Tracking your Counter Resets

[arrowspg5]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

If you have a long counter reset, will you get a pretty quick one next time or is it random? I just got a leg++ reset after 209 boards, does that men ill get a reset pretty soon?

[SmartForce]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

If you have a long counter reset, will you get a pretty quick one next time or is it random? I just got a leg++ reset after 209 boards, does that men ill get a reset pretty soon?

The reset is completely random and not at all related to prior or later resets. The data in this thread suggests that CD programmed in a failsafe so that once you clear enough boards, you'll just get your tier reset card. They didn't necessarily have to do that, although if they hadn't, I suspect very few people would have had the willpower to power through 100k QGs for all the GOAT cards.

[eVizions]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

The reset is completely random and not at all related to prior or later resets. The data in this thread suggests that CD programmed in a failsafe so that once you clear enough boards, you'll just get your tier reset card. They didn't necessarily have to do that, although if they hadn't, I suspect very few people would have had the willpower to power through 100k QGs for all the GOAT cards.

With all the trashing of CD, we should point out some of the good stuff. Adding in tiers and giving us a guaranteed reset was a really good idea. I remember last year's game, where I never landed a single legendary card from the board. Resets make grinding so much more bearable.

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

With all the trashing of CD, we should point out some of the good stuff. Adding in tiers and giving us a guaranteed reset was a really good idea. I remember last year's game, where I never landed a single legendary card from the board. Resets make grinding so much more bearable.

I am not at all going to deny the credit CD deserves. Last years grinding was a lot worse and this reset idea was definitely the best upgrade. Evan with all the trashing we have given CD over recent weeks(myself included) the implementing of AH and RTTC have given the players a better all around gameplay. These new features have me excited for MTM16

[SmartForce]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

Got some more data from the RttC event through the RC and until I got my Star reset this morning:

Board Clears (Legendary++):

