EXOGENESIS and VTCRB Draft Classes (Xbox 360)

[Matty Aqua]

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Potentials might be low but you also have training camp points to use aswell.

[BigCKU]

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Love that you're a KU fan man. I think McLemore is going to be the star of the 2013 draft along with Noel. Has the best combination of immediate impact, potential, and high ceiling/low floor in the draft along with Shabazz.

The way I do potential works for me because I only like to user control one team.

[teezy26]

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Big, my point as well cant's monitor all 30 teams just to much work

[vtcrb]

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Hey Big, can you give me a idea of the potential rating for the top 10 of each draft. because I see Vtcrb has wiggans potien. @77 and parker @73 and I believe that's to real low.
2013
N.Noel
M.Smart
A.Goodwin
M.Carter-Williams
C.Zeller
J.McAdoo
B.Mclemore
A.Len
o.Potter
2014
A.wiggans
J.parker
J.randle
N.Vonlach
A.Gordon
A.Harrison
A.harrison SG
K.Hill
j.Young

Here is the thing with Potential ANYTHING over a 75 and You have All-Star/Superstar Potentia Over 70 and you have Starter/All Star Potential. By making a bunch of guys to high you will have a TON of players in 80s and 90s in 4 or 5 years.. Feel Free to adjust how you see fit, but the thing is 60-70% of the Highly Rated HS Players that are CANT Miss Prospects Never make it to being an All-Star. Just Recent Guys who were CANt miss guys Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, Josiah Turner, Josh Selby, Enes Kanter havent even come Close to their Hype out of High School. The above Players are Examples of why I DONT give High School Players Unrealistic Potential Rating.

Edit: I just re-read what I typed and just want to make sure you all didnt think I was being Abrasive with my comments. I just wanted to make sure that you all knew why I set Potentials like I did. I encourage all of you to change up whatever you feel needs changing. Thanks again for all of the Feedback.

[teezy26]

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Here is the thing with Potential ANYTHING over a 75 and You have All-Star/Superstar Potentia Over 70 and you have Starter/All Star Potential. By making a bunch of guys to high you will have a TON of players in 80s and 90s in 4 or 5 years.. Feel Free to adjust how you see fit, but the thing is 60-70% of the Highly Rated HS Players that are CANT Miss Prospects Never make it to being an All-Star. Just Recent Guys who were CANt miss guys Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, Josiah Turner, Josh Selby, Enes Kanter havent even come Close to their Hype out of High School. The above Players are Examples of why I DONT give High School Players Unrealistic Potential Rating.

Edit: I just re-read what I typed and just want to make sure you all didnt think I was being Abrasive with my comments. I just wanted to make sure that you all knew why I set Potentials like I did. I encourage all of you to change up whatever you feel needs changing. Thanks again for all of the Feedback.

I get you, but I believe Wiggans and Parker are those two. I never thought either of those guys you mention were allstar talent. These two guys are being compare to can't miss like Lebron nobody else on that level.

[vtcrb]

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I get you, but I believe Wiggans and Parker are those two. I never thought either of those guys you mention were allstar talent. These two guys are being compare to can't miss like Lebron nobody else on that level.

I understand. I just Dont think either of those guys are on LeBron's Level. LeBron is a ONCE in a Generation Player with his Size, Speed, Skill and Strength. Perry Jones was labled the NEXT KG by some while in HS. Selby was considered an AI clone. Neither up to this point have met those expectations. I think Wiggins and Parker will be exposed some in College when they play against Bigger and Stronger Players. But now that you have Downloaded it is YOUR Draft Class. LOL. So you CONTROL the Future of the NBA. HAHA. Hope you enjoy your Association, just dont be cheating and Trading Scrubs for the 1st and 2nd picks to get Wiggins and Parker. LOL

[BigCKU]

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See I've come to the realization that potential doesn't matter based upon the overall number. What matters more is the difference between the potential and the overall of the player. The potential increases depending upon that difference as well. That's why I set the potential at the desired overall for the player and after 4-5 years that player should reach that level. It is then that I decrease the potential to match the overall. After that the overall and potential rarely increases. Maybe every so often their overall will increase by a point or two and I've also seen on rare occasions the overall decrease by a point doing this as well. To me this is the most real way for me to play an association. I rarely get to 10-15 years though so I'm not sure how well it holds up that long into an association.

