buffed AI.

The videos I posted besides one was on hof and sim sliders(kobe video it was another person's video). I think most people are talking about your teammates defensively.

[Vni]

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Oh yeah what you posted does indeed happen on HOF Sim.

The defense isn't legit but it's also overpowered to me. At least from my experience in hum v hum.

Raising the shooting foul slider would help balancing it. I seriously have no idea why they don't do it since most people either play offline and they can adjust sliders or play quick ranked where it's probably not even on simulation, myteam where it's just a cheese fest and my career where everyone complains about the lack of fouls.

Fouls are part of the game 2K.