1st - L Support (+27 Def+Reb Self)(10th)
2nd - R Doug Christie (8th)
3rd - SR Support (1st)
4th - R Enes Kanter (2nd)
5th - R Mike Dunleavy Jr. (6th)
6th - R Beno Udrih (9th)
7th - R Enhancement (10th)
8th - SR Jon McGlocklin (5th)
9th - R Pablo Prigioni (12th)
10th - R Support (3rd)
11th - R Support (1st)
12th - R Glen Davis (4th)
13th - R Enhancement (10th)
14th - R Mike Dunleavy Jr. (8th)
15th - R Support (8th)
16th - SR Ramon Sessions (11th)
17th - R Kevin Duckworth (7th)
18th - R Enhancement (8th)
19th - R Sam Vincent (9th)
20th - R Hubert Davis (12th)
21st - R Rodney Rogers (8th)
22nd - SR Mario Elie (11th)
23rd - R Enhancement (3rd)
24th - S Boost (3rd)
25th - R Jordan Crawford (1st)
26th - S Boost (12th)
27th - R Glen Davis (8th)
28th - R Carl Landry (6th)
29th - R Kendrick Perkins (8th)
30th - R Dante Exum (11th)
31st - S Boost(12th)
32nd - SR Cliff Robinson (10th)
33rd - SR Marreese Speights (2nd)
34th - S Boost (3rd)
35th - SR Donatas Motiejunas (5th)
36th - R Gerald Wallace (10th)
37th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (10th)
38th - R Support (6th)
39th - S Boost (12th)
40th - R Aaron Gordon (2nd)
41st - UR Dion Waiters (3rd)
42nd - R Hedo Turkoglu (2nd)
43rd - R Anthony Tolliver (8th)
44th - UR Jeff Green (3rd)
45th - SR Enhancement (1st)
46th - R Marcus Morris (1st)
47th - S Boost (10th)
48th - SR Steve Kerr (1st)
49th - SR Alec Burks (9th)
50th - R Kurt Rambis(12th)
51st - SR Jeremy Lin (8th)
52nd - R Jae Crowder (11th)
53rd - R Anthony Tolliver (8th)
54th - R Rodney Rogers (2nd)
55th - R Support (4th)
56th - SR Chris Kaman (10th)
57th - R John Henson (11th)
58th - R Enhancement (10th)
59th - SR Greg Anthony (7th)
60th - R Devin Harris (3rd)
61st - UR Support (2nd) <--- Not a reset (see below)
***Boosted RttC deck to Epic before continuing***
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1st - S Boost (9th)
2nd - R Glen Davis (4th)
3rd - R Khris Middleton (12th)
4th - R Kendrick Perkins (1st)
5th - SR Omer Asik (3rd)
6th - S Boost (9th)
7th - R Isaiah Canaan (12th)
8th - R Scott Wedman (11th)
9th - R Dante Exum (11th)
10th - UR Vlade Divac (9th)
11th - R Raymond Felton (1st)
12th - R Langston Galloway (4th)
13th - R John Henson (4th)
14th - R Raymond Felton (1st)
15th - R Support (2nd)
16th - R Devin Harris (2nd)
17th - S Boost (1st)
18th - S Boost (2nd)
19th - SR Tim Hardaway Jr. (11th)
20th - E Marcin Gortat (10th) <---- Not a reset (see below)
***Got paranoid and used AH to boost RttC deck to Leg***
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1st - R Bojan Bogdanovic (3rd)
2nd - R Raymond Felton (7th)
3rd - R Thomas Robinson (4th)
4th - R Javale McGee (8th)
5th - R Raymond Felton (11th)
6th - R Hedo Turkoglu (5th)
7th - R Support (2nd)
8th - R Mike Dunleavy Jr. (4th)
9th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (12th)
10th - SR Marcus Thornton (2nd)
11th - S Boost (3rd)
12th - E David West (6th) (Dupe! *yay*)
13th - S Boost (7th)
14th - R Jarrett Jack (5th)
15th - R Doug Christie (10th)
16th - R Support (10th)
17th - R Khris Middleton (1st)
18th - R Support (6th)
19th - R Isaiah Canaan (12th)
20th - SR Jeremy Lin (1st)
21st - S Boost (9th)
22nd - R Pablo Prigioni (5th)
23rd - R Nikola Mirotic (12th)
24th - R Dante Exum (8th)
25th - R Enhancement (8th)
26th - R Rodney Rodgers (11th)
27th - SR Shawn Marion (8th)
28th - R Jason Terry (9th)
29th - R Kelly Olynyk (3rd)
30th - SR Julius Randle (4th)
31st - R Al-Farouq Aminu (5th)
32nd - R Glen Davis (4th)
33rd - SR Support (5th)
34th - R Tony Wroten (5th)
35th - R Kendrick Perkins (10th)
36th - R Jarrett Jack (6th)
37th - S Boost (3rd)
38th - R Enhancement (7th)
39th - SR Support (7th)
40th - R Enhancement (10th)
41st - R Tony Wroten (3rd)
42nd - R Gary Neal (4th)
43rd - SR Luis Scola (12th)
44th - R Andrei Kirilenko (12th)
45th - R Gary Neal (3rd)
46th - R Nikola Mirotic (10th)
47th - S Boost (2nd)
48th - R John Paxson (1st)
49th - SR Cliff Robinson (5th)
50th - S Boost (3rd)
51st - R John Henson (7th)
52nd - R Clint Richardson (8th)
53rd - R Isaiah Canaan (7th)
54th - R Aaron Gordon (8th)
55th - R Josh McRoberts (11th)
56th - S Boost (12th)
57th - R Enhancement (12th)
58th - R Enhancement (5th)
59th - S Boost (1st)
60th - R Nik Stauskas (9th)
61st - R Doug Christie (3rd)
62nd - S Boost (4th)
63rd - SR Norris Cole (7th)
64th - R Enhancement (9th)
65th - R Thabo Sefolosha (9th)
66th - S Boost (10th)
67th - R Marco Belinelli (4th)
68th - R Thabo Sefolosha (5th)
69th - R Support (5th)
70th - R Timofey Mozgov (7th)
71st - R Mario Chalmers (11th)
72nd - R Enhancement (12th)
73rd - R Steve Novak (1st)
74th - SR Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (1st)
75th - R Enhancement (9th)
76th - R Support (5th)
77th - R Jordan Crawford (7th)
78th - R Andrei Kirilenko (1st)
79th - R Support (10th)
80th - UR Jerome Kersey (11th)
81st - R Support (12th)
82nd - R Enhancement (1st)
83rd - R Ian Mahinmi (1st)
84th - SR Enhancement (1st)
85th - S Boost (12th)
86th - R Carl Landry (1st)
87th - R Raymond Felton (3rd)
88th - R Craig Hodges (6th)
89th - R Enhancement (3rd)
90th - R Shaun Livingston (7th)
91st - R Kelly Olynyk (4th)
92nd - SR Grievis Vasquez (2nd)
93rd - R Support (12th)
94th - R Isaiah Canaan (9th)
95th - R Enhancement (2nd)
96th - R Steve Novak (6th)
97th - R Ray McCallum (7th)
98th - R Scott Wedman (4th)
99th - R Josh McRoberts (5th)
100th - R Enhancement (6th)
101st - R Support (2nd)
102nd - SR Harrison Barnes (12th)
103rd - R Gary Neal (5th)
104th - R Gerald Wallace (7th)
105th - S Hot Streak (9th)
106th - R Support (1st)
107th - R Tony Wroten (10th)
108th - R Nick Collison (7th)
109th - R Bill Cartwright (10th)
110th - R Rod Higgins (1st)
111th - R Patrick Patterson (8th)
112th - R Shaun Livingston (4th)
113th - R Anthony Tolliver (9th)
114th - R Support (9th)
115th - R Devin Harris (4th)
116th - SR Enhancement (8th)
117th - R Scott Wedman (4th)
118th - R Enhancement (11th)
119th - R Thabo Sefolosha (11th)
120th - R Rod Higgins (6th)
121st - R Support (3rd)
122nd - R Ian Mahinmi (11th)
123rd - R Patrick Patterson (2nd)
124th - R Nick Collison (5th)
125th - SR Zaza Pachulia (12th)
126th - R Jason Terry (1st)
127th - UR Craig Ehlo (10th)
128th - S Boost (8th)
129th - R Craig Hodges (5th)
130th - R Enhancement (11th)
131st - R Doug McDermott (9th)
132nd - R Support (5th)
133rd - R Al-Farouq Aminu (6th)
134th - R Chauncey Billups (1st)
135th - R Anthony Bowie (7th)
136th - R Enhancement (1st)
137th - R Enes Kanter (4th)
138th - S Hot Streak (6th)
139th - R Kent Bazemore (3rd)
140th - UR Avery Johnson (2nd)
141st - SR Cory Joseph (1st)
142nd - R Tony Wroten (9th)
143rd - S Hot Streak (3rd)
144th - R Thabo Sefolosha (2nd)
145th - SR Enhancement (1st)
146th - R Enhancement (2nd)
147th - R Enhancement (5th)
148th - R Bojan Bogdanovic (8th)
149th - R Rodney Rogers (4th)
150th - R Patrick Patterson (2nd)
151st - SR Sean Elliott (11th)
152nd - SR Sidney Green (7th)
153rd - R Reggie Evans (1st)
154th - R Khris Middleton (11th)
155th - L Rajon Rondo (10th) <--- Reset (implies RttC uses your QG/RC deck 

rating for reset counter purposes)


Legendary - 2
Epic - 2
Ultra Rare - 7
Super Rare - 34
Rare - 170
Special - 24

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Board Clears (Star):

