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  • AzNBLooD
    Rookie
    • Mar 2014
    • 34

    #76
    Re: Season Discussion Thread

    Season matchmaking was supposed fixed to remove super op players? I think not. What the actual fu--..... And my card catalog still hasn't been fixed and I've emailed over 3 times to feedback in the past few weeks.
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    • Denkiteki
      Pro
      • Apr 2014
      • 844

      #77
      Re: Season Discussion Thread

      From personal experience and reading the forums, season match making seems to work as follows (note reverse engineering from a programmer)...

      Match making is broken into tiers similar to reward system from RC and reward system based on your standing. Why? Its easier to program this way as you just use blocks of if/else if statements. Very simple to make, very simple to fix, very simple to adjust, and very simple to add more tiers later. Also most programmers/teams prefer to be consistent with their programming for the entire program (and for the most part in general), that way debugging is much easier as you don't have to think how you program a certain part of the code.

      That means most likely, there will be a function/program use to calculate your total deck score based on your top 15 cards and the sum is a certain number. Depending on that number, you will be placed in a number of tiers. For example...

      *note total = sum of all 4 category
      If (total < 4000) then tier 1
      else if (total < 6000) then tier 2
      else if (total < 8000) then tier 3
      else tier 4

      Of course those numbers are not real but it looks like those with 2000+ rating per category often will be match up with trucks meaning they are in the final block of the if/else statement (aka if all conditions before are not true, then throw them all into tier 4 queue).

      Over time, i'm sure CD will just add more tiers (i.e. <10k, etc) then the match making will be slightly better but there will still be 1 group that will have trucks (the highest group/last group). There is no avoiding this with the current system 'cause you have a very limited number of players with 6000+ line-ups and unless you make their queue times extremely long (basically so they only play each other... no idea if there is even 32 of them), they will end up being a truck in pretty much any season... difference is it'll be a 3000+, 4000+, etc season instead of 2000+ like right now. My guess is the next patch likely would improve match making by adding tiers between 2000 and 3000. Also note there are probably more than 4 tiers (i.e. the range is probably smaller that 500 points per category) but you really need a lot more data to truely figure out what the range is. I only had 3 seasons below 2000 (won all 3 'cause i made 3 subs each time and each time, the 3 subs were cards that i didn't have @ the start of the season and was my best by the end of the season, first season i was under 1k @ the start and got to ~1k by the end, second season i was around 1100 at the start and 1600 by the end, third season i was aronud 1600 at the start and just over 2000 by the end) and for the most part, all 3 of them seem close with a few teams a lot lower (likely due to the fact they weren't using their best cards or didn't train them). Starting season 4 to now 8 i have had randomly 5-6 tanks ranging from 3000+ to 6000+. This seems consistent with all complaints in the forum.

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      • Keondre
        Rookie
        • May 2014
        • 129

        #78
        Re: Season Discussion Thread

        FIX SEASON MATCHMAKING PLEASE.
        Attached Files
        Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

        Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

        Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

        RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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        • JDaGr8
          Pro
          • Mar 2014
          • 922

          #79
          Re: Season Discussion Thread

          Originally posted by Keondre
          FIX SEASON MATCHMAKING PLEASE.

          I think that's the main thing that needs to be fixed in the game. Once you hit 2000-2500pts per category it's open season for trucks to be in your season


          User: JDaGr8
          Team: Blazers
          MVP: LaMarcus Aldridge

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          • Keondre
            Rookie
            • May 2014
            • 129

            #80
            Re: Season Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by Denkiteki
            From personal experience and reading the forums, season match making seems to work as follows (note reverse engineering from a programmer)...

            Match making is broken into tiers similar to reward system from RC and reward system based on your standing. Why? Its easier to program this way as you just use blocks of if/else if statements. Very simple to make, very simple to fix, very simple to adjust, and very simple to add more tiers later. Also most programmers/teams prefer to be consistent with their programming for the entire program (and for the most part in general), that way debugging is much easier as you don't have to think how you program a certain part of the code.

