Suggestions/Feedback

[ActionJack]

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Look, I think it's totally possible to have insight after 3 days with this game.

I also think most people fall for this illusion of competition, and want to feel some thrill over the game choosing scenarios and numbers in ways we don't even know, to choose a winner, between you and an opponent, about which you know nothing. If you're in the playoffs, and lose Game 1, you have no idea why or how that happened. You can't make adjustments, at least not with any insight behind them. You just energize again and hope. Or change your lineup in some arbitrary way, hope it works, and if it does, credit that change for your win, despite you still not knowing if that's why you won or not.

In short, nobody knows how the game actually works in seasons. There's a limit to how "competitive" a game can be, when we don't even know the rules, and our means to affect the outcome are so limited.

It's not really competitive. Once you realize that, all this other stuff matters so much less. Parity doesn't really matter in a non competitive game. Parity REALLY doesn't matter when the prizes down to the THIRD ROUND are going to be as good as FIRST PLACE has been for the last 5 months.

People just love complaining over silly stuff, with this game.

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[ActionJack]

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I never have more than 40 energy at any time. Usually much less than that. I went into my last season with literally zero energy, and never energized once.

My point is that, you said energizing to get a win, represented some form of competition. I think that's ridiculous.

I also don't think wanting a chance to win is ridiculous. I think wanting a chance to win, before REALLY working for it, is ridiculous.

Little back story. I won my first two seasons playing this game. I then went over two months before my next win. And that drought came, even though I was spending money on the game. I put maybe $80-100 into the game, some of that before Epic Packs even existed.

I know what it's like to have no chance. I won a few seasons in a row recently. My last season, I found myself in a season with Monarch and a couple other serious trucks. I knew I was gonna lose from the second I saw the season lineup.

Who cares?

Tank the season and keep it moving. Now, with better rewards, you don't even have to be as rational a person as I am to enjoy the game. Now, in that same situation, I could have grinded out the playoffs, and maybe gotten an Epic. Or maybe I wouldn't have, and what's the huge deal if I don't?

Seasons aren't a free Epic card giveaway. You win some, you lose way more, and it's OK. Again, now with the update, you don't even have to WIN!

What's there to complain about?

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[Monarch 420]

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Good point. A person couldn't possibly have legitimate insight on an app he has played 6,000 times in 4 weeks. This game is SO complex that you can't possibly even begin to fathom its sophistication until you've played 65K games.

Didn't want to keep this going bit ok -

1. Yeah, apparantly you have no idea how this game works.

2. Unlike you said in one of your posts, there is no "subbing in best players" during a season to gain advantage. Read the FAQ.

3. The energy as a competition element is just laughable, and ActiomJack covered it, i tried to explain it but you wont listen.

4. You want too win a season to win an epic? The current drop rate for epics is about 1-2300. Use the spreadsheet. Play some games, and maybe you'll pull something that make you "competitive".

5. Or better yet - play much less (i think) for an epic pro at rivals.

6. I'm really done this time

[foxymop702]

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Brother, I guess we just have different expectations about games we are willing to play. If one of two main game modes is completely unwinnable, that's a problem for me. And I'm guessing I'm not the only one, or CD wouldn't have instituted matchmaking in the first place. Just line up each newb against a season full of Legendary Pro lineups and tell them "Don't worry about trying to win, you haven't 'earned it' yet. You'll get that chance after playing about 65,000 games. Have fun! Oh, and don't forget to spend money on card packs!!"

[foxymop702]

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Didn't want to keep this going bit ok -

1. Yeah, apparantly you have no idea how this game works.

2. Unlike you said in one of your posts, there is no "subbing in best players" during a season to gain advantage. Read the FAQ.

3. The energy as a competition element is just laughable, and ActiomJack covered it, i tried to explain it but you wont listen.

4. You want too win a season to win an epic? The current drop rate for epics is about 1-2300. Use the spreadsheet. Play some games, and maybe you'll pull something that make you "competitive".

5. Or better yet - play much less (i think) for an epic pro at rivals.

6. I'm really done this time

So people can't sub in Legendaries and Epic Pros that have been won or found after the season starts? Could have fooled me.

And I've seen the spreadsheets, but surely you don't think that numbers randomly compiled by a handful of players out of more than 100,000 people are statistically representative of the real drop rate. Please.

[Monarch 420]

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So people can't sub in Legendaries and Epic Pros that have been won or found after the season starts? Could have fooled me.

And I've seen the spreadsheets, but surely you don't think that numbers randomly compiled by a handful of players out of more than 100,000 people are statistically representative of the real drop rate. Please.

Wow. Now you are embarrassing yourself. Good night and good luck and have fun.

[Anchen]

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Of the epic rate I think it is pretty good. There's a couple million picks worth of data there.

I think people have gotten kind of off topic. People have different priorities for what they'd like to get fixed or changed and I think most are valid. Probably should just drop it as differences in opinion and not get into who is more right than another.

[Monarch 420]

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Of the epic rate I think it is pretty good. There's a couple million picks worth of data there.

I think people have gotten kind of off topic. People have different priorities for what they'd like to get fixed or changed and I think most are valid. Probably should just drop it as differences in opinion and not get into who is more right than another.