1st - S Hot Streak (2nd)
2nd - R Nikola Mirotic (12th)
3rd - SR Danny Granger (9th)
4th - SR Mason Plumlee (1st)
5th - S Boost (4th)
6th - SR Danny Granger (5th)
7th - UR Dick Barnett (5th)
8th - R J.J. Barea (1st)
9th - R Support (5th)
10th - R Isaiah Canaan (5th)
11th - R Support (3rd)
12th - S Boost (4th)
13th - R Ray McCallum (1st)
14th - S Boost (9th)
15th - SR Omer Asik (2nd)
16th - R Kurt Rambis (10th)
17th - R Support (10th)
18th - R Marvin Williams (10th)
19th - SR Ron Harper (9th)
20th - R Mike Miller (4th)
21st - R Enhancement (12th)
22nd - R Doug Christie (10th)
23rd - S Boost (12th)
24th - R Trey Burke (9th)
25th - S Hot Streak (4th)
26th - R Patrock Patterson (5th)
27th - R Javale McGee (3rd)
28th - R John Henson (2nd)
29th - R Rod Higgins (5th)
30th - S Boost (1st)
31st - R Anthony Bowie (3rd)
32nd - R Anthony Bowie (3rd)
33rd - R Randy Foye (4th)
34th - SR Mason Plumlee (5th)
35th - R Scott Wedman (8th)
36th - UR Luol Deng (1st)
37th - UR Doc Rivers (5th)
38th - R Enhancement (7th)
39th - UR Vlade Divac (4th)
40th - R Bojan Bogdanovic (4th)
41st - R Jason Terry (7th)
42nd - R Enhancement (6th)
43rd - R Tony Wroten (11th)
44th - E Rudy Gay (7th)
45th - R Chauncey Billups (11th)
46th - R Anthony Tolliver (5th)
47th - S Hot Streak (2nd)
48th - R Langston Galloway (5th)
49th - S Hot streak (9th)
50th - R Kevin Duckworth (1st)
51st - R Pablo Prigioni (1st)
52nd - SR Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (10th)
53rd - R C.J. Watson (9th)
54th - R Randy Foye (9th)
55th - R Shane Battier (5th)
56th - UR Jimmy Butler (2nd)
57th - R Ray McCallum (9th)
58th - R Kendrick Perkins (10th)
59th - UR Iman Shumpert (6th)
60th - S Boost (6th)
61st - S Boost (7th)
62nd - S Boost (1st)
63rd - R Kurt Rambis (9th)
64th - R Carl Landry (2nd)
65th - UR J.J. Redick (6th)
66th - S Boost (7th)
67th - R Clint Richardson (2nd)
68th - R Pablo Prigioni (2nd)
69th - R Kurt Rambis (10th)
70th - SR Tobias Harris (5th)
71st - R Kyle Singler (9th)
72nd - R Enhancement (10th)
73rd - R John Paxson (7th)
74th - R Gary Neal (6th)
75th - SR Kyle O'Quinn (2nd)
76th - R Patrick Patterson (11th)
77th - R Jason Terry (1st)
78th - R Chauncey Billups (10th)
79th - R Same Vincent (1st)
80th - R Kent Bazemore (6th)
81st - R Doug McDermott (4th)
82nd - R Glen Davis (6th)
83rd - S Boost (12th)
84th - R John Henson (6th)
85th - E Kobe Bryant (4th)
86th - R Jarrett Jack (4th)
87th - S Hot Streak (12th)
88th - R Support (1st)
89th - UR Jeff Teague (8th)
90th - R Gerald Wallace (1st)
91st - R Chuck Person (5th)
92nd - R Enes Kanter (12th)
93rd - R Support (9th)
94th - S Hot Streak (12th)
95th - S Boost (12th)
96th - R Nik Stauskas (9th)
97th - R Marco Belinelli (6th)
98th - R Gary Neal (8th)
99th - S Hot Streak (9th)
100th - R Nick Collison (1st)
101st - R Support (12th)
102nd - R Kent Bazemore (12th)
103rd - R Support (6th)
104th - R Support (11th)
105th - R Anthony Bowie (2nd)
106th - R Thomas Robinson (3rd)
107th - R Nikola Mirotic (1st)
108th - R Kevin Duckworth (3rd)
109th - SR Bobby Jones (5th)
110th - S Hot Streak (6th)
111th - S Boost (6th)
112th - SR Brandan Wright (1st)
113th - R Enhancement (3rd)
114th - R Isaiah Canaan (11th)
115th - R Shaun Livingston (2nd)
116th - R Steve Novak (7th)
117th - R Isaiah Canaan (1st)
118th - SR Ron Harper (8th)
119th - UR Miles Plumlee (3rd)
120th - R Support (8th)
121st - R C.J. Watson (12th)
122nd - R Aaron Gordon (8th)
123rd - SR Courtney Lee (2nd)
124th - R Doug McDermott (6th)
125th - R Bill Cartwright (12th)
126th - R Scott Wedman (12th)
127th - E Brandon Knight (10th)
128th - R Enhancement (8th)
129th - SR Tayshaun Prince (10th)
130th - R John Paxson (2nd)
131st - SR Andrew Miller (8th)
132nd - SR Tobias Harris (8th)
133rd - R Enhancement (3rd)
134th - R Chuck Person (10th)
135th - S Hot Streak (11th)
136th - R John Paxson (9th)
137th - S Hot Streak (7th)
138th - S Hot Streak (10th)
139th - S Boost (3rd)
140th - R Thomas Robinson (10th)
141st - R Howard Eisley (3rd)
142nd - R Jason Terry (9th)
143rd - SR A.C. Green (7th)
144th - R Enhancement (8th)
145th - R Isaiah Canaan (1st)
146th - R Kevin Seraphin (2nd)
147th - R Shane Battier (7th)
148th - S Boost (8th)
149th - SR Support (10th)
150th - R Raymond Felton (7th)
151st - R Marco Belinelli (2nd)
152nd - R Ian Mahinmi (7th)
153rd - R Isaiah Canaan (11th)
154th - R Glen Davis (10th)
155th - R Howard Eisley (9th)
156th - R Hedo Turkoglu (2nd)
157th - SR Marreese Speights (3rd)
158th - S Hot Streak (7th)
159th - R Support (11th)
160th - R Dante Exum (7th)
161st - SR Luc Mbah A Moute (4th)
162nd - R Thabo Sefolosha (3rd)
163rd - R Doug Christie (8th)
164th - S Hot Streak (7th)
165th - R Doug McDermott (12th)
166th - S Hot Streak (4th)
167th - R Kent Bazemore (10th)
168th - SR Support (7th)
169th - R John Salmons (12th)
170th - S Hot Stkreak (12th)
171st - SR Kyle Macy (3rd)
172nd - R Reggie Evans (1st)
173rd - R Thomas Robinson (7th)
174th - R Enhancement (8th)
175th - R Steve Novak (2nd)
176th - R Aaron Gordon (3rd)
177th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (3rd)
178th - R Patrick Patterson (9th)
179th - SR Support (5th)
180th - SR Danilo Gallinari (4th)
181st - R Jae Crowder (4th)
182nd - R Kyle Singler (7th)
183rd - R Rod Higgins (10th)
184th - S Boost (9th)
185th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (10th)
186th - R Support (8th)
187th - R Ray McCallum (2nd)
188th - SR Cliff Robinson (5th)
189th - R Support (4th)
190th - R Nick Collison (9th)
191st - S Boost (10th)
192nd - R Shaun Livingston (7th)
193rd - SR Enhancement (4th)
194th - SR Courtney Lee (5th)
195th - R John Paxson (10th)
196th - R Langston Galloway (8th)
197th - S Boost (9th)
198th - SR Support (9th)
199th - UR James Posey (8th)
200th - R J.J. Barea (1st)
201st - R Raymond Felton (9th)
202nd - R Bojan Bogdanovic (12th)
203rd - R Thabo Sefolosha (1st)
204th - R Howard Eisley (9th)
205th - R Marvin Williams (7th)
206th - R Beno Udrih (2nd)
207th - R Carl Landry (10th)
208th - R Raymond Felton (12th)
209th - R Dante Exum (3rd)
210th - L Al Jefferson (4th)
211th - Star Clyde Drexler (8th)