            That means most likely, there will be a function/program use to calculate your total deck score based on your top 15 cards and the sum is a certain number. Depending on that number, you will be placed in a number of tiers. For example...

            *note total = sum of all 4 category
            If (total < 4000) then tier 1
            else if (total < 6000) then tier 2
            else if (total < 8000) then tier 3
            else tier 4

            Of course those numbers are not real but it looks like those with 2000+ rating per category often will be match up with trucks meaning they are in the final block of the if/else statement (aka if all conditions before are not true, then throw them all into tier 4 queue).

            Over time, i'm sure CD will just add more tiers (i.e. <10k, etc) then the match making will be slightly better but there will still be 1 group that will have trucks (the highest group/last group). There is no avoiding this with the current system 'cause you have a very limited number of players with 6000+ line-ups and unless you make their queue times extremely long (basically so they only play each other... no idea if there is even 32 of them), they will end up being a truck in pretty much any season... difference is it'll be a 3000+, 4000+, etc season instead of 2000+ like right now. My guess is the next patch likely would improve match making by adding tiers between 2000 and 3000. Also note there are probably more than 4 tiers (i.e. the range is probably smaller that 500 points per category) but you really need a lot more data to truely figure out what the range is. I only had 3 seasons below 2000 (won all 3 'cause i made 3 subs each time and each time, the 3 subs were cards that i didn't have @ the start of the season and was my best by the end of the season, first season i was under 1k @ the start and got to ~1k by the end, second season i was around 1100 at the start and 1600 by the end, third season i was aronud 1600 at the start and just over 2000 by the end) and for the most part, all 3 of them seem close with a few teams a lot lower (likely due to the fact they weren't using their best cards or didn't train them). Starting season 4 to now 8 i have had randomly 5-6 tanks ranging from 3000+ to 6000+. This seems consistent with all complaints in the forum.
            SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS WE ALL NEED TO DUMP OUR CARDS OUR PRO EPICS AND LEGS AND JUST PLAY WITH RARES AND COMMONS TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE AT WINNING A SEASON????? THAT IS NOT LOGICAL, I SEE HOW IT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO COMPETE BUT I CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD MAKE MANY LEAVE THE GAME PERIOD. THERE SHOULD BE LEVELS AND WITH THE NEW CARDS AND PPL ADVANCING QUICKLY IT SHOULDNT BE UNDER 2K THEN 2-3 AND 3-MAX.....

            I HAVE BEEN GETTING 5-6-7-8K PLAYERS SINCE I PASSED 2K IN STATS. ITS JUST RIDICULOUS AND MAKES ME WANT TO DELETE THIS GAME AND EVEN TAKE MY XBOX COPY TO GAME STOP AND GET RID OF IT ALSO.

            SO FRUSTRATING
            Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

            Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

            Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

            RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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            • Denkiteki
              Pro
              • Apr 2014
              • 844

              #81
              Re: Season Discussion Thread

              Originally posted by Keondre
              SO WHAT YOUR SAYING IS WE ALL NEED TO DUMP OUR CARDS OUR PRO EPICS AND LEGS AND JUST PLAY WITH RARES AND COMMONS TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE AT WINNING A SEASON????? THAT IS NOT LOGICAL, I SEE HOW IT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND MONEY TO COMPETE BUT I CAN SEE HOW IT WOULD MAKE MANY LEAVE THE GAME PERIOD. THERE SHOULD BE LEVELS AND WITH THE NEW CARDS AND PPL ADVANCING QUICKLY IT SHOULDNT BE UNDER 2K THEN 2-3 AND 3-MAX.....

              I HAVE BEEN GETTING 5-6-7-8K PLAYERS SINCE I PASSED 2K IN STATS. ITS JUST RIDICULOUS AND MAKES ME WANT TO DELETE THIS GAME AND EVEN TAKE MY XBOX COPY TO GAME STOP AND GET RID OF IT ALSO.

