Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

[uncsteve53]

Re: Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

I updated on IOS. No auction house and no MVP pack

Update: Apparently I need to learn how to read

Auction House Beta

The Auction House Beta has arrived! On February 19th at 9am PST, the Auction House will become live to use for a limited time. You’ll be able to buy and sell cards with each other using Credits. You’ll be able to use all the features of the Auction House during the Beta period and claim any cards or Credits you won at the end. Here’s some additional information about the Auction House feature and the Beta itself.

[eVizions]

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How about 50credits for a maxed SR would you bite?

I would buy them for training. Which means CD would get 100% of my credits (I can't re-sell or use after training) and 30% of yours.

[eVizions]

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30% may be high, but that analogy doesn't work at all.

This 30% rake has two purposes.

1. Generate money

2. Regulate the game's card economy.

Sales tax is around to generate money; it doesn't have to regulate a market too.

And again, CD also has to worry about cannibalizing its other offerings. It makes zero business sense to make AH a flat-out better option than buying packs, unless they tax it HEAVILY. Even then, it may not make sense.

I know everyone here is always lamenting how they don't get enough free stuff in this game, but you have to understand.. this is a revenue generating product. I don't understand what people think... CD is supposed to dedicate their work lives to providing a great game for free to everyone, and not worry about making money?

If they take a 5% rake, and undercut their own pricing on packs... they're screwing themselves out of a large percentage of money. Why the hell would they do that? How do any of you people (who don't even spend any money) feel entitled to that? I really don't get it.

CD can make as much (or more) from bulk transactions with a lower tax than a 30% tax. For some reason, they've decided to limit the number of cards in AH and tax heavily, rather than have an open market. I'm not a free player. I've dropped hundreds on this game. Hell, I drop over a hundred on hot streaks each RC since LeBron. I understand that they need to generate money and I'm not asking for everything to be free. What I do expect is to not totally be bent over every which way. Last year, the most expensive pack was $20. This year, they made it $40. Now, they've bumped it to $50. I don't mind that as much if I have a way to sell (or at least supplement) my way there.

FIFA makes a ton of money. 5% isn't a lot, but if you consider the volume of transactions that they handle, you'll see where they make it up. They also track each card, so you can see how many owners it has had. Many of the cards I've bought have had 8, 10, 15 previous owners. EA got 5% of each of those transactions. They've got a model where people can buy a card for cheap and turn around and sell it for more to make a profit. This accommodates the buyer (who gets the card they want), the seller (who makes a profit) and EA (who gets a piece of every transaction). 30% tax immediately means that nobody will be able to do that (hell, it's even difficult in 2k15 at only 15%). It also means that cards won't have a "market value", because they'll almost always be sold for the minimum. It also means that cards won't always be available to purchase. Virtual economies follow many of the same rules as regular economies, but only if you let them. What CD is doing is attempting to set their own rules, which (I believe) will lead to a disappointing experience for us and a lack of revenue for them.

Why am I complaining? Because that's how CD gets the feedback to know if what they're doing is acceptable. If enough people speak up, they'll reconsider certain aspects (this is, after all, a beta). I'll still play the game for now. I'll try the auction house. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. That doesn't mean I should just accept whatever they put in front of me. Ultimately, if I dislike it enough, I'll take my money elsewhere, but I at least want them to know why.

[ActionJack]

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Believe me, I'm not the guy that tells people to hush up. If you have valid, well-thought-out points, by all means voice them.

You bring up good arguments. Like I said.. I don't know if 30% is the right number. We'll see.

This idea that the market was gonna be open, never made sense. People making threads about how they're gonna trade cards.. it was always dumb to me.

I just wish we could refrain from the stupid posts with people complaining about a 20 credit list fee, people expecting CD to provide all the credits anyone could ever want for this.. stuff like that.

I know CD is worried about selling packs still. I'm sure of that. The game was built around that. They just came up with some Mega Credits Pack or whatever, and a new MVP Pack. If people think they're not still gonna be concerned with selling their packs, guess again. Auction House is gonna have to operate around that.

You make some good points though. We'll see how it goes. I do absolutely agree that NOTHING is gonna sell above the minimum, except MAAAAAAAAYBE supports

[Illmatic1909]

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You make some good points though. We'll see how it goes. I do absolutely agree that NOTHING is gonna sell above the minimum, except MAAAAAAAAYBE supports

The only thing that can be sure is that this game is parting fools from their money. Cards will sell for more than the minimum...it's a supply and demand market with the not-so-wisest of decision-makers. Simple economics...