Star - 
Legendary - 1
Epic - 3
Ultra Rare - 10
Super Rare - 27
Rare - 137
Special - 32

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Total info:

Star - 1
Legendary - 3
Epic - 5
Ultra Rare - 17
Super Rare - 61
Rare - 307
Special - 56

Games Played - 2,834
Board Clears - 447
Games per Clear - 6.34 ¥
Cards per Clear - 12.68 *

¥ - Number is 100% accurate
* - Number has a potential deviation of less than 0.05 due to record keeping method.

Conclusions: This is a fairly substantial set of data and it comes very close to initial assumptions. With 25 cards on the board and actual random placement of the board reset card (Rare+), the expectation would be a clear every 12.5 cards. The result is within one standard deviation and so I expect further data to continue to produce results that are close to 12.5 cards per clear, as per the law of large numbers.

I include all of the data in the code blocks for anyone who wants to run a deeper analysis, including perhaps the weighting of certain cards within tiers and also some insight into the placement of the "reset" card.

I clear the board in the following pattern every single clear:

06 22 02 23 07
20 14 10 15 18
04 12 01 13 05
21 16 11 17 19
08 24 03 25 09

It may be possible, with enough data, to figure out how the game pseudo randomly seeds the "reset" card. As anyone who familiar with computers and programming can attest, there is no such thing as true randomness.

Hopefully someone finds the data useful.

[eVizions]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

Got some more data from the RttC event through the RC and until I got my Star reset this morning:

Board Clears (Legendary++):

