The Purist(s) NBA 2K11 Sliders (Post-Patch)

[greenieblue]

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don't make us a nervous breakdown greenieblue

Me have one? I do, daily.

You have one? You should, daily.

[greenieblue]

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Look, I can relate with Tommy. I had a game before I left the house this morning that made me want to quit halfway through. The turnovers, especially, can be particularly frustrating. But it is stated that this is a known issue on the first page. Fouls were literally driving me crazy this morning. I felt like Tim Donaghy was the ref. So, I get it.

I think there are some people who want sim, until they get it. Then, what it turns out they actually wanted was a realistic-feeling win. But they want to define "realistic" and "feeling", they want to ignore whatever statistics or NBA realities they choose, they want the game to police them, they don't want to learn the game, they don't want to work, they want results to mirror real life results no matter their skill level or how they play the game, etc. Or they think that every game should look the same, that all numbers should be equal forever, etc. This is why I kept saying "I hope they end up being what you want". That wasn't hyperbole, self-deprecation, etc. I meant it. Again, I don't know Tommy or you (in the general sense), his or your story, so I don't know that that is him or you. And, again, I can relate and understand his complaint. I can also evaluate and dismiss an invalid complaint (his FG% complaint).

He could have worded it better. But who am I to say that? Give aggressive, get aggressive. And, I'm good with that. Unless you aren't. In which case you should be assertive or passive.

I worked on these a while, said that I would release them within a week after the patch, did not. Then I said I would release them Monday, did not. And I did give in to pressure last night and released a set of sliders with known issues. But these known issues are explicitly indicated before you even scroll down to the sliders. I have played 2 games with these sliders, so how can anyone expect me to have a complete, fully-functional, perfect set? I'm not asking anyone to test anything for me. But when you do test, and are informed of known issues why are you surprised to see the known issues? If you test drive a car that has no brakes, and are told this, why are you surprised when the car has no brakes? What others did was up Pass Acc. Solved. It may not be the way I address it, but I'm not here to hand down slider settings from the clouds. These are suggestions. And, through your feedback, I am closer to solving these known issues than I would have been otherwise. So, thanks.

What I have looked for past years in this forum was a valid base. I think that is what most people are looking for. I think these are that. Slider tuning is not hard at all. Input these settings, change what you hate and play the game. If you need help identifying what sliders do what, I'll do the best I can to help you. I think I have before and will continue to do so. But, I know nothing more about these sliders (and usually less) than anyone who has ever opened the screen and adjusted.

I also don't put a ton of weight in the stats through 5 games. However, I find it impressive that 5 different people, with 5 different game styles, with 5 different teams, with 5 different skill levels, with 5 different opponents, etc. can brush up against NBA averages so closely. Is it possible that the game will make this so no matter what slider settings you use? Very. Will they soon fall off a cliff? Yes. But, my point here is to evaluate these sliders right now and not run numbers for every possible scenario under the sun. I'm also not excluding anyone who posts complete stats. When I get home tonight, I will input mine for the game before I left this morning.

Anyway, after 5 games it's hard to conclude but it does look like TO's are an issue. I will address this soon. I think my first step will be to raise reach-in fouls to 100, and hopefully kill two birds. But I would like more stats to come in first. I will provide those stats if necessary, but I can only play 1-2 games a day. So, time will polish the set.

[lv2bll]

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Thanks for all your hard work on getting these sliders out!!!

My total game, 1st half, and 2nd half stats
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My first half was very easy. My clipper team is strong and should beat many teams but in the first half destryed portland in every way possible. the second half was more of a typical half for the nba.

The full game stats look good(shots, free throws, 3pt percentages, assists)

but some looked bad(steals, blocks, turnovers, rebounds)

then again this is only a one game sample so it doesn't hold as much weight as normal.
I think for the next game i need to raise pass acc and lower blocking and shooting(1 pt ea.)
I may try all star as well.

