The Game Changers NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 360

[redsox4evur]

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I also really hate 2K's trade logic during the draft. The Bucks had the #2 pick and took Ray Ray Francis. And then traded his rights for the #3 pick and a second round pick. And they chose Tremaine Alexander. And ironically Ramon Rivers went to Cavs at 5. And then his rights and the 3rd pick in the 2nd round this year. got traded to the Raptors for the #8

[Dreece]

Re: The Game Changers NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 3

I also really hate 2K's trade logic during the draft. The Bucks had the #2 pick and took Ray Ray Francis. And then traded his rights for the #3 pick and a second round pick. And they chose Tremaine Alexander. And ironically Ramon Rivers went to Cavs at 5. And then his rights and the 3rd pick in the 2nd round this year. got traded to the Raptors for the #8

See that's just stupidity. Don't expect 2k to fix anything draft/association related because it don't register on their "to-do" list. The Park, my player, a bunch of BS modes like that Lebron Path to greatness, etc...

Guys save yourself some time and show some patience to go the 30 team route. There's a pretty good experience available but you have to control everything to make it work. You already spent $65 you might as well max out your investment.

[redsox4evur]

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See that's just stupidity. Don't expect 2k to fix anything draft/association related because it don't register on their "to-do" list. The Park, my player, a bunch of BS modes like that Lebron Path to greatness, etc...

Guys save yourself some time and show some patience to go the 30 team route. There's a pretty good experience available but you have to control everything to make it work. You already spent $65 you might as well max out your investment.

I was talking to Blindside about this aspect of the game one night. And like I told him I see this happen in other games as well. I am just using this as an example because it is the only one that comes to my mind right now. But MLB the Show's trade logic is horrendous as well and that community has bitched about it for the last 2 seasons. Like for example I have seen a top 10 prospect get traded for a middle reliever that could be had for a Low A prospect, which equates to a Fab Melo type player or Mr Irrelevant. And surprisingly the draft logic was not that bad. I mean when I picked in the 2nd round at number 2, there were 2 mid 1st rounders available but I can see something like that or rationalize it because I can see it happen in the real draft. But for the most part the draft was fine minus those couple of stupid trades that occurred. But I am going to play devil's advocate with you guys. I can see those trades happening because of the way the NBA draft and trades work. Where the team who has the pick. To use an example, Cleveland at 5. Cleveland has 5 and Toronto has 8 and really wants Ramon Rivers because they lost Kyle Lowry last offseason. So in the real NBA draft Cleveland would announce the pick of Ramon Rivers and then when Toronto came up to pick at 8 the commissioner would announce that the pick has been traded and announce what the trade is and now Cleveland is back on the clock and selects their player and the draft moves on. But I can't use this argument with the Bucks and Ray Ray because they selected a player of the same position in Alexander.

[Dreece]

Re: NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 360

I understand why they make trade finder and stuff like that for the casual fan. It would piss off the casual fan if the couldn't get the top pick when they wanted or was able to unload some garbage players..I get that. But put a slider in for drafting/cpu aggression signing logic like NCAA did with recruiting.

Way to easy to sign players like Lebron to places like Orlando or Phoenix. And seeing guys in our classes drop in the draft for no good reason is even more sickening.

I'm done on my 2k rant lol. I'm a 30 team guy..haven't had balance problems at all so far.


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I used to try to make sense of the draft but its useless. And we need better team management by the CPU. Ray Ray and Ian McNeal can play at the same time if the cpu made realistic adjustments. In instances where it makes no sense to have a player backing up an All star in the making like Ray Ray I would switch the other players position. McNeal is the starting PF for the Lakers in my Association.

[redsox4evur]

Re: NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 360

I understand why they make trade finder and stuff like that for the casual fan. It would piss off the casual fan if the couldn't get the top pick when they wanted or was able to unload some garbage players..I get that. But put a slider in for drafting/cpu aggression signing logic like NCAA did with recruiting.

Way to easy to sign players like Lebron to places like Orlando or Phoenix. And seeing guys in our classes drop in the draft for no good reason is even more sickening.

I'm done on my 2k rant lol. I'm a 30 team guy..haven't had balance problems at all so far.

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I used to try to make sense of the draft but its useless. And we need better team management by the CPU. Ray Ray and Ian McNeal can play at the same time if the cpu made realistic adjustments. In instances where it makes no sense to have a player backing up an All star in the making like Ray Ray I would switch the other players position. McNeal is the starting PF for the Lakers in my Association.

Yea I understand and that would piss me off too, and that I actually had to do some cap maneuverability in order to try to sign Carmelo last offseason but I couldn't get it done. But yea I also blame the player signing on what you are limited to do in the offseason, which is only sign and release players, except for at the draft. But like most GMs and analysts have pointed out this offseason most big trades get completed after the draft. Look at the Dwight Howard trade 2 offseasons ago and Kevin Love if it happens this offseason. It is one thing on the long list of things that 2K has to fix.

Edit: I just did the same thing in one of my franchises. It was where I am playing the Knicks and they had 3 highly rated SFs. They had Turner, Martavius Elliott, and DeMarcus Houston. So what I did was moved Elliot from SF to a PF because I saw that he was listed as a SF/PF combo.

[Dreece]

Re: NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 360

Yea I understand and that would piss me off too, and that I actually had to do some cap maneuverability in order to try to sign Carmelo last offseason but I couldn't get it done. But yea I also blame the player signing on what you are limited to do in the offseason, which is only sign and release players, except for at the draft. But like most GMs and analysts have pointed out this offseason most big trades get completed after the draft. Look at the Dwight Howard trade 2 offseasons ago and Kevin Love if it happens this offseason. It is one thing on the long list of things that 2K has to fix.