1st - L Support (+27 Def+Reb Self)(10th)
2nd - R Doug Christie (8th)
3rd - SR Support (1st)
4th - R Enes Kanter (2nd)
5th - R Mike Dunleavy Jr. (6th)
6th - R Beno Udrih (9th)
7th - R Enhancement (10th)
8th - SR Jon McGlocklin (5th)
9th - R Pablo Prigioni (12th)
10th - R Support (3rd)
11th - R Support (1st)
12th - R Glen Davis (4th)
13th - R Enhancement (10th)
14th - R Mike Dunleavy Jr. (8th)
15th - R Support (8th)
16th - SR Ramon Sessions (11th)
17th - R Kevin Duckworth (7th)
18th - R Enhancement (8th)
19th - R Sam Vincent (9th)
20th - R Hubert Davis (12th)
21st - R Rodney Rogers (8th)
22nd - SR Mario Elie (11th)
23rd - R Enhancement (3rd)
24th - S Boost (3rd)
25th - R Jordan Crawford (1st)
26th - S Boost (12th)
27th - R Glen Davis (8th)
28th - R Carl Landry (6th)
29th - R Kendrick Perkins (8th)
30th - R Dante Exum (11th)
31st - S Boost(12th)
32nd - SR Cliff Robinson (10th)
33rd - SR Marreese Speights (2nd)
34th - S Boost (3rd)
35th - SR Donatas Motiejunas (5th)
36th - R Gerald Wallace (10th)
37th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (10th)
38th - R Support (6th)
39th - S Boost (12th)
40th - R Aaron Gordon (2nd)
41st - UR Dion Waiters (3rd)
42nd - R Hedo Turkoglu (2nd)
43rd - R Anthony Tolliver (8th)
44th - UR Jeff Green (3rd)
45th - SR Enhancement (1st)
46th - R Marcus Morris (1st)
47th - S Boost (10th)
48th - SR Steve Kerr (1st)
49th - SR Alec Burks (9th)
50th - R Kurt Rambis(12th)
51st - SR Jeremy Lin (8th)
52nd - R Jae Crowder (11th)
53rd - R Anthony Tolliver (8th)
54th - R Rodney Rogers (2nd)
55th - R Support (4th)
56th - SR Chris Kaman (10th)
57th - R John Henson (11th)
58th - R Enhancement (10th)
59th - SR Greg Anthony (7th)
60th - R Devin Harris (3rd)
61st - UR Support (2nd) <--- Not a reset (see below)
***Boosted RttC deck to Epic before continuing***
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1st - S Boost (9th)
2nd - R Glen Davis (4th)
3rd - R Khris Middleton (12th)
4th - R Kendrick Perkins (1st)
5th - SR Omer Asik (3rd)
6th - S Boost (9th)
7th - R Isaiah Canaan (12th)
8th - R Scott Wedman (11th)
9th - R Dante Exum (11th)
10th - UR Vlade Divac (9th)
11th - R Raymond Felton (1st)
12th - R Langston Galloway (4th)
13th - R John Henson (4th)
14th - R Raymond Felton (1st)
15th - R Support (2nd)
16th - R Devin Harris (2nd)
17th - S Boost (1st)
18th - S Boost (2nd)
19th - SR Tim Hardaway Jr. (11th)
20th - E Marcin Gortat (10th) <---- Not a reset (see below)
***Got paranoid and used AH to boost RttC deck to Leg***
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1st - R Bojan Bogdanovic (3rd)
2nd - R Raymond Felton (7th)
3rd - R Thomas Robinson (4th)
4th - R Javale McGee (8th)
5th - R Raymond Felton (11th)
6th - R Hedo Turkoglu (5th)
7th - R Support (2nd)
8th - R Mike Dunleavy Jr. (4th)
9th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (12th)
10th - SR Marcus Thornton (2nd)
11th - S Boost (3rd)
12th - E David West (6th) (Dupe! *yay*)
13th - S Boost (7th)
14th - R Jarrett Jack (5th)
15th - R Doug Christie (10th)
16th - R Support (10th)
17th - R Khris Middleton (1st)
18th - R Support (6th)
19th - R Isaiah Canaan (12th)
20th - SR Jeremy Lin (1st)
21st - S Boost (9th)
22nd - R Pablo Prigioni (5th)
23rd - R Nikola Mirotic (12th)
24th - R Dante Exum (8th)
25th - R Enhancement (8th)
26th - R Rodney Rodgers (11th)
27th - SR Shawn Marion (8th)
28th - R Jason Terry (9th)
29th - R Kelly Olynyk (3rd)
30th - SR Julius Randle (4th)
31st - R Al-Farouq Aminu (5th)
32nd - R Glen Davis (4th)
33rd - SR Support (5th)
34th - R Tony Wroten (5th)
35th - R Kendrick Perkins (10th)
36th - R Jarrett Jack (6th)
37th - S Boost (3rd)
38th - R Enhancement (7th)
39th - SR Support (7th)
40th - R Enhancement (10th)
41st - R Tony Wroten (3rd)
42nd - R Gary Neal (4th)
43rd - SR Luis Scola (12th)
44th - R Andrei Kirilenko (12th)
45th - R Gary Neal (3rd)
46th - R Nikola Mirotic (10th)
47th - S Boost (2nd)
48th - R John Paxson (1st)
49th - SR Cliff Robinson (5th)
50th - S Boost (3rd)
51st - R John Henson (7th)
52nd - R Clint Richardson (8th)
53rd - R Isaiah Canaan (7th)
54th - R Aaron Gordon (8th)
55th - R Josh McRoberts (11th)
56th - S Boost (12th)
57th - R Enhancement (12th)
58th - R Enhancement (5th)
59th - S Boost (1st)
60th - R Nik Stauskas (9th)
61st - R Doug Christie (3rd)
62nd - S Boost (4th)
63rd - SR Norris Cole (7th)
64th - R Enhancement (9th)
65th - R Thabo Sefolosha (9th)
66th - S Boost (10th)
67th - R Marco Belinelli (4th)
68th - R Thabo Sefolosha (5th)
69th - R Support (5th)
70th - R Timofey Mozgov (7th)
71st - R Mario Chalmers (11th)
72nd - R Enhancement (12th)
73rd - R Steve Novak (1st)
74th - SR Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (1st)
75th - R Enhancement (9th)
76th - R Support (5th)
77th - R Jordan Crawford (7th)
78th - R Andrei Kirilenko (1st)
79th - R Support (10th)
80th - UR Jerome Kersey (11th)
81st - R Support (12th)
82nd - R Enhancement (1st)
83rd - R Ian Mahinmi (1st)
84th - SR Enhancement (1st)
85th - S Boost (12th)
86th - R Carl Landry (1st)
87th - R Raymond Felton (3rd)
88th - R Craig Hodges (6th)
89th - R Enhancement (3rd)
90th - R Shaun Livingston (7th)
91st - R Kelly Olynyk (4th)
92nd - SR Grievis Vasquez (2nd)
93rd - R Support (12th)
94th - R Isaiah Canaan (9th)
95th - R Enhancement (2nd)
96th - R Steve Novak (6th)
97th - R Ray McCallum (7th)
98th - R Scott Wedman (4th)
99th - R Josh McRoberts (5th)
100th - R Enhancement (6th)
101st - R Support (2nd)
102nd - SR Harrison Barnes (12th)
103rd - R Gary Neal (5th)
104th - R Gerald Wallace (7th)
105th - S Hot Streak (9th)
106th - R Support (1st)
107th - R Tony Wroten (10th)
108th - R Nick Collison (7th)
109th - R Bill Cartwright (10th)
110th - R Rod Higgins (1st)
111th - R Patrick Patterson (8th)
112th - R Shaun Livingston (4th)
113th - R Anthony Tolliver (9th)
114th - R Support (9th)
115th - R Devin Harris (4th)
116th - SR Enhancement (8th)
117th - R Scott Wedman (4th)
118th - R Enhancement (11th)
119th - R Thabo Sefolosha (11th)
120th - R Rod Higgins (6th)
121st - R Support (3rd)
122nd - R Ian Mahinmi (11th)
123rd - R Patrick Patterson (2nd)
124th - R Nick Collison (5th)
125th - SR Zaza Pachulia (12th)
126th - R Jason Terry (1st)
127th - UR Craig Ehlo (10th)
128th - S Boost (8th)
129th - R Craig Hodges (5th)
130th - R Enhancement (11th)
131st - R Doug McDermott (9th)
132nd - R Support (5th)
133rd - R Al-Farouq Aminu (6th)
134th - R Chauncey Billups (1st)
135th - R Anthony Bowie (7th)
136th - R Enhancement (1st)
137th - R Enes Kanter (4th)
138th - S Hot Streak (6th)
139th - R Kent Bazemore (3rd)
140th - UR Avery Johnson (2nd)
141st - SR Cory Joseph (1st)
142nd - R Tony Wroten (9th)
143rd - S Hot Streak (3rd)
144th - R Thabo Sefolosha (2nd)
145th - SR Enhancement (1st)
146th - R Enhancement (2nd)
147th - R Enhancement (5th)
148th - R Bojan Bogdanovic (8th)
149th - R Rodney Rogers (4th)
150th - R Patrick Patterson (2nd)
151st - SR Sean Elliott (11th)
152nd - SR Sidney Green (7th)
153rd - R Reggie Evans (1st)
154th - R Khris Middleton (11th)
155th - L Rajon Rondo (10th) <--- Reset (implies RttC uses your QG/RC deck 

rating for reset counter purposes)