Last but not least the tendencies are perfect

[greenieblue]

Re: The Purist(s) NBA 2K11 Sliders (Post-Patch)

Thanks for all your hard work on getting these sliders out!!!



My total game, 1st half, and 2nd half stats

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My first half was very easy. My clipper team is strong and should beat many teams but in the first half destryed portland in every way possible. the second half was more of a typical half for the nba.

The full game stats look good(shots, free throws, 3pt percentages, assists)

but some looked bad(steals, blocks, turnovers, rebounds)

then again this is only a one game sample so it doesn't hold as much weight as normal.
I think for the next game i need to raise pass acc and lower blocking and shooting(1 pt ea.)
I may try all star as well.

Last but not least the tendencies are perfect

Thank you, Lv. That is actually what I'm most proud of.

I'm plugging them in the sheet now.

[KG#5beantown]

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so I had 2 games with these...I really looked forward to them...

1st game lakers @ clippers: when I run plays I hit almost every shot...I was 8/10 3s at one time, also I had 13 blocked shots...game rythm was not as great as expected...

2nd game nuggets @ celtics: again I went 65% til the break...got one offensive rebound...and 3 pointers also felt too easy...everytime I got a nearly open shot it went in...also for mid range...cpu (melo) hit every shot it seems...if contested or not...

both games went 110+ for every team...and I really ran a set up offense...almost every quarter I played a team got at least 30...

game felt different...seems like the control of the players got a little lost...don't know how to describe it...

injuries are way too high...in the first game 3 players of the clippers got injured...(gordon, bledsoe, davis...)

honest feedback greenie...don't take it the wrong way...just want to give you something with which you can work...

[greenieblue]

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Average of the 6 games posted (09-10 NBA season avg. beside them in parentheses) with complete stats (I forgot to post Team Fouls for my opponent, so there is that):

Rounding to the nearest whole number

Points- 99 (100)
OffEff- 100 (105)
DefEff- same
FGM- 38 (38)
FGA- 82 (81)
FG%- 46% (46%)
eFG%- 51% (50%)
TS%- 54% (54%)
3pt Made- 7 (6)
3pt Attempts- 17 (18)
FTM- 17 (19)
FTA- 23 (25)
Free Throw Rate- 29% (30%)
Assists- 21 (21)
Assist Rate- 19 (20)
Turnovers- 19 (13)
Offensive Rebounds- 6 (11)
Offensive Rebound Rate- 15 (26)
Defensive Rebounds- 34 (31)
Defensive Rebound Rate- 85 (74)
Total Rebounds- 41 (42)
Total Rebound Rate- 50 (50)
Blocks- 6 (5)
Block Rate- 6 (5)
Steals- 12 (7)
Defensive Play Rate- 20 (15)
Points in the Paint- 35 (42)
Team Fouls- 17 (21)
Possessions- 100 (95)


I'll wait until 10 games for next numbers post.

[greenieblue]

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so I had 2 games with these...I really looked forward to them...

1st game lakers @ clippers: when I run plays I hit almost every shot...I was 8/10 3s at one time, also I had 13 blocked shots...game rythm was not as great as expected...

2nd game nuggets @ celtics: again I went 65% til the break...got one offensive rebound...and 3 pointers also felt too easy...everytime I got a nearly open shot it went in...also for mid range...cpu (melo) hit every shot it seems...if contested or not...

both games went 110+ for every team...and I really ran a set up offense...almost every quarter I played a team got at least 30...

game felt different...seems like the control of the players got a little lost...don't know how to describe it...

injuries are way too high...in the first game 3 players of the clippers got injured...(gordon, bledsoe, davis...)

honest feedback greenie...don't take it the wrong way...just want to give you something with which you can work...

Lol. I appreciate it. Stats would be a little more helpful. But, impressions are good.

Sorry they aren't working out for you.