[yantelope]

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Sorry if this has been answered but is AH not working on Android yet? I updated and still nothing.

[uncsteve53]

Re: Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

Sorry if this has been answered but is AH not working on Android yet? I updated and still nothing.

AH goes live 9am Pacific time tomorrow (on 2/19). It is in the original post

[unreal_insan1ty]

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The only thing that can be sure is that this game is parting fools from their money. Cards will sell for more than the minimum...it's a supply and demand market with the not-so-wisest of decision-makers. Simple economics...

Gaming overall is an INCREDIBLY cheap hobby, my four year old hand build computer can run almost every game out there still.. sure I probably could use a new graphics card than the GTX590 Classified I bought used soon but that's $1200 over 4 years. If you are a console game that is even cheaper.

Almost everyone already has a smart phone to run this game, and certainly are not purchasing those smart phones FOR this game so that cost is almost moot.

I spent $90 at the bar the other night with my bud drinking Johnny Walker black and all I got was a hangover. The $60 I spent on this game got me a Star Bill Russell which has helped me move up in tiers, and get a Star Lillard from the last RC, and a Pro LaRusso from the the one before that.

As someone who works in video game production, I clearly recognize the value that paying a little for free to play games can bring, and its a win win for the players and CD, this game is cheap! Now, in a more macro view, no it is not, it is a total luxury, but debating socio-economics really isn't valid on a forum that is filled with the biggest fans of this game.

The real fools are those that want to bitch and moan about having to pay what for the majority of the people who play this game is a somewhat trivial amount. If you want to play free, then just enjoy playing the game organically and build up your roster as you can. Even if I spent $1000 on the game I wouldn't have a lineup as good as a SourSyd or TeamTerminator, there is no 'winning' this game, only enjoying it or not.

Complaining about bugs or imbalances, or drawbacks to the game, absolutely that is important, but for example the card limit thread only has something like 11 replies currently when that is a much more valid issue with the game than whatever payment model CatDaddy chooses to implement.

Some other hobbies like golfing etc are astronomically more expensive than even gaming on a big budget. I mountain bike myself and drop around $1000 a year just on maintenance alone to my bikes, not even accounting for gas to the trails, the initial bike purchase, helmets, jerseys, shoes etc.

[eVizions]

Re: Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

Gaming overall is an INCREDIBLY cheap hobby, my four year old hand build computer can run almost every game out there still.. sure I probably could use a new graphics card than the GTX590 Classified I bought used soon but that's $1200 over 4 years. If you are a console game that is even cheaper.

Almost everyone already has a smart phone to run this game, and certainly are not purchasing those smart phones FOR this game so that cost is almost moot.

I spent $90 at the bar the other night with my bud drinking Johnny Walker black and all I got was a hangover. The $60 I spent on this game got me a Star Bill Russell which has helped me move up in tiers, and get a Star Lillard from the last RC, and a Pro LaRusso from the the one before that.

As someone who works in video game production, I clearly recognize the value that paying a little for free to play games can bring, and its a win win for the players and CD, this game is cheap! Now, in a more macro view, no it is not, it is a total luxury, but debating socio-economics really isn't valid on a forum that is filled with the biggest fans of this game.

The real fools are those that want to bitch and moan about having to pay what for the majority of the people who play this game is a somewhat trivial amount. If you want to play free, then just enjoy playing the game organically and build up your roster as you can. Even if I spent $1000 on the game I wouldn't have a lineup as good as a SourSyd or TeamTerminator, there is no 'winning' this game, only enjoying it or not.

Complaining about bugs or imbalances, or drawbacks to the game, absolutely that is important, but for example the card limit thread only has something like 11 replies currently when that is a much more valid issue with the game than whatever payment model CatDaddy chooses to implement.

Some other hobbies like golfing etc are astronomically more expensive than even gaming on a big budget. I mountain bike myself and drop around $1000 a year just on maintenance alone to my bikes, not even accounting for gas to the trails, the initial bike purchase, helmets, jerseys, shoes etc.

That's wonderful, but (as I stated) I am not a free-to-play player. I've dropped plenty on the game and will continue to do so as long as there's a good balance. There will always be people that will drop thousands on a game and won't care if a single card costs $200. There will also be people that won't spend a dime. The remaining consumers (that are willing to pay, but only to a point) are the ones that CD wants to reach and find that balance between premium content and gouging. I'm one of those people. You can call me a fool or tell me I'm bitching, and that's fine, but I'm not posting here to convince you, I'm just letting CD know that one consumer is getting close to their walk-way point. You'd be surprised at how often one level-headed post makes its way up to someone who actually has a say in how things are handled.