Legendary - 2
Epic - 2
Ultra Rare - 7
Super Rare - 34
Rare - 170
Special - 24

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Board Clears (Star):

1st - S Hot Streak (2nd)
2nd - R Nikola Mirotic (12th)
3rd - SR Danny Granger (9th)
4th - SR Mason Plumlee (1st)
5th - S Boost (4th)
6th - SR Danny Granger (5th)
7th - UR Dick Barnett (5th)
8th - R J.J. Barea (1st)
9th - R Support (5th)
10th - R Isaiah Canaan (5th)
11th - R Support (3rd)
12th - S Boost (4th)
13th - R Ray McCallum (1st)
14th - S Boost (9th)
15th - SR Omer Asik (2nd)
16th - R Kurt Rambis (10th)
17th - R Support (10th)
18th - R Marvin Williams (10th)
19th - SR Ron Harper (9th)
20th - R Mike Miller (4th)
21st - R Enhancement (12th)
22nd - R Doug Christie (10th)
23rd - S Boost (12th)
24th - R Trey Burke (9th)
25th - S Hot Streak (4th)
26th - R Patrock Patterson (5th)
27th - R Javale McGee (3rd)
28th - R John Henson (2nd)
29th - R Rod Higgins (5th)
30th - S Boost (1st)
31st - R Anthony Bowie (3rd)
32nd - R Anthony Bowie (3rd)
33rd - R Randy Foye (4th)
34th - SR Mason Plumlee (5th)
35th - R Scott Wedman (8th)
36th - UR Luol Deng (1st)
37th - UR Doc Rivers (5th)
38th - R Enhancement (7th)
39th - UR Vlade Divac (4th)
40th - R Bojan Bogdanovic (4th)
41st - R Jason Terry (7th)
42nd - R Enhancement (6th)
43rd - R Tony Wroten (11th)
44th - E Rudy Gay (7th)
45th - R Chauncey Billups (11th)
46th - R Anthony Tolliver (5th)
47th - S Hot Streak (2nd)
48th - R Langston Galloway (5th)
49th - S Hot streak (9th)
50th - R Kevin Duckworth (1st)
51st - R Pablo Prigioni (1st)
52nd - SR Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (10th)
53rd - R C.J. Watson (9th)
54th - R Randy Foye (9th)
55th - R Shane Battier (5th)
56th - UR Jimmy Butler (2nd)
57th - R Ray McCallum (9th)
58th - R Kendrick Perkins (10th)
59th - UR Iman Shumpert (6th)
60th - S Boost (6th)
61st - S Boost (7th)
62nd - S Boost (1st)
63rd - R Kurt Rambis (9th)
64th - R Carl Landry (2nd)
65th - UR J.J. Redick (6th)
66th - S Boost (7th)
67th - R Clint Richardson (2nd)
68th - R Pablo Prigioni (2nd)
69th - R Kurt Rambis (10th)
70th - SR Tobias Harris (5th)
71st - R Kyle Singler (9th)
72nd - R Enhancement (10th)
73rd - R John Paxson (7th)
74th - R Gary Neal (6th)
75th - SR Kyle O'Quinn (2nd)
76th - R Patrick Patterson (11th)
77th - R Jason Terry (1st)
78th - R Chauncey Billups (10th)
79th - R Same Vincent (1st)
80th - R Kent Bazemore (6th)
81st - R Doug McDermott (4th)
82nd - R Glen Davis (6th)
83rd - S Boost (12th)
84th - R John Henson (6th)
85th - E Kobe Bryant (4th)
86th - R Jarrett Jack (4th)
87th - S Hot Streak (12th)
88th - R Support (1st)
89th - UR Jeff Teague (8th)
90th - R Gerald Wallace (1st)
91st - R Chuck Person (5th)
92nd - R Enes Kanter (12th)
93rd - R Support (9th)
94th - S Hot Streak (12th)
95th - S Boost (12th)
96th - R Nik Stauskas (9th)
97th - R Marco Belinelli (6th)
98th - R Gary Neal (8th)
99th - S Hot Streak (9th)
100th - R Nick Collison (1st)
101st - R Support (12th)
102nd - R Kent Bazemore (12th)
103rd - R Support (6th)
104th - R Support (11th)
105th - R Anthony Bowie (2nd)
106th - R Thomas Robinson (3rd)
107th - R Nikola Mirotic (1st)
108th - R Kevin Duckworth (3rd)
109th - SR Bobby Jones (5th)
110th - S Hot Streak (6th)
111th - S Boost (6th)
112th - SR Brandan Wright (1st)
113th - R Enhancement (3rd)
114th - R Isaiah Canaan (11th)
115th - R Shaun Livingston (2nd)
116th - R Steve Novak (7th)
117th - R Isaiah Canaan (1st)
118th - SR Ron Harper (8th)
119th - UR Miles Plumlee (3rd)
120th - R Support (8th)
121st - R C.J. Watson (12th)
122nd - R Aaron Gordon (8th)
123rd - SR Courtney Lee (2nd)
124th - R Doug McDermott (6th)
125th - R Bill Cartwright (12th)
126th - R Scott Wedman (12th)
127th - E Brandon Knight (10th)
128th - R Enhancement (8th)
129th - SR Tayshaun Prince (10th)
130th - R John Paxson (2nd)
131st - SR Andrew Miller (8th)
132nd - SR Tobias Harris (8th)
133rd - R Enhancement (3rd)
134th - R Chuck Person (10th)
135th - S Hot Streak (11th)
136th - R John Paxson (9th)
137th - S Hot Streak (7th)
138th - S Hot Streak (10th)
139th - S Boost (3rd)
140th - R Thomas Robinson (10th)
141st - R Howard Eisley (3rd)
142nd - R Jason Terry (9th)
143rd - SR A.C. Green (7th)
144th - R Enhancement (8th)
145th - R Isaiah Canaan (1st)
146th - R Kevin Seraphin (2nd)
147th - R Shane Battier (7th)
148th - S Boost (8th)
149th - SR Support (10th)
150th - R Raymond Felton (7th)
151st - R Marco Belinelli (2nd)
152nd - R Ian Mahinmi (7th)
153rd - R Isaiah Canaan (11th)
154th - R Glen Davis (10th)
155th - R Howard Eisley (9th)
156th - R Hedo Turkoglu (2nd)
157th - SR Marreese Speights (3rd)
158th - S Hot Streak (7th)
159th - R Support (11th)
160th - R Dante Exum (7th)
161st - SR Luc Mbah A Moute (4th)
162nd - R Thabo Sefolosha (3rd)
163rd - R Doug Christie (8th)
164th - S Hot Streak (7th)
165th - R Doug McDermott (12th)
166th - S Hot Streak (4th)
167th - R Kent Bazemore (10th)
168th - SR Support (7th)
169th - R John Salmons (12th)
170th - S Hot Stkreak (12th)
171st - SR Kyle Macy (3rd)
172nd - R Reggie Evans (1st)
173rd - R Thomas Robinson (7th)
174th - R Enhancement (8th)
175th - R Steve Novak (2nd)
176th - R Aaron Gordon (3rd)
177th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (3rd)
178th - R Patrick Patterson (9th)
179th - SR Support (5th)
180th - SR Danilo Gallinari (4th)
181st - R Jae Crowder (4th)
182nd - R Kyle Singler (7th)
183rd - R Rod Higgins (10th)
184th - S Boost (9th)
185th - R Giannis Antetokounmpo (10th)
186th - R Support (8th)
187th - R Ray McCallum (2nd)
188th - SR Cliff Robinson (5th)
189th - R Support (4th)
190th - R Nick Collison (9th)
191st - S Boost (10th)
192nd - R Shaun Livingston (7th)
193rd - SR Enhancement (4th)
194th - SR Courtney Lee (5th)
195th - R John Paxson (10th)
196th - R Langston Galloway (8th)
197th - S Boost (9th)
198th - SR Support (9th)
199th - UR James Posey (8th)
200th - R J.J. Barea (1st)
201st - R Raymond Felton (9th)
202nd - R Bojan Bogdanovic (12th)
203rd - R Thabo Sefolosha (1st)
204th - R Howard Eisley (9th)
205th - R Marvin Williams (7th)
206th - R Beno Udrih (2nd)
207th - R Carl Landry (10th)
208th - R Raymond Felton (12th)
209th - R Dante Exum (3rd)
210th - L Al Jefferson (4th)
211th - Star Clyde Drexler (8th)


