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  • ActionJack
    Pro
    • Mar 2014
    • 586

    #271
    Re: Suggestions/Feedback

    Originally posted by foxymop702
    Of course 29 of the 30 people are going to lose. That isn't remotely the point. This has nothing to do with winning or losing. The point is why bother playing at all if you have NO CHANCE to win? That is where things stand now, and it does nothing but encourage the other 95% of players to delete the app and forego spending the money they might otherwise dump into this game.

    And, sure, the better rewards are certainly a step in the right direction. But even under the new rewards, a second round loss (which is where most 2K decks can expect to end) lands you a rare pro. While that's better than the 6-player pack that is currently rewarded, it still doesn't move the needle or do anything whatsoever to help close the 2K point difference in every stat category that prevents you from actually being competitive in a season in the first place.

    So while it's easy to deflect the problem by saying "29 teams are going to lose," that's hardly the issue. If you beat me because you play more and re-charge players more, so be it. But to slap me into a season that I have lost before it even begins? That's going to do nothing but drive away the vast majority of people who make up the target audience for this app. 10,000 people putting in $5 each is worth every bit as much to the devs as 50 people putting in $1000 each.
    I don't think there's any difference between losing to a team 200+ or a team 2000+. I think competition in this game is an illusion. That's why, to me, the cries for parity are a joke. Until anyone can show me what we can actually DO to win close game, other than hoping your team just happens to have an advantage, I'm never gonna see a difference between losing to a team 2000+ higher, 200+ higher, or 2000 points lower.

    That being the case, I only see this as people crying over nothing. 29 teams are gonna lose. People need to get over it, IMO.

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    • foxymop702
      Rookie
      • Apr 2014
      • 23

      #272
      Re: Suggestions/Feedback

      Originally posted by ActionJack
      I don't think there's any difference between losing to a team 200+ or a team 2000+. I think competition in this game is an illusion. That's why, to me, the cries for parity are a joke. Until anyone can show me what we can actually DO to win close game, other than hoping your team just happens to have an advantage, I'm never gonna see a difference between losing to a team 2000+ higher, 200+ higher, or 2000 points lower.

      That being the case, I only see this as people crying over nothing. 29 teams are gonna lose. People need to get over it, IMO.
      Of course there are things that can be done if the teams are evenly matched. If I play more QGs to earn energy cards and spend more time replenishing my players' energy between games, I will be more likely to beat those evenly matched teams that don't spend as much time replenishing energy. But if the other teams have stats that are 2K higher in every category, they can set a lineup at the beginning of the season, never look at it again and still beat me every time, no matter how much effort I spend getting energy cards and replenishing energy. That's the whole point of the season: how much effort are you willing to put in to replenish your players' energy between games. So of course there are things you can do to help your chances so long as the playing field is at least close to even.

      If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.

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      • Monarch 420
        Pro
        • Jun 2013
        • 565

        #273
        Re: Suggestions/Feedback

        Originally posted by foxymop702
        Unfortunately, yes. What is the point of even playing in a season if you truly have no hope of winning? Someone in the 2K range has no prayer of beating someone in the 4K range. And it's not just one person, there's usually a handful of those 4K decks, which pushes everyone else out to a best-case scenario of first or second round playoff exit.

        While that will be slightly less disappointing once the new reward system is implemented, four days is a long time to commit to a season you have no hope of winning and that might land you a single rare pro if you are lucky. What's worse: when you are in that position, a single rare pro isn't going to do anything to close the gap between the 2Ks and 4Ks; you need epic pros and legendaries. With the current drop rate, that is a pipe dream for people who don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on this app.

        That's why the only logical solution is to create tiered seasons (rare pro, epic, epic pro, legendary, etc.). That will prevent people from starting with a 2K deck and then subbing it up to 4K by adding epic pros and legendaries. Not only that, if someone with a 4K deck is having trouble filling out a season, they can use lesser cards and drop to a lower tier. Or perhaps CD can fill out higher tiered seasons with more bots, giving actual players a challenge to play against without using 2K decks as a doormat.

        None of these are perfect solutions, but they are far better than having people with 2K decks sign up for seasons they have no prayer of winning.
        Originally posted by foxymop702
        Yes, over time it is not altogether difficult to get epic pros through RC. But that still requires a decent amount of grinding, and it only happens once every two weeks. To build a lineup of 5, that would take 10 weeks. It's almost half a year to get 10, and so on. What are newish players supposed to do in the meantime? And that's to say nothing of the fact that by the time a lineup is built, the new version of NBA 2K will be released, rendering this particular mobile app irrelevant.

        If the dev wants to continue to build its base of customers, the answer isn't to alienate new customers by making seasons impossible to play while they are waiting for months to pass so that they can slowly build a stable of epic pros and/or legendaries through a dozen RC events. The new rewards at least have the potential to speed up that process, but only if people with 2K decks at least have a fighting chance at winning their seasons.

