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  • BUCKSWEATSHIRT
    Rookie
    • Nov 2012
    • 434

    #856
    Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

    Does anybody know if sliders affect simulation, because Bill Russell actually got 20 boards!
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCms...P-hmPWObbxO_Yg

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    • G0DZGiFT
      MVP
      • Feb 2007
      • 1741

      #857
      Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

      My game.... And idk why the picture is upside down
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      • EccentricMeat
        MVP
        • Aug 2011
        • 3242

        #858
        Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

        Originally posted by archanax
        EccentricMeat !!! Very good job for your sliders with the OS Sim collab rosters !!!

        Besides, with PJT05, what do you suggest? the same sliders than for OS Sim Collab or the other sliders?

        and in your opinion, which one do you really prefer or use?

        thanks for your reply
        With ANY roster that is not the OS SiM Collab, I recommend my other slider set.

        Overall, I definitely prefer my OS SiM Collab sliders because they're my most up-to-date and in-depth slider set ever. Add on to that the fact that the OS SiM Collab roster is FAR superior to the 2k Default rosters (which my old slider set used to be based on), and it's a no contest.

        The updates I posted for the other slider set were simply things I found while testing the OSSC sliders that would carry over to other rosters. I will most likely start working on a PJT slider set sometime next week, but for now the other slider set should do just fine.

        Originally posted by BUCKSWEATSHIRT
        Does anybody know if sliders affect simulation, because Bill Russell actually got 20 boards!
        It has been debated over and over, but the general consensus is that sliders do NOT affect sim stats.

        Originally posted by G0DZGiFT
        My game.... And idk why the picture is upside down
        Those stats look fantastic, it just seems like you couldn't stop the Heat on the Fastbreak (and likely their dribble penetration as well). Simply increase the USER On-Ball Defense, Defensive Awareness, and/or your Controller Settings "Defensive Assist" value by a few clicks. It will definitely help you out until you adjust to the increased challenge from the AI.

        Oh, and the Heat are just a royal pain with these sliders and this roster. Other teams usually offer a varied experience (some games the offense can't get going, some games the defense is lacking, etc.), whereas the Heat are ALWAYS on top of their game. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you're playing an NBA Today game set in the playoffs? Try playing as a different team and see if you get the same challenge.
        Last edited by EccentricMeat; 06-01-2013, 12:52 AM.
        My Slider Threads
        NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" Realistic Slider Set
        The "Movement" Sliders Explained
        The "Defense" Sliders Explained

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        • killingyouguy
          Rookie
          • Oct 2011
          • 40

          #859
          Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

          I like the new sliders. It's a challenge and the games are often close. You blowout who you should, etc. But it often feels unnaturally close. This, I think, has more to do with the roster than your sliders. For example, Rose doesn't play like Rose. Or Kobe like Kobe. Or Westbrook like Westbrook. I think this is due to changes made in the roster. For example, Rose has 90+ in Simple Drive and mostly 1's and 0's in the rest of his dribble tendencies. So this means he drives directly into the D (and often gets stripped, rarely gets to the rim). His shot variety is also low and so he just pops a shot off with a guy right in his face.

          That was something I liked about the TakeThat2k roster was that the stars played in their own styles. They felt like them. The collab one doesn't. It's like they all become generic PG's, SG's, etc. that look like individual NBA players.

          What I did was go back and get the tendencies from TakeThat2k's roster and adjust the Collab tendencies (for players who didn't feel like themselves) somewhere in between the two rosters. And this worked. And it didn't seem to effect the closeness of matches. I played a game against the Pacers and their D and rebounding was incredible. But Kobe was going off (just like Kobe) and Rose kept getting to the rim and it was enough to get a 4 point win.

          Andrew Bynum was another player who felt off. Noah got 20+ pts and 20+ rebounds on him and Bynum only had like 8 (mostly from the FT line). I'll have to adjust him. I adjusted Westbrook but haven't played him again.

