2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

[J_Posse]

I'm liking what I see from your roster, Hyper. It plays damn good in comparison to the default roster, but I have two questions:

1) Why are high-quality bigs (Jefferson, Horford & Bosh) so lowly rated/scaled? I probably need to see more examples, but it seems the scale is more perimeter player friendly.

2) I realize that you said individual ratings won't be addressed, but why are LeBron's physical attributes (speed, quickness & vertical) not higher? I believe that LeBron, Rose and Howard (possibly Westbrook) are the most physically gifted players in the current NBA. Should they not have (much) higher attributes to suggest that?


When will you have more teams available? I'm dying to try the Spurs and Wizards with your great edits.....

from Bills Backer Clubhouse

[Hyperballer21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

I'm liking what I see from your roster, Hyper. It plays damn good in comparison to the default roster, but I have two questions:

1) Why are high-quality bigs (Jefferson, Horford & Bosh) so lowly rated/scaled? I probably need to see more examples, but it seems the scale is more perimeter player friendly.

2) I realize that you said individual ratings won't be addressed, but why are LeBron's physical attributes (speed, quickness & vertical) not higher? I believe that LeBron, Rose and Howard (possibly Westbrook) are the most physically gifted players in the current NBA. Should they not have (much) higher attributes to suggest that?


When will you have more teams available? I'm dying to try the Spurs and Wizards with your great edits.....

from Bills Backer Clubhouse

Glad you are enjoying and great questions

1) Bigs are rated low because of the intelligence scale that does and should favor smaller players. For the most part, big men are going to have the lowest IQ on the floor while the PG will have the highest since they are running the offense. Awareness plays a big factor in overall ratings so this is why it appears low.

2) Wait to see how the other SF's in the game are rated physically before judging. Once more teams are done, you'll have a better comparison. As of now comparing the 6 teams completed, Lebron has a <b>B+</b> athleticism which is only 2nd to DeRozan's <b>A</b> (DeRozan is 22, Lebron is 27, age does play a role).

More teams are to come. Wizards are coming up (I try to do the teams with bad records earlier).

[DaTwolves21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Lebron B+ athleticism and demarr derozan an A. Come on, derozan isn't even the best player on his team. It's not a consistent basis for derozan. I guess at the end of the day all rosters are more opinionated then anything else.

[Pabby boy]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Some new roster Info. This will be added to the OP later.

Ricky Rubio has been rated, 57 Ovr. See why below.

<b>Rookie Ratings:</b> I know some of you enjoy seeing your favorite NCAA players come into the NBA with high ratings. Well things won't work that way around here. I have no interest in giving high ratings to unproven NBA Talents. It makes no sense for Kyrie Irving to come into the NBA with higher ratings than Jarrett Jack. All rookies will be scaled with harsh penalties. The penalty of inexperience. Even the best rookies are still unproven, so until they show what they can do over a long time period, they will be treated as unproven talents. Awareness ratings will take the biggest hit compared to 2K Official Rosters when it comes to how they usually rate the rookies. Each rating category will have a cap for all incoming rookies (Think MyPlayer Mode) to ensure that they aren't rated on the same level as proven NBA Talent. So if you expect to see Kyrie Irving at a 76 and you don't know why, this is not the roster for you.

Note: Rookies with international pro experience will receive attribute bonuses in certain categories.

<b>Shot In Traffic:</b> This will be adjusted in upcoming updates. This is another way we felt that we can spread the gap between superstars, role players, and scrubs. No longer will you have scrubs hitting pull up jumpers in your face like they are Steve Nash. It'll happen every once in a while. But, more than often, the cream of the crop will be able to hit those "wow, did he just do that" shots.

<b>Step Through Tendency:</b> I feel that this move is used too much by default and everybody doing Kobe-type footwork. It also prevent players from going "straight up" underneath the basket. So we decided to put the majority of players (almost all) at 0. Only certain players (a handful or two) will you see pull these tricks out of their bag. We wanted those players to be special.

there are no rookies in the roster though?

[Hyperballer21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Lebron B+ athleticism and demarr derozan an A. Come on, derozan isn't even the best player on his team. It's not a consistent basis for derozan. I guess at the end of the day all rosters are more opinionated then anything else.

What does Athletic ability have to do with being the best player on a team?

[Hyperballer21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

there are no rookies in the roster though?

Rookies wont be release until all teams are finished, and then once 2k releases them to us by fixing their skin tones.