[lv2bll]

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ohh and greenie, i had to change fatigue to 45 because my two superstars(20 and 23 yo) were VERY tired 6 minutes in the game. It might be an isolated event but just wanted to let you know

[tommykarma]

chill man simply it's not a good set for me no problem , you talked about simulation... with your sliders rondo(cpu) has 9 t.o. in the 1st quarter , I tought to advise you that's all.
yes i'm little frustrated because after 2 months there 's not a slider set for real stas in associatione mode and i can't enjoy the game but you're not the guilty - respect for your work and sorry for my english peace !

[greenieblue]

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ohh and greenie, i had to change fatigue to 45 because my two superstars(20 and 23 yo) were VERY tired 6 minutes in the game. It might be an isolated event but just wanted to let you know

I actually do prefer it this way. I'm seeing my guys get near 50 sometimes and I like that. But one click up or a few do help. They do seem to recover quite well at the current settings.

[greenieblue]

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chill man simply it's not a good set for me no problem , you talked about simulation... with your sliders rondo(cpu) has 9 t.o. in the 1st quarter , I tought to advise you that's all.
yes i'm little frustrated because after 2 months there 's not a slider set for real stas in associatione mode and i can't enjoy the game but you're not the guilty - respect for your work and sorry for my english peace !

I'm sorry you are having this experience.

I disagree with your opinion.

[ewing6]

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Had to play the Bulls again because for some reason the last one didn't show up on my calender. I won an **** game 95-94 with Noah missing a buzzer beating jumper. Amare had 33 and big buckets in 4th, Gallo had 16, and Beabouis had 10 and 16 assits.

36-80 from field 7-24 from 3, 16-20 from line, 4 offensive broads, and 22 turnovers for me

32-89 from field 4-13 from 3 26-32 from the line and 6 offensive broads for them.

Those are notable stats, I would have posted the whole thing like always but my bro quit the game before I could

[greenieblue]

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Had to play the Bulls again because for some reason the last one didn't show up on my calender. I won an **** game 95-94 with Noah missing a buzzer beating jumper. Amare had 33 and big buckets in 4th, Gallo had 16, and Beabouis had 10 and 16 assits.

36-80 from field 7-24 from 3, 16-20 from line, 4 offensive broads, and 22 turnovers for me

32-89 from field 4-13 from 3 26-32 from the line and 6 offensive broads for them.

Those are notable stats, I would have posted the whole thing like always but my bro quit the game before I could

Thanks again, Ewing. Are you enjoying the set?

When I get home tonight I'm going to mess around with the set and figure out the best way to approach the steal/turnover issue. I think coming at it from the steal angle at first is best. Because they are clearly too high. Where it gets slightly complicated is that blocks are occasionally counted as steals.

I'm quite happy that these sliders are producing so many losses and close games. Especially since Clutch is off.

BTW: I got destroyed in both my games since the set. Lol.

[lv2bll]

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My 2nd game:
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Again im on fire in the first half and cool off in the second. I changed around the pass acc and passing lanes sliders a lil bit to cut down on TO's. Blocking shots(jumpers) has no balance(2k prob) and it forces you to either block the shot or give up an uncontested jumper which almost always goes in.

I was also on fire throughout the game from 3. Bledsoe, Gordon, and Blatche(edited his stats and idc what anyone thinks ) were the main spot up guys. Fouls look a little low but FT's look ok. On the court the players played like they should so that is good(again, your tendencies are awesome).

Carmelo dropped 44 pts and 11 boards, Blatche added 22 and 7 boards. My created 99(always have myself in associations and become kobe/nash/rodman/artest on the court) dropped 42 pts, 17 rebounds, 17 assists, 3 blocks and 4 steals. These sliders are a couple of tweaks away from being truly genius.

If you need me to test anything hit me up with a pm

[d4rk1ghtcrawler]

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Dude after looking at the stats you posted and how close they are to NBA numbers, anyone who bashes these sliders are dumb as hell.

I will try these sliders in a few minutes and post stats.