        I'm not saying that the people who pour money into the app should be inconvenienced. But if you instead ostracize the other 95% of your customers who don't pour literally hundreds of dollars into the app, that will be every bit as big a problem from the developer in the long run. Hooking the new customers and giving them a reason to want to spend money on the game is every bit as important to any legitimate long-term strategy.

        So create tiered seasons by card rarity and fill the higher levels with bots if needs be to keep them starting frequently. That way nobody is inconvenienced and everyone has a fighting chance (read: a reason to want to play and, hopefully for the devs, to spend money to keep getting better).
        Dude what is your record? I have more epic pro's than i can count, and i bought 4. Four. I never expected to win a season with 2000 deck. I never expected to win a season with 4000 deck. Hell, i'm going to loose my 3rd in a row with 6000 deck. The more you put into this - be it grinding or money - the better chance you have to improve. Crying wolf about matchmaking - is just not understanding the basics of this game.

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        • ActionJack
          Pro
          • Mar 2014
          • 586

          #274
          Re: Suggestions/Feedback

          Of course you have to energize. That goes without being said. Assuming full energy, what do you DO to secure a win?

          Cross your fingers.. Pray.. oh that's right... nothing.

          This game isn't *actually* competitive. It's better once you acknowledge that truth.

          Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

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          • foxymop702
            Rookie
            • Apr 2014
            • 23

            #275
            Re: Suggestions/Feedback

            Originally posted by Monarch 420
            Dude what is your record? I have more epic pro's than i can count, and i bought 4. Four. I never expected to win a season with 2000 deck. I never expected to win a season with 4000 deck. Hell, i'm going to loose my 3rd in a row with 6000 deck. The more you put into this - be it grinding or money - the better chance you have to improve. Crying wolf about matchmaking - is just not understanding the basics of this game.
            5036-1153 after playing for less than 4 weeks. And as for "crying wolf about matchmaking"--as if I am the only person on here who thinks there is a problem with this--if you truly believe that you shouldn't "expect" to win until your deck is somewhere north of 6K, why does CD bother with matchmaking at all? Just let everyone new to the game get slaughtered in every game mode as you suggest. I'm sure that will help CD build an app worth developing and supporting in the future. It's a good thing they aren't quite so shortsighted.

            There are better solutions out there, of course, but by all means continue to be flippant and just ignore the problem.

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            • Monarch 420
              Pro
              • Jun 2013
              • 565

              #276
              Re: Suggestions/Feedback

              Originally posted by foxymop702
              5036-1153 after playing for less than 4 weeks. And as for "crying wolf about matchmaking"--as if I am the only person on here who thinks there is a problem with this--if you truly believe that you shouldn't "expect" to win until your deck is somewhere north of 6K, why does CD bother with matchmaking at all? Just let everyone new to the game get slaughtered in every game mode as you suggest. I'm sure that will help CD build an app worth developing and supporting in the future. It's a good thing they aren't quite so shortsighted.

              There are better solutions out there, of course, but by all means continue to be flippant and just ignore the problem.
              Are you new to gaming? In every game i played in the last decade, everyone "new" gets "slaughtered". 6000k games i usually play in the first 4.5 days of rivals. So yes, my new friend, you should not expect to win with that record, and no, i should not suffer and wait half a day to my season, so i won't be placed in yours.

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              • foxymop702
                Rookie
                • Apr 2014
                • 23

                #277
                Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                Originally posted by ActionJack
                Of course you have to energize. That goes without being said. Assuming full energy, what do you DO to secure a win?

                Cross your fingers.. Pray.. oh that's right... nothing.

                This game isn't *actually* competitive. It's better once you acknowledge that truth.

                Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk
                You can't just assume full energy, because not everyone in a season is as attentive to that aspect. Energizing players (and playing QGs to get the energy cards) IS doing something to secure a win. But it's pointless if the decks don't start at a comparable level. You're right that the game isn't *actually* competitive right now. But inadequate matchmaking is the cause of that problem, not the way the app is operated.

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                • foxymop702
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 23

                  #278
                  Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                  Originally posted by Monarch 420
                  Are you new to gaming? In every game i played in the last decade, everyone "new" gets "slaughtered". 6000k games i usually play in the first 4.5 days of rivals. So yes, my new friend, you should not expect to win with that record, and no, i should not suffer and wait half a day to my season, so i won't be placed in yours.
                  Whatever. Continue to alienate new players and the growth potential of this game will disappear, with the viability of app (from a development standpoint) right behind it.