              SO FRUSTRATING
              Not exactly, you can also dump out your support players and build around a few of your best players. Assuming you don't have legendary pros, you can actually get away with keeping as many as 4 epic pros/legendary and fill the rest of your line-up with rare (single not pro), uncommon, common, etc. That's how my 2nd account won his first 2 season and still gets a protected 3 season with legendary morning and duncan (season 1 + 2 rewards) along with keeping T. Young, Hayward and Larry Sanders (all rare pro).

              You just have to be creative and treat 8000 rating (2000 x 4) = a hard salary cap... lol Basically learning to play within the system.

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              • Keondre
                Rookie
                • May 2014
                • 129

                #82
                Re: Season Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by Denkiteki
                Not exactly, you can also dump out your support players and build around a few of your best players. Assuming you don't have legendary pros, you can actually get away with keeping as many as 4 epic pros/legendary and fill the rest of your line-up with rare (single not pro), uncommon, common, etc. That's how my 2nd account won his first 2 season and still gets a protected 3 season with legendary morning and duncan (season 1 + 2 rewards) along with keeping T. Young, Hayward and Larry Sanders (all rare pro).

                You just have to be creative and treat 8000 rating (2000 x 4) = a hard salary cap... lol Basically learning to play within the system.
                My Lineup for seasons goes as follows.

                Legs Pro Drexler, Pro Howard, Pippen (non-pro), Earl Monroe (non-pro)

                Epics Pro Westbrook, Griffin, Pippen, Havlicek, Lawson, Manning, LBJ (rookie version), Cooper, M Ellis, Collison, Andrew Bynum

                Thats my top 15 cards the ones marked in Red are my starting 10.

                3 epic and one leg support card also.

                The rest of my deck goes as follows:

                Epics (if marked with P there Pro)

                Mayo P
                Rondo
                L Johnson
                K irving
                Holiday
                Garnett
                T Evans
                Havlicek
                A Davis
                K Love
                Gay
                I Thomas
                K Walker
                Jennings
                Jack
                Lillard
                Lowry
                Martin
                Leonard
                T Evans (diff than above)
                E Gordon
                Mchale
                Aldridge
                Nowitzki
                Hornacek
                Granger
                AC Green
                V Carter
                Shumpert
                Starks
                Deng
                Nance
                Parish
                C Butler
                P Gasol
                B Scott
                Randolph
                Millsap
                Gortat

                Rares (P for Pro)

                A Miller (P wizards version)
                T Young (P blue jersey version)
                C Robinson (P)
                JJ Hickson (P)
                T Young (red jersey)
                Kidd (2012)

                I have a few other rares that i use when deck is full, my thot process is to train up the Kidd and second Thad to use in QGs, along with what I have now. Currently use Miller, Young, Robinson, Hickson and Pro Epic Pippen in QG with a 90% win avg.

                So my thots was keeping the epics because you never know what you will get to go pro on.....should I not do that and only keep the best hoping to get those paired up??? Because I was thinking a pro epic is better than a rare for season purposes, but i no longer have any Rare that crack my top 15... Is it smart to keep the rares I have for QGs? I use them in RCs to have have finished around the top 225 in last 2 RCs.

                So as for the Epics what shold I keep what should i dispose of?

                I appreciate any help and sorry so long but if you see the pics this is what I am up against. its frustrating me to no end.

                On the concept of Trucks, how come I am never the truck in any seasons I play? Does it matter who initiates the season or what? I would be a little happier if i was a truck once in a while.
                Attached Files
                Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

                Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

                Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

                RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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                • Denkiteki
                  Pro
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 844

                  #83
                  Re: Season Discussion Thread

                  The people in your season = the first 30 people that fill up the queue.

                  Think of it this way, there are 5 different lines, depending on your ranking, you line-up for 1 of the 5 lines (i.e. most likely you're lining up in the 2k+ line). Once the line reaches 30 people, everyone in that line gets to enter a season and that line starts over (the other line continues until they reach 30 and starts over once it reaches 30).