Star - 
Legendary - 1
Epic - 3
Ultra Rare - 10
Super Rare - 27
Rare - 137
Special - 32

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Total info:

Star - 1
Legendary - 3
Epic - 5
Ultra Rare - 17
Super Rare - 61
Rare - 307
Special - 56

Games Played - 2,834
Board Clears - 447
Games per Clear - 6.34 ¥
Cards per Clear - 12.68 *

¥ - Number is 100% accurate
* - Number has a potential deviation of less than 0.05 due to record keeping method.

Conclusions: This is a fairly substantial set of data and it comes very close to initial assumptions. With 25 cards on the board and actual random placement of the board reset card (Rare+), the expectation would be a clear every 12.5 cards. The result is within one standard deviation and so I expect further data to continue to produce results that are close to 12.5 cards per clear, as per the law of large numbers.

I include all of the data in the code blocks for anyone who wants to run a deeper analysis, including perhaps the weighting of certain cards within tiers and also some insight into the placement of the "reset" card.

I clear the board in the following pattern every single clear:

06 22 02 23 07
20 14 10 15 18
04 12 01 13 05
21 16 11 17 19
08 24 03 25 09

It may be possible, with enough data, to figure out how the game pseudo randomly seeds the "reset" card. As anyone who familiar with computers and programming can attest, there is no such thing as true randomness.

Hopefully someone finds the data useful.

My guess is that there is no preset card placement. Whether you select the middle card or a corner card, the same function is called without any reference to the card you selected.

As far as random number generators go, they are usually seeded by time (whatever millisecond is now, for example). With a full understand of the code and very precise technology, you can probably find a way to "predict" results, but to a human clicking on a screen, it's as good as actual randomness.

[SmartForce]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

It would be considerably more difficult to write a proper function where the cards aren't all pre-determined server side when it generates your board. Much easier to store the board card ID numbers and only send the information to the client when a draft pick is expended on the board.

That would be much less server load intensive, secure (since it doesn't send the actual card IDs until you have made the pick) and would result in very easily adjustable and reliable reward for time outputs.

The data we see in this thread along with just realizing how much more server load it would take to make a call every time someone taps a draft pick instead of just calling an already pre-determined card for the slot ... it points to each board being seeded when it is first generated.

When working with apps, you want to be able to adjust the levers easily, and the sort of function you are positing would be difficult to adjust without risking unintentional consequences ... and it would be less efficient to boot.

All of that said, only the code monkeys working for CD actually know how they handle it.

[d55]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

question - how does it work if you are jumping around tiers?

ex. Leg ++ in QG then go down to Epic for RTTC? would that mean I have no chance to pull a leg while in the Epic tier? and do the board clears while in Epic count towards my leg++ totals?

I think I remember pulling an Epic card during the last RTTC when I was in the UR tier but in the Epic tier in QG..

many thanks!

[davidraptor]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets


Leg Freebie ~~. wish it was a player card but ill take it.

if anyone wants to buy pm me

[SmartForce]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

question - how does it work if you are jumping around tiers?

ex. Leg ++ in QG then go down to Epic for RTTC? would that mean I have no chance to pull a leg while in the Epic tier? and do the board clears while in Epic count towards my leg++ totals?