          Oh, another thing I noticed was great post players get instantly double-teamed in the paint. For example, Boozer is instantly double-teamed and is only averaging 12 pts and has often scored only a couple baskets a game. As soon as he's double-teamed he passes it. It could be that Jimmy Butler is my SG and the D just don't respect his shooting so feel free to leave him. But they've also done it sometimes with Hinrich at the 2. Hmm.

          Also, collisions moving around the court (to set a screen or just take position to start a play) are a constant with these sliders and a pain in the ***. It's also makes it almost impossible to cut as the D never falls for it. I've also never been able to, as someone like Butler or Hinrich, take a C/PF off the dribble. Their D is always superb and make me pull up my dribble. I think, when you first posted your collab sliders, movement was a bit freer and you felt like if you did the right thing, or had a miss match, you could profit. Now it feels like picks & fastbreaks.

          The stealing and contest shots are great now, tho. They feel just right. Except layups. Rose rarely gets 'and ones' anymore. And if you're not the best at layups, forget about it. Maybe that needs a tweak?

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          • chino22
            Rookie
            • Jul 2008
            • 456

            #860
            Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

            I played a game with the 4.2 sliders using a historic roster. I had the 85 Sixers against the 87 Sonics. My team was rated about 12 points higher and I won by about 15 points. That felt right to me. A lot of slider sets seek to make the game competitive at any cost no matter what the matchup is. This set felt like it was playing out realistically. I am going to play a game with evenly matched teams and see how that feels...
            Originally posted by Da_Czar
            Don't play video games, play basketball.

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            • jgsiegel
              Rookie
              • May 2013
              • 44

              #861
              Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

              Using the old slider set with PJT's roster and was playing Spurs-Warriors. I dribbled up with Manu, got to the three point line, and the defender is playing five feet off me! I was able to just run to the line and pop threes all day. What should I change to make it so they play tighter D on the perimeter?

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              • KiddMoss
                Rookie
                • Aug 2011
                • 4

                #862
                Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                Eccentric, what about a slider set for Rondo's roster ?

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                • killingyouguy
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 40

                  #863
                  Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                  Originally posted by KiddMoss
                  Eccentric, what about a slider set for Rondo's roster ?
                  That'd be sweet!

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                  • EccentricMeat
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2011
                    • 3242

                    #864
                    Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                    Originally posted by killingyouguy
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                    Interesting... I never knew that! Care to maybe talk to the guys at the OS SiM Collab about your findings/solutions with stars playing like themselves? I'm sure if you word it correctly, they'd be more than interested in listening to what you have to say!

                    As for the "instand-double team" in the post, I've noticed this too. It either has to do with the Coach Profiles, or the "Help Defense" Defense slider. Try setting that to 95 or 90 and see if the D lets you work more in the post before bringing a double team.

                    And finally, the "and-ones" are another issue I'm still looking into. As I stated a while back, the update I posted is NOT my final version of these sliders, but rather a filler-version so that I didn't leave the community in the dark for too long.

                    And-ones are very tricky, because if you set Contact Shot Success too high, every shot in the paint goes in and you get too many and-ones. But if you even go down 1 or 2 clicks, then NO shots go in. I'm trying to find the perfect balance here, but it is very tricky.

                    Originally posted by jgsiegel
                    Using the old slider set with PJT's roster and was playing Spurs-Warriors. I dribbled up with Manu, got to the three point line, and the defender is playing five feet off me! I was able to just run to the line and pop threes all day. What should I change to make it so they play tighter D on the perimeter?
                    Yeah, I'm not sure if I updated that aspect of my old slider set yet. But basically, the fix is to set On Ball Defense and/or Defensive Awareness up near 70-75 (you could also try mirroring those values from the OS SiM Collab sliders). The problem with that is, it tends to make driving the lane a little too difficult. Just experiment with those two sliders until you find what you're looking for.