                  That means it doesn't matter who's the first or who's the last to queue, it all depends on who queues roughly the same time as you.

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                  • Keondre
                    Rookie
                    • May 2014
                    • 129

                    #84
                    Re: Season Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Denkiteki
                    The people in your season = the first 30 people that fill up the queue.

                    Think of it this way, there are 5 different lines, depending on your ranking, you line-up for 1 of the 5 lines (i.e. most likely you're lining up in the 2k+ line). Once the line reaches 30 people, everyone in that line gets to enter a season and that line starts over (the other line continues until they reach 30 and starts over once it reaches 30).

                    That means it doesn't matter who's the first or who's the last to queue, it all depends on who queues roughly the same time as you.
                    so what would you do with my line up? keep or train off what? Is it pointless for me from this point on, unless i spend 500$ or more to truck out and get lucky pulls at same time?
                    Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

                    Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

                    Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

                    RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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                    • Keondre
                      Rookie
                      • May 2014
                      • 129

                      #85
                      Re: Season Discussion Thread

                      Would it help to get down to just 15 player cards and 4 support when before starting my next season?

                      Im just trying to get into one I can have a chance at advancing in the playoffs.

                      Ive seen it said that its only your 15 best cards but that it counts all cards at max levels so if you have some in your deck that would make your season roster it pro and maxed it counts those....not sure of the validity of this, which is why i ask above question. elimination of that potential add up could help limit trucks maybe......or no?
                      Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

                      Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

                      Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

                      RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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                      • Denkiteki
                        Pro
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 844

                        #86
                        Re: Season Discussion Thread

                        Originally posted by Keondre
                        Would it help to get down to just 15 player cards and 4 support when before starting my next season?

                        Im just trying to get into one I can have a chance at advancing in the playoffs.

                        Ive seen it said that its only your 15 best cards but that it counts all cards at max levels so if you have some in your deck that would make your season roster it pro and maxed it counts those....not sure of the validity of this, which is why i ask above question. elimination of that potential add up could help limit trucks maybe......or no?
                        You're @ a point where it makes no difference what you do. You're in the everyone else queue (i.e. 2k+) and since you're not close to the border, you'll only worsen your line-up by deleting anything. If you really want to win a season, start another account so you can "win" a season with a newbie line-up.

                        The match making algorithm only matters until the breaking point (2k+). Once you reach that point, it doesn't matter anymore. The reason i had exactly 15 cards in my 2nd account's line-up is due to the fact the reserves are all commons (actually all Collins).

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                        • Keondre
                          Rookie
                          • May 2014
                          • 129

                          #87
                          Re: Season Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by Denkiteki
                          You're @ a point where it makes no difference what you do. You're in the everyone else queue (i.e. 2k+) and since you're not close to the border, you'll only worsen your line-up by deleting anything. If you really want to win a season, start another account so you can "win" a season with a newbie line-up.

                          The match making algorithm only matters until the breaking point (2k+). Once you reach that point, it doesn't matter anymore. The reason i had exactly 15 cards in my 2nd account's line-up is due to the fact the reserves are all commons (actually all Collins).
                          This is a serious flaw in this game.
                          Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

                          Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

                          Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

                          RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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                          • NWGameDad
                            Cat Daddy Games
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 1239

                            #88
                            Re: Season Discussion Thread

                            I know there is frustration with the Seasons, and speculation on how matching works etc. Without going into a ton of detail, Denteki's speculation is not 100% correct. Basically, when you submit to start a Season you are placed in a pool of people based on your *decks* top 15 players and 4 supports. So, attempting to start an all Common card Season while you have Playoffs Pro cards sitting in your deck doesn't work. You're still matched up with the higher cards assumed to be in your Season. Now that pool of people contains all the folks that attempting to start a Season within a certain amount of time. It matches everyone in that pool as closely as possible then starts the Seasons.