I think I remember pulling an Epic card during the last RTTC when I was in the UR tier but in the Epic tier in QG..

many thanks!

The RttC board, even though it shows your RttC deck level, appears to operate on your QG/RC lineup's tier. Several people pulled cards higher than their RttC deck rating would allow, and my own data seems to back up this theory as well.

[eVizions]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

It would be considerably more difficult to write a proper function where the cards aren't all pre-determined server side when it generates your board. Much easier to store the board card ID numbers and only send the information to the client when a draft pick is expended on the board.

That would be much less server load intensive, secure (since it doesn't send the actual card IDs until you have made the pick) and would result in very easily adjustable and reliable reward for time outputs.

The data we see in this thread along with just realizing how much more server load it would take to make a call every time someone taps a draft pick instead of just calling an already pre-determined card for the slot ... it points to each board being seeded when it is first generated.

When working with apps, you want to be able to adjust the levers easily, and the sort of function you are positing would be difficult to adjust without risking unintentional consequences ... and it would be less efficient to boot.

All of that said, only the code monkeys working for CD actually know how they handle it.

I have to disagree. If you are generating the entire board and storing the results, you're literally generating 25 outcomes, half of which will be statistically irrelevant. This would also have to be re-generated whenever you jumped up or down a tier. Even if you just assign common/uncommon/clear and then assign clear type upon selection, you'd still have to take into account energy, which doesn't act as a clear, but also stops showing up when a user is full.

I could write a very simple function that gets called every time. Based on certain passed parameters (tier, reset count, energy, number of remaining tiles), I could first determine the type of card (common/uncommon/energy/clear), then either randomly select a card (common/uncommon) or, for a clear, first determine the tier, then the card. This could be extremely efficient function.

As you said, only they know. It's fun to speculate about.

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

What would the chances be that it is more based on an individual board to board coding rather then an extended sequence that we have been studying it to be. The timing of Special resets(UR,epic,leg) is to inconsistent to suggest that It is a one and done deal. Ex. I can pick a star card at 400boards another at 39 boards and a third 323 boards. You could Argue that it is just the law of averages but that requires for two constants(the same player) and(same conditions).This theory could also suggest that there COULD(not always) be multiple cards on a set board that would reset the board entirely. EX.A rare and an Epic on the same board. If this where the case then it could give some light on why there is early and late resets.
While we are speculating why not consider it a possibility that the line is a lot shorter or a lot longer then just a one card reset.


p.s. Sorry if im not clear or offer much supporting evidence. Havnt slept in 22hrs so my mind is all over the place.
pps. MTM players be like

[eVizions]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

What would the chances be that it is more based on an individual board to board coding rather then an extended sequence that we have been studying it to be. The timing of Special resets(UR,epic,leg) is to inconsistent to suggest that It is a one and done deal. Ex. I can pick a star card at 400boards another at 39 boards and a third 323 boards. You could Argue that it is just the law of averages but that requires for two constants(the same player) and(same conditions).This theory could also suggest that there COULD(not always) be multiple cards on a set board that would reset the board entirely. EX.A rare and an Epic on the same board. If this where the case then it could give some light on why there is early and late resets.
While we are speculating why not consider it a possibility that the line is a lot shorter or a lot longer then just a one card reset.


p.s. Sorry if im not clear or offer much supporting evidence. Havnt slept in 22hrs so my mind is all over the place.
pps. MTM players be like

There are some inconsistencies in what they say, but if we go by what NWGD has stated, we have the following:

We know there are set percentages that are based on tier. For example, in Star, maybe it's 0.5% Star, 1% Leg, 5% Epic, etc. This is what allows for an "early reset". Without resets, we'd be left with just the percentages, meaning you could literally go thousands of boards without landing a card in your tier, kinda like they had last year (although last year the percentages were static instead of being based on an individual's level).

We also know that each tier and sub-tier (+/++) has a certain guaranteed reset. So, if you haven't randomly selected a Star in 260 boards in Star++, they automatically give it to you.

This is what gives you the multi-factored outcome. The logic for this is simple. If I'm at the auto-reset number for my tier, my reset card automatically is that tier. Otherwise, run the odds based on the percentages.

(I'm ignoring the fact that, despite all indications by CD, the reset numbers don't seem to be entirely fixed. Not everyone in Star++ gets their reset at 260. Some get it at 266, some at 268, etc. It seems to happen around a number, but not always exactly at a number.)

[Sir Master Tim]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

There are some inconsistencies in what they say, but if we go by what NWGD has stated, we have the following:

We know there are set percentages that are based on tier. For example, in Star, maybe it's 0.5% Star, 1% Leg, 5% Epic, etc. This is what allows for an "early reset". Without resets, we'd be left with just the percentages, meaning you could literally go thousands of boards without landing a card in your tier, kinda like they had last year (although last year the percentages were static instead of being based on an individual's level).

We also know that each tier and sub-tier (+/++) has a certain guaranteed reset. So, if you haven't randomly selected a Star in 260 boards in Star++, they automatically give it to you.

This is what gives you the multi-factored outcome. The logic for this is simple. If I'm at the auto-reset number for my tier, my reset card automatically is that tier. Otherwise, run the odds based on the percentages.

(I'm ignoring the fact that, despite all indications by CD, the reset numbers don't seem to be entirely fixed. Not everyone in Star++ gets their reset at 260. Some get it at 266, some at 268, etc. It seems to happen around a number, but not always exactly at a number.)

I completely agree but since im curious to see if its even possible for us to solve I gotta throw out some hypotheticals and seeing what you guys think.
1.How much trust can we put into what CD has said. It may just be me and my skeptical personality but we have seen CD exaggerate in terms of what their abilities and modifications have done. The numbers suggest they are telling the truth buttttt what the numbers don't say is
2.The location in which the resets occur. It may be impossible to solve as every single pick would hve to be charted since your first game, but without more detail(location,pick number,time,picks since reset,etc) how accurate can our numbers really be.


The thing about numbers, whether it be on the court or in video game, you cannot argue against them as they hold definite value but pure numbers also don't show the whole picture

[arrowspg5]

Re: Tracking your Counter Resets

What is the counter reset for Star tier?