Also on how many good players come out of a draft. Looking back at the last 7 draft I've realized that on average there are 2-3 players with superstar potential for every 3 drafts. Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin for the 2009-2011 drafts. Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Durant for the 2006-2008 drafts.

Anthony Davis looks to have superstar potential for the 2012 draft with the 2013 draft maybe not having one but the 2014 draft having a couple possible players like Wiggins, Randle, Parker, or Harrison. I don't think any of them except Wiggins as possibly reaching LeBron or Durant's level so I don't set their potential that high but I do set it in the 88-93 range of potential. I actually didn't set anyone except Wiggins at superstar potential for the 2014 draft.

For every 3 drafts I see 2-3 all-star level players with maybe an extra player or two borderline all-star players. I rank them in the 83-88 range of potential. I rank the quality starters but not all-star level in the 78-82 range. Bench players and occasional starters are in the 70-77 range. And benchwarmers are in the 60s.

That's how I've seen looking at past drafts. I set my classes similar to that. I think the 2013 class doesn't have the star power at the top but I think they have a lot of quality contributors on the bench and starters in the draft because they have a lot of good PGs and Centers in the draft. For the 2014 class I feel they have a lot more star power on top but they aren't as deep in the quality starters and and bench contributors as the 2013 class is.

[teezy26]

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See I've come to the realization that potential doesn't matter based upon the overall number. What matters more is the difference between the potential and the overall of the player. The potential increases depending upon that difference as well. That's why I set the potential at the desired overall for the player and after 4-5 years that player should reach that level. It is then that I decrease the potential to match the overall. After that the overall and potential rarely increases. Maybe every so often their overall will increase by a point or two and I've also seen on rare occasions the overall decrease by a point doing this as well. To me this is the most real way for me to play an association. I rarely get to 10-15 years though so I'm not sure how well it holds up that long into an association.

Also on how many good players come out of a draft. Looking back at the last 7 draft I've realized that on average there are 2-3 players with superstar potential for every 3 drafts. Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin for the 2009-2011 drafts. Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Durant for the 2006-2008 drafts.

Anthony Davis looks to have superstar potential for the 2012 draft with the 2013 draft maybe not having one but the 2014 draft having a couple possible players like Wiggins, Randle, Parker, or Harrison. I don't think any of them except Wiggins as possibly reaching LeBron or Durant's level so I don't set their potential that high but I do set it in the 88-93 range of potential. I actually didn't set anyone except Wiggins at superstar potential for the 2014 draft.

For every 3 drafts I see 2-3 all-star level players with maybe an extra player or two borderline all-star players. I rank them in the 83-88 range of potential. I rank the quality starters but not all-star level in the 78-82 range. Bench players and occasional starters are in the 70-77 range. And benchwarmers are in the 60s.

That's how I've seen looking at past drafts. I set my classes similar to that. I think the 2013 class doesn't have the star power at the top but I think they have a lot of quality contributors on the bench and starters in the draft because they have a lot of good PGs and Centers in the draft. For the 2014 class I feel they have a lot more star power on top but they aren't as deep in the quality starters and and bench contributors as the 2013 class is.

BigCku, don't forget me, lol

[vtcrb]

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See I've come to the realization that potential doesn't matter based upon the overall number. What matters more is the difference between the potential and the overall of the player. The potential increases depending upon that difference as well. That's why I set the potential at the desired overall for the player and after 4-5 years that player should reach that level. It is then that I decrease the potential to match the overall. After that the overall and potential rarely increases. Maybe every so often their overall will increase by a point or two and I've also seen on rare occasions the overall decrease by a point doing this as well. To me this is the most real way for me to play an association. I rarely get to 10-15 years though so I'm not sure how well it holds up that long into an association.

Also on how many good players come out of a draft. Looking back at the last 7 draft I've realized that on average there are 2-3 players with superstar potential for every 3 drafts. Kyrie Irving and Blake Griffin for the 2009-2011 drafts. Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, and Kevin Durant for the 2006-2008 drafts.

Anthony Davis looks to have superstar potential for the 2012 draft with the 2013 draft maybe not having one but the 2014 draft having a couple possible players like Wiggins, Randle, Parker, or Harrison. I don't think any of them except Wiggins as possibly reaching LeBron or Durant's level so I don't set their potential that high but I do set it in the 88-93 range of potential. I actually didn't set anyone except Wiggins at superstar potential for the 2014 draft.