Edit: I just did the same thing in one of my franchises. It was where I am playing the Knicks and they had 3 highly rated SFs. They had Turner, Martavius Elliott, and DeMarcus Houston. So what I did was moved Elliot from SF to a PF because I saw that he was listed as a SF/PF combo.

But you see those 3 SF should've never been drafted to the same team in the 1st place. All 3 of them was either the #1 or #2 SF in their respective classes. I can't take part in a jacked up association!

[redsox4evur]

Re: NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 360

But you see those 3 SF should've never been drafted to the same team in the 1st place. All 3 of them was either the #1 or #2 SF in their respective classes. I can't take part in a jacked up association!

Yea I know that and once again it does suck. And something similar actually happened in my last draft where the Clippers missed the playoffs and had the 11th pick and selected Bishop. So I am going to move to center to back up Jordan. But still it sucks!!! And this is ranting/debating is making me start another association. And I am going to try and keep patient during the draft. But how should I go about drafting. Should I try to fill needs or take best player available for teams? To be honest drafting is kind of the only reason as to why I haven't done 30 team associations. Like I tried to do one, using the league and I was going to be the Bobcats but doing the draft felt like it took too much time for me. So using the Sim World roster how should I go about drafting, like should I use your house rules that you use for the League?

[CWSapp757]

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Redsox... you should be on the podcast with us when we talk about the 2k Association mode and what needs to be done to fix it.

[CWSapp757]

Re: The Game Changers NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 3

When me, Dreece and blindside go on about it we can go for hours.... literally smh.

[redsox4evur]

Re: The Game Changers NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 3

Redsox... you should be on the podcast with us when we talk about the 2k Association mode and what needs to be done to fix it.

I'll just give you my thoughts right now... why wait. Just started using 30 team control, and I set it up so the only thing I do for the cpu teams are draft. I want to be able to see what the others GMs want for a player. They need to give the cpu GMs more IQ. Like the Spurs SHOULDN'T be signing Luol Deng in FA. I gave my rants about draft logic and draft day trades. And we should be able to trade starting after we have been given a chance to resign our FA's. I want the option to amnesty players as well. One thing that happened in this association that I ACTUALLY LIKED was Lebron going to the Lakers. This was the first time I have actually seen him with a team that has won a championship in the 2000s. And I forced Melo to resign with the Knicks and let him run NY. And also I want the option to deselect the games I don't want to play in an association. Like if I am choosing to control the Mavs I want to be able to have the option to not have to click to simulate every game before mine on a certain night. And finally a choice to have players who have retired to become coaches, and also have real FA coaches in the first season like a Mark Jackson, for 2k14 a Phil Jackson. Maybe even a George Karl.

[UKWildcat999]

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I'll just give you my thoughts right now... why wait. Just started using 30 team control, and I set it up so the only thing I do for the cpu teams are draft. I want to be able to see what the others GMs want for a player. They need to give the cpu GMs more IQ. Like the Spurs SHOULDN'T be signing Luol Deng in FA. I gave my rants about draft logic and draft day trades. And we should be able to trade starting after we have been given a chance to resign our FA's. I want the option to amnesty players as well. One thing that happened in this association that I ACTUALLY LIKED was Lebron going to the Lakers. This was the first time I have actually seen him with a team that has won a championship in the 2000s. And I forced Melo to resign with the Knicks and let him run NY. And also I want the option to deselect the games I don't want to play in an association. Like if I am choosing to control the Mavs I want to be able to have the option to not have to click to simulate every game before mine on a certain night.

Honestly, the fact we have to do 30 team control for actual realism shows 2k isn't doing their job.

[Dreece]

Re: NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 360

Exactly! 2k refuses to do anything to association mode. As I read from some of their past comments they don't see what the big problem is!? Yea ok 2k keep on thinking that!

And with the 30 team simulating thing just switch the calendar to your team and put the cursor on the day b4 the game you wanna play and hit simulate all. Take the extra time to set up what you need so you can enjoy the season. My experiences since I started 30 teams has been awesome! Even the so called weak team have some good players because I didn't give them the shaft in the draft.

To heck with association on 2k15 for AWHILE. I'll keep these 30 proposed classes and our LEAGUE roster and enjoy me some realistic basketball.

[redsox4evur]

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To heck with association on 2k15 for AWHILE. I'll keep these 30 proposed classes and our LEAGUE roster and enjoy me some realistic basketball.

I'm thinking the exact same thing, I think I might wait until SimWorld is finished and you guys have released that 6 or 7 classes before I even start playing association. Because if I use all 30 teams for like 45 years or so. that will give like 1350 years of play. and it will much longer if I use SimWorld as my roster. And in my draft I think I leaned a little too much towards drafting for need as I had some mid 1sts left at the beginning of the second round. One was Kjellson and I forget the others but once I noticed that they were still there.

[yoshistabber]

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I swear if 2k15 replaces association with mygm for all systems I'm staying on 2k14. God save the 30 team control associations

[BigT34]

Re: The Game Changers NBA 2K14 Fictional Draft Classes by CWSapp757/Dreece for XBOX 3

The thing that's frustrating is that the improvements needed for association mode are so much simpler to implement than so many of the new features 2k adds. They're trying to model emotions and emotional intelligence, for crying out loud. Fixing the sim engine and the draft class generator is a piece of cake by comparison.

If the guys who make OOTP baseball can create such a beautiful simulation engine working as basically a two-man team, there's no reason 2k can't make this series the ultimate basketball simulator. It's just a matter of priorities and resource allocation.