                    Originally posted by KiddMoss
                    Eccentric, what about a slider set for Rondo's roster ?
                    I think I heard that my old sliders (which I will be adapting to focus around PJT's roster) are compatible with his roster, so once that comes out you should be good to go!
                    My Slider Threads
                    NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" Realistic Slider Set
                    The "Movement" Sliders Explained
                    The "Defense" Sliders Explained

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                    • Sundown
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 3270

                      #865
                      Originally posted by jgsiegel
                      Using the old slider set with PJT's roster and was playing Spurs-Warriors. I dribbled up with Manu, got to the three point line, and the defender is playing five feet off me! I was able to just run to the line and pop threes all day. What should I change to make it so they play tighter D on the perimeter?
                      This has been my problem as well. I can destroy with Steph Curry, especially after giving him a realistic quick release.

                      I've been playing around with on ball defense at 65 and defense awareness at 85. It does kill a lot of the fluidity of the penetration game but maybe it's not that unrealistic. The game doesn't seem to give you as much of an advantage driving when the D plays tight though. In fact it seems worse at times. There should be separate sliders for how well the CPU contests or plays tight as well as how well the CPU defends and reacts to drives. They shouldn't be linked as one slider.

                      What should happen is the AI adjusting to play extremely tight on Steph at all times, even off ball. In fact, it should just do that from the start given his high 3pt, off the dribble ability, lack of speed, and high 3 pt tendency. I don't think the CPU knows how to adjust for individual players apart from after they heat up and throwing double teams at them. It then let's off them after awhile and you can resume shooting the lights out again. It also doesn't cross match defenders and put a better/longer defender on your star if it makes sense like Curry saw throughout not the Spurs and Nuggets series.

                      Maybe I also need to lower help defense so defenders don't sag on him off ball?
                      Last edited by Sundown; 06-02-2013, 04:10 AM.

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                      • killingyouguy
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 40

                        #866
                        Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                        With tendencies, when you say 'values for CPU only unless two listed'. Are those two still User/CPU or has it switched to CPU/User. For example, playing the passing lanes on your 'other roster' sliders. Is 90 CPU / 50 User, or vice-versa?

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                        • jgsiegel
                          Rookie
                          • May 2013
                          • 44

                          #867
                          Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                          Hopped into a game with OBD at 65 and DefAwareness at 75, and that seemed to work pretty well. I may bump it another few clicks after I play a few more games.

                          Originally posted by Sundown
                          This has been my problem as well. I can destroy with Steph Curry, especially after giving him a realistic quick release.
                          What release would you recommend for Curry? I just left him with the default one, but now that you mention it, it does come off slower than his in real life.

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                          • EccentricMeat
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 3242

                            #868
                            Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                            Originally posted by killingyouguy
                            With tendencies, when you say 'values for CPU only unless two listed'. Are those two still User/CPU or has it switched to CPU/User. For example, playing the passing lanes on your 'other roster' sliders. Is 90 CPU / 50 User, or vice-versa?
                            It's still User/CPU, so 90 User/50 CPU.
                            My Slider Threads
                            NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" Realistic Slider Set
                            The "Movement" Sliders Explained
                            The "Defense" Sliders Explained

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                            • G0DZGiFT
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 1741

                              #869
                              Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                              I haven't seen Bosh shoot a 3 yet !

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                              • EccentricMeat
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 3242

                                #870
                                Re: NBA 2k13 "The Eccentric Edition" - All-Star Slider Set

                                Originally posted by G0DZGiFT
                                I haven't seen Bosh shoot a 3 yet !
                                That's most likely due to Lebron and Wade's plays not putting Bosh out on the perimeter. You'd probably have to edit Bosh's tendencies AND the Heat playbook in order to get him to shoot 3s.
                                My Slider Threads
                                NBA 2K25 "The Eccentric Edition" Realistic Slider Set
                                The "Movement" Sliders Explained
                                The "Defense" Sliders Explained

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