For every 3 drafts I see 2-3 all-star level players with maybe an extra player or two borderline all-star players. I rank them in the 83-88 range of potential. I rank the quality starters but not all-star level in the 78-82 range. Bench players and occasional starters are in the 70-77 range. And benchwarmers are in the 60s.

That's how I've seen looking at past drafts. I set my classes similar to that. I think the 2013 class doesn't have the star power at the top but I think they have a lot of quality contributors on the bench and starters in the draft because they have a lot of good PGs and Centers in the draft. For the 2014 class I feel they have a lot more star power on top but they aren't as deep in the quality starters and and bench contributors as the 2013 class is.

Yeah I do Potentials for LONG Term Association, because if too many players get High Rankings Free Agency Becomes a MAJOR mess in about 5 years, because everyone wants Max Deals. Now I do Control ALL 30 teams so if I see someone Progressing/Regressing too fast then i adjust accordingly. The problem is Association is Broke, so to make things work Properly for Me I have to Control all the teams. It can be a headache during off-season but it is ONLY way I have found to keep CPU from making CRAZY Draft Picks/Free Agent Signings. Anyway you seem to have a system that works for you stick with it.

I have Updated the 2015 Draft Class List. Let me know what you think of it. I am removing Alex Murphy from Duke, just weighing Options on who to add.

[CWSapp757]

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And the sad thing vtcrb is that it has been like this for years. I don't know how many of you have simulated five or years in but that is usually how far I go before I even start playing games. You run in to teams that have like three players with 90+ overalls at the same position. If you plan on going any further than four or five years, lowering potentials across the board is an absolute necessity. But just like you said, if you are not willing to control all thirty teams, it is not even worth bothering with Association mode at all unfortunately.

[BigCKU]

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Yeah I do Potentials for LONG Term Association, because if too many players get High Rankings Free Agency Becomes a MAJOR mess in about 5 years, because everyone wants Max Deals. Now I do Control ALL 30 teams so if I see someone Progressing/Regressing too fast then i adjust accordingly. The problem is Association is Broke, so to make things work Properly for Me I have to Control all the teams. It can be a headache during off-season but it is ONLY way I have found to keep CPU from making CRAZY Draft Picks/Free Agent Signings. Anyway you seem to have a system that works for you stick with it.

I have Updated the 2015 Draft Class List. Let me know what you think of it. I am removing Alex Murphy from Duke, just weighing Options on who to add.

I think sometime in the next couple days I'm gonna test how much a player improves over 10 years with their overall and potential at the same level. That's more important to me overall than where their potential from the beginning is.

[mwd333]

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Whats up dude, much appreciated for all the hard work, im sure that it is time consuming, any estimated time on when draft class 2015 will be released on 2k share.

[navyman18]

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I have Updated the 2015 Draft Class List. Let me know what you think of it. I am removing Alex Murphy from Duke, just weighing Options on who to add.[/quote]

I am a biased fan, but i think JP Tokoto from UNC will be a good player for the 2015 class. He will never be a star, but he could develop into a great role player/starter.

Pros: Most athletic to come out of UNC probaly since Vince Carter, Plays with a high motor. Plays great defense, and rebounds well.

Cons:Lack of a jump shot, Young basketball IQ.

nbadraft.net/players/jp-tokoto

Heres a link for his draft stock, along with video. ( i would type the full web link address but OSF isnt allowing me too.

[vtcrb]

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I think sometime in the next couple days I'm gonna test how much a player improves over 10 years with their overall and potential at the same level. That's more important to me overall than where their potential from the beginning is.

Ok. I myself dont go by Overall Ratings because if you try to get to a certain Overall Number you have to sacrifice a Players true ability by either Increasing or Decreasing certain Attributes to make a player hit that number. I look forward to hearing your results.

[vtcrb]

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I have Updated the 2015 Draft Class List. Let me know what you think of it. I am removing Alex Murphy from Duke, just weighing Options on who to add.

I am a biased fan, but i think JP Tokoto from UNC will be a good player for the 2015 class. He will never be a star, but he could develop into a great role player/starter.

Pros: Most athletic to come out of UNC probaly since Vince Carter, Plays with a high motor. Plays great defense, and rebounds well.

Cons:Lack of a jump shot, Young basketball IQ.

nbadraft.net/players/jp-tokoto

Heres a link for his draft stock, along with video. ( i would type the full web link address but OSF isnt allowing me too.[/quote]



I had looked at him but so far to me he hasnt showed enough of an offensive game. Something that UNC sorely needs this year. LOL.