[raptorfan8]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Hey hyper. First of all AMAZING work my friend. I have played using your sliders and rosters, I thought the numbers were all wacky and weird but wow$ I think your doing the best work of anyone else. And kudos to using the all time scale rating system. I have been using shot stick and all star settings so I will play some more games and give feedback but I really want to say great work and ill try to help you with testing results as best I can

[iameich]

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Hyperballer,

I'll try out ur roster tonight once I get home. I read the entire thread & I like what I've read regarding ur scales/ratings/tendencies & other ways u rate players/teams.

I've been helping/testing youALREADYknow's roster/slider set. I'll definitely provide feedback after each testing.

[iameich]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Rookies wont be release until all teams are finished, and then once 2k releases them to us by fixing their skin tones.

u should consider implementing youALREADYknow's rookie caps on ur roster. just a thought my dude.

[DaTwolves21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

What does Athletic ability have to do with being the best player on a team?

I just don't see it that way, I respect what you do, I just can't agree with giving Lebron anything short of elite athleticism when he sets the precedent for it in today's game. Derozan ain't really much, I don't know, 2k seems to amp things up and I just don't wanna see derozan dunking 10 times a game from newhere and not playing his real game.

[Hyperballer21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Hey hyper. First of all AMAZING work my friend. I have played using your sliders and rosters, I thought the numbers were all wacky and weird but wow$ I think your doing the best work of anyone else. And kudos to using the all time scale rating system. I have been using shot stick and all star settings so I will play some more games and give feedback but I really want to say great work and ill try to help you with testing results as best I can

Yea, the numbers we use may appear "wacky", but its all <b>basketball logic</b> behind everything we do as well as manipulating the system. Glad you appreciate the All-time scale. Its a better way to differentiate players.

Hyperballer,

I'll try out ur roster tonight once I get home. I read the entire thread & I like what I've read regarding ur scales/ratings/tendencies & other ways u rate players/teams.

I've been helping/testing youALREADYknow's roster/slider set. I'll definitely provide feedback after each testing.

Cool let me know how things go, I look forward to you feedback

u should consider implementing youALREADYknow's rookie caps on ur roster. just a thought my dude.

Its something i'll definitely look into. Rookies are actually the last priority for this roster. Getting the players that are ALREADY in the game is first priority, both current and classic.

[youALREADYknow]

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Are you creating these rosters for a certain game mode? (Association, Quick Play, My Player, etc)

I'm asking because I'm likely going to have to end up with 2-3 roster files, one for Association, one for Quick Play, and another for My Player.

Just curious how other roster makers are going about this or if they just want to put out a good all-around roster.

[Hyperballer21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

I just don't see it that way, I respect what you do, I just can't agree with giving Lebron anything short of elite athleticism when he sets the precedent for it in today's game. Derozan ain't really much, I don't know, 2k seems to amp things up and I just don't wanna see derozan dunking 10 times a game from newhere and not playing his real game.

I respect your comments, and neither do I want to see DeRozan dunking 10x per game. But DeRozan is one of the best dunkers in the NBA. We use a completely different dunk scale. Lebron is an elite athlete, but he isn't the athlete he was a few years ago. That's just how age works. And the grades also based on 2k's grading scale, not mine. Lets compare the two's athletic ratings;

Lebron - 87 Spd, 70 Str, 82 Vert, 86 Quick, 70 dunk = Average 79
DeMar - 85 Spd, 54 Str, 84 Vert, 76 Quick, 70 dunk = Average 74

LeBron is clearly the superior athletic. Like I said to another poster, once all of the players are finished, then we can compare.

[Hyperballer21]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Are you creating these rosters for a certain game mode? (Association, Quick Play, My Player, etc)

I'm asking because I'm likely going to have to end up with 2-3 roster files, one for Association, one for Quick Play, and another for My Player.

Just curious how other roster makers are going about this or if they just want to put out a good all-around roster.

If its anything like we did last year, this will be for all game modes. Last year, I even made full NBDL update with real names and ratings for MyPlayer. But i don't know how significant the NBDL is in this year's MyPlayer mode.

[iameich]

Re: 2k12 Xbox360 Comprehensive Update (Hyperballer+DC)

Its something i'll definitely look into. Rookies are actually the last priority for this roster. Getting the players that are ALREADY in the game is first priority, both current and classic.

true. makes sense since the lockout is still going on, we should take this time to come up with the best slider/roster sets in time for the NBA season. whenever that is