                            What you're seeing lately, is more "trucks" because people's decks are getting better. In reality the matchmaking is working better than before the update because the number of people playing with more closely rated decks has gone up. Sometimes you're matched in the bottom of that pool, sometimes you're not. It may feel bad when you're in the bottom, but we don't hear a lot of complaints from people when they are matched in the top. It's inherent to this type of game mode where you're matched with 30 real people, some of you are simply going to be the "Milwaukee Bucks" of that particular Season. Without introducing bots to fill slots in a 30 person Season, you can't always win a Season or be matched perfectly with everyone at the same deck level.


                            Like I said, right now matching is working better than before in that more often than not people are getting matched together with similar decks, but there will always be outliers in every season.
                            NWGameDad
                            Senior Producer
                            Cat Daddy Games

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                            • jigz87
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 316

                              #89
                              Re: Season Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by NWGameDad
                              Like I said, right now matching is working better than before in that more often than not people are getting matched together with similar decks, but there will always be outliers in every season.
                              So how s hit was it before because it seems that more often than not people are NOT getting matched together with similar decks.

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                              • Keondre
                                Rookie
                                • May 2014
                                • 129

                                #90
                                Re: Season Discussion Thread

                                Originally posted by NWGameDad
                                I know there is frustration with the Seasons, and speculation on how matching works etc. Without going into a ton of detail, Denteki's speculation is not 100% correct. Basically, when you submit to start a Season you are placed in a pool of people based on your *decks* top 15 players and 4 supports. So, attempting to start an all Common card Season while you have Playoffs Pro cards sitting in your deck doesn't work. You're still matched up with the higher cards assumed to be in your Season. Now that pool of people contains all the folks that attempting to start a Season within a certain amount of time. It matches everyone in that pool as closely as possible then starts the Seasons.


                                What you're seeing lately, is more "trucks" because people's decks are getting better. In reality the matchmaking is working better than before the update because the number of people playing with more closely rated decks has gone up. Sometimes you're matched in the bottom of that pool, sometimes you're not. It may feel bad when you're in the bottom, but we don't hear a lot of complaints from people when they are matched in the top. It's inherent to this type of game mode where you're matched with 30 real people, some of you are simply going to be the "Milwaukee Bucks" of that particular Season. Without introducing bots to fill slots in a 30 person Season, you can't always win a Season or be matched perfectly with everyone at the same deck level.


                                Like I said, right now matching is working better than before in that more often than not people are getting matched together with similar decks, but there will always be outliers in every season.
                                Agreed with poster above this.

                                How bad it must have been before. I would understand once in awhile ending up being the Bucks as you put it.......BUT 8 out of 9 seasons? Thats starting to push me to the level of the Cubs and world series-less-ness.........

                                I am by no means asking to be a truck and thinking I should win every season entered but there is no way that going 96-0 as I have seen in many seasons personally and seen and heard on forums of such as well, is accurate matchmaking. If your 96-0 in a season then you obviously did not belong in that season.

                                While you say match making is better it is still seriously flawed....to the point where many players enter and play a season until they get that game against a truck they know they cant beat then they tank the rest of the season and playoffs. In many of my seasons I have had 4-5 trucks in it, eliminating any hope to get even epic cards let along making it to a legend.

                                I am just asking that something be done to tweak the season matching a little better.

                                Because when faced with below what hope is there????
                                Attached Files
                                Rec: 26422-3584(6-16-14), 29693-4680(6-23-14)

                                Leg: Pros Drexler,Howard,Baylor, single Erving,Pippen,Monroe(Only 1 drafted in 30k+ games), Dr J

                                Epic Pro:Westbrook,Penny,Griffin,Pippen,Holiday,Lillard ,Bosh,Garnett,Lawson,Thomas,Lillard,Aldridge

                                RCs:Por r.223,Orl r.229,6ers r.660,LaL r.180

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