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                  • Monarch 420
                    Pro
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 565

                    #279
                    Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                    Originally posted by foxymop702
                    Whatever. Continue to alienate new players and the growth potential of this game will disappear, with the viability of app (from a development standpoint) right behind it.
                    No one is alianating no one. Just don't try to sound as if you figured out something after playing 6k games. I'm one of the most vocal in critisizing the whole thing, you can do the search. Choose your battles though. Matchmaking is not one of the biggest or even important issues, only because you cant win an epic with your 2k deck

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                    • ActionJack
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 586

                      #280
                      Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                      Originally posted by foxymop702
                      You can't just assume full energy, because not everyone in a season is as attentive to that aspect. Energizing players (and playing QGs to get the energy cards) IS doing something to secure a win. But it's pointless if the decks don't start at a comparable level. You're right that the game isn't *actually* competitive right now. But inadequate matchmaking is the cause of that problem, not the way the app is operated.
                      No... It's the nature of the game.

                      If there was a 30 man season, with everyone having the exact same stats, what so you DO to secure a win? Energy is a given. And even that... You energize and hope the other guy forgets? That's competition?

                      What if you both energize? How do you COMPETE, in this oh-so-competitive game?

                      Again... nothing. You sit back and hope the game picks you. I just take it one level higher, and hope the game picks me, when the season is being created. If it does, great. If not, #tanklife. With this update coming, at least now that dynamic changes. Now I hope the game picks me as the best, if not, I try to figure out which teams are better, and try to maneuver in a way that will give me the greatest chance of advancing far into the playoffs, to get an actual good reward.

                      That it. That's all this game is. People try to convince themselves otherwise, but it's a lie. This game isn't really competitive.

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                      • foxymop702
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 23

                        #281
                        Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                        Originally posted by Monarch 420
                        No one is alianating no one. Just don't try to sound as if you figured out something after playing 6k games. I'm one of the most vocal in critisizing the whole thing, you can do the search. Choose your battles though. Matchmaking is not one of the biggest or even important issues, only because you cant win an epic with your 2k deck
                        Nobody's trying to usurp your position as the most vocal critic. But, I'm sorry, when one of the two main game modes is effectively broken, that's a big deal whether you think there are more important problems or not.

                        If CD doesn't want to create tiered seasons as I have suggested, and if the players with higher decks don't want to wait half a day to start their own competitive seasons, then at least give me the option to wait longer for a competitive season at my own level. I will gladly wait half a day or more for a season that does not include statistical outliers. Give each player the option when starting a season to start as soon as possible or wait for a competitively balanced group of teams. Is that so much to ask?

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                        • Monarch 420
                          Pro
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 565

                          #282
                          Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                          Originally posted by foxymop702
                          Nobody's trying to usurp your position as the most vocal critic. But, I'm sorry, when one of the two main game modes is effectively broken, that's a big deal whether you think there are more important problems or not.

                          If CD doesn't want to create tiered seasons as I have suggested, and if the players with higher decks don't want to wait half a day to start their own competitive seasons, then at least give me the option to wait longer for a competitive season at my own level. I will gladly wait half a day or more for a season that does not include statistical outliers. Give each player the option when starting a season to start as soon as possible or wait for a competitively balanced group of teams. Is that so much to ask?
                          But its just like Action Jack is saying (i hope i understood correctly, i'm kinda tired) - there is NO competitive seasons. Its just luck. Either you have better numbers then the other 29 dudes or not. That you know as soon as the season starts. If you don't know how, use the search option on this forum. So it's a coin flip. It always will be. There is no competition in season mode, just an illusion of it. If you want to compete, there is a whole other thing for that. You will have to play a hell more than them 6000 games though.

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                          • foxymop702
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 23

                            #283
                            Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                            Originally posted by Monarch 420
                            But its just like Action Jack is saying (i hope i understood correctly, i'm kinda tired) - there is NO competitive seasons. Its just luck. Either you have better numbers then the other 29 dudes or not. That you know as soon as the season starts. If you don't know how, use the search option on this forum. So it's a coin flip. It always will be. There is no competition in season mode, just an illusion of it. If you want to compete, there is a whole other thing for that. You will have to play a hell more than them 6000 games though.
                            If you guys can't understand that spending more time than your other season participants playing QGs to earn energy cards and repeatedly energize your players is absolutely a form of competition, I don't know what to tell you. When the decks are close in value, you CAN impact your chances of winning by spending more effort on this process than your opponent. If you don't view that as a competitive process that can be controlled, then we obviously have different definitions of competition.

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                            • Monarch 420
                              Pro
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 565

                              #284
                              Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                              This is my current energy stock. Who cares about energy? Most people don't even bother with it till the playoffs. And yes, i guess we do have a different definition of competition. I at least try to understand the rules and the whole structure of it.

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                              • mika69
                                Rookie
                                • Mar 2014
                                • 90

                                #285
                                Re: Suggestions/Feedback

                                Is it possible (in the future) to buy single card (even the rival)?
                                Buy every card in the deck , so you can buy your favorite's card player
                                possible or not ?

                                thanks
                                good transactions : lovin99,flipvan,MrDavison,ignazz,jesusadbt,waterloo24

                                Very bad transactions :
                                van222 or jabari isn't a good guy

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