Anchen you know i value your opinion. There is no right or wrong, there is a certain stracture in this game, thats all. When someone tries to push an opinion, without understanding that stracture (which is very flawed in my view), it just rubs me the wrong way.

Edit - oh and thank you once more, we credited you, as much deserved at http://***********.com/spreadsheet/

[Irving2]

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And nobody is trying to keep casual players down. They just shouldn't be WINNING.

lol why should somebody who spends a little cash but only played 50 games beat somebody who spends nothing but grinds out 10000+ games????

your logic is shocking to me, i think nobody has a right to win...peoples problem is the gap between spenders and non spenders is too big...i dont think anybody is saying ''i wanna have jordan, kobe lebron and win every season'' thats just unrealistic. we just either want a level playing field in terms of matchmaking or an easier way to get cards that allow us to compete without spending money.....nobody should play any game for hours and hours and feel like theres no progression.


anyway...hopefully the new update will make my point...and more importantly your point irrelivent

[ActionJack]

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lol why should somebody who spends a little cash but only played 50 games beat somebody who spends nothing but grinds out 10000+ games????

Where was that sentiment expressed?

your logic is shocking to me, i think nobody has a right to win...peoples problem is the gap between spenders and non spenders is too big...i dont think anybody is saying ''i wanna have jordan, kobe lebron and win every season'' thats just unrealistic. we just either want a level playing field in terms of matchmaking or an easier way to get cards that allow us to compete without spending money.....nobody should play any game for hours and hours and feel like theres no progression.


anyway...hopefully the new update will make my point...and more importantly your point irrelivent

We're talking about life AFTER the update anyway.

After the update, there's expanded RC tiers, much better season rewards, improved drop rate on draft boards.. I don't understand what more people want.

There's a limit to how good season matchmaking can get. Improving rewards makes it so that not being able to win, isn't a huge deal. You still get great rewards.

I really don't see the issue. People just have unrealistic expectations when it comes to winning.

[JPThanh]

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Gotta say, I just read comments posted in this thread over the last few days and it was highly entertaining. Gotta give it to CD Games, though, despite all the flaws that are pointed out by us, I still love the app and still find it highly addictive and I trust most people also share my feelings as evident by the numbers (and growing) in RC and the activity on this website.

Kind of wanted to share what I read on the Season Discussion thread posted by Denkiteki regarding season-matching in which I thought was rather helpful and made sense. Hopefully this will clear the air a little bit.

From personal experience and reading the forums, season match making seems to work as follows (note reverse engineering from a programmer)...

Match making is broken into tiers similar to reward system from RC and reward system based on your standing. Why? Its easier to program this way as you just use blocks of if/else if statements. Very simple to make, very simple to fix, very simple to adjust, and very simple to add more tiers later. Also most programmers/teams prefer to be consistent with their programming for the entire program (and for the most part in general), that way debugging is much easier as you don't have to think how you program a certain part of the code.

That means most likely, there will be a function/program use to calculate your total deck score based on your top 15 cards and the sum is a certain number. Depending on that number, you will be placed in a number of tiers. For example...

*note total = sum of all 4 category
If (total < 4000) then tier 1
else if (total < 6000) then tier 2
else if (total < 8000) then tier 3
else tier 4

Of course those numbers are not real but it looks like those with 2000+ rating per category often will be match up with trucks meaning they are in the final block of the if/else statement (aka if all conditions before are not true, then throw them all into tier 4 queue).

Over time, i'm sure CD will just add more tiers (i.e. <10k, etc) then the match making will be slightly better but there will still be 1 group that will have trucks (the highest group/last group). There is no avoiding this with the current system 'cause you have a very limited number of players with 6000+ line-ups and unless you make their queue times extremely long (basically so they only play each other... no idea if there is even 32 of them), they will end up being a truck in pretty much any season... difference is it'll be a 3000+, 4000+, etc season instead of 2000+ like right now. My guess is the next patch likely would improve match making by adding tiers between 2000 and 3000. Also note there are probably more than 4 tiers (i.e. the range is probably smaller that 500 points per category) but you really need a lot more data to truely figure out what the range is. I only had 3 seasons below 2000 (won all 3 'cause i made 3 subs each time and each time, the 3 subs were cards that i didn't have @ the start of the season and was my best by the end of the season, first season i was under 1k @ the start and got to ~1k by the end, second season i was around 1100 at the start and 1600 by the end, third season i was aronud 1600 at the start and just over 2000 by the end) and for the most part, all 3 of them seem close with a few teams a lot lower (likely due to the fact they weren't using their best cards or didn't train them). Starting season 4 to now 8 i have had randomly 5-6 tanks ranging from 3000+ to 6000+. This seems consistent with all complaints in the forum.

[Jonnydaman]

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One suggestion I have is home should make a difference in the playoffs. That way it rewards people for getting high seeds and give it more of a real series feel to the playoffs

[Sanic001]

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I updated the app today on my samsung galaxy s3. Now every time I open the app it crashes. Seems like a lot of people with android are having the same issues. They need to fix this before RC starts tonight. More than likely they won't. Good thing I have an iPad.

[ActionJack]

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My card limit is still at 100.

[Denkiteki]

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Try now, android seems working and i'm guessing the 100 vs 120 size was related to the crashing before.