[Illmatic1909]

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Gaming overall is an INCREDIBLY cheap hobby, my four year old hand build computer can run almost every game out there still.. sure I probably could use a new graphics card than the GTX590 Classified I bought used soon but that's $1200 over 4 years. If you are a console game that is even cheaper.

Justify, justify, justify. I am a player that has paid money into this game...and I still know I'm a fool. Even if this game gives me enjoyment, I'm still a fool. I can admit that, accept it, and laugh at it. Just because you enjoy something doesn't mean it's not foolish.

This is an expensive hobby you could play by rolling friggin' dice...and what's worse, unlike your oh-so-appropriate examples of golfing and mountain biking (never mind all the activities that cost next to nothing to do)...it produces and provides nothing other than enjoyment. By definition, you can call this game a hobby, but it is a hobby that gives you nothing to show for it. Don't take yourself so seriously...because we fools are being parted from our money. Plain and simple.

[Dextro]

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That is all fine, but to me, at the end of the day it is just tapping on a phone. And that´s it, nothing more.
Because in one year they will shut down the servers and all your achievements are gone.
There is nothing physical, it is just an app.

If you buy a bike, you can sell it. And it is really not about the money, it is just the idea behind the business.
If it would be worth to me, I would buy credits. But that is simply not the case.
50 Bucks and you get 6500 credits? Which is one card?
Congratulation!

I really don´t care about 50 Bucks, that is not even the amount of money I spend for fuel within 2 days.
If I compare it to my weekly cost, 50 Bucks would be just a small percentage. But what I don't like about the prices, is the fact that it feels like a rip-off.
Cause the amount you spend is to me not nearly that what you get back.

But that is just my 50 cent I understand other opinions, even if I don´t like them. Because I think there would be other ways for them to generate money and to make it a more balanced system

[apos1914]

Re: Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

That is all fine, but to me, at the end of the day it is just tapping on a phone. And that´s it, nothing more.
Because in one year they will shut down the servers and all your achievements are gone.
There is nothing physical, it is just an app.

If you buy a bike, you can sell it. And it is really not about the money, it is just the idea behind the business.
If it would be worth to me, I would buy credits. But that is simply not the case.
50 Bucks and you get 6500 credits? Which is one card?
Congratulation!

I really don´t care about 50 Bucks, that is not even the amount of money I spend for fuel within 2 days.
If I compare it to my weekly cost, 50 Bucks would be just a small percentage. But what I don't like about the prices, is the fact that it feels like a rip-off.
Cause the amount you spend is to me not nearly that what you get back.

But that is just my 50 cent I understand other opinions, even if I don´t like them. Because I think there would be other ways for them to generate money and to make it a more balanced system

Well, it is beta and NWGameDad said he 'd like all the feedback he can get, so you never know what the final version will be like.

[yantelope]

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AH goes live 9am Pacific time tomorrow (on 2/19). It is in the original post

Ah, sorry. The way people were talking in the threads it sounded like they were already accessing it.

[eVizions]

Re: Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

That is all fine, but to me, at the end of the day it is just tapping on a phone. And that´s it, nothing more.
Because in one year they will shut down the servers and all your achievements are gone.
There is nothing physical, it is just an app.

If you buy a bike, you can sell it. And it is really not about the money, it is just the idea behind the business.
If it would be worth to me, I would buy credits. But that is simply not the case.
50 Bucks and you get 6500 credits? Which is one card?
Congratulation!

I really don´t care about 50 Bucks, that is not even the amount of money I spend for fuel within 2 days.
If I compare it to my weekly cost, 50 Bucks would be just a small percentage. But what I don't like about the prices, is the fact that it feels like a rip-off.
Cause the amount you spend is to me not nearly that what you get back.

But that is just my 50 cent I understand other opinions, even if I don´t like them. Because I think there would be other ways for them to generate money and to make it a more balanced system

And I thought I spent a lot on gas...

[BoAKwon]

Re: Update 5 Release Notes and Auction House Beta

That is all fine, but to me, at the end of the day it is just tapping on a phone. And that´s it, nothing more.
Because in one year they will shut down the servers and all your achievements are gone.
There is nothing physical, it is just an app.

If you buy a bike, you can sell it. And it is really not about the money, it is just the idea behind the business.
If it would be worth to me, I would buy credits. But that is simply not the case.
50 Bucks and you get 6500 credits? Which is one card?
Congratulation!

I really don´t care about 50 Bucks, that is not even the amount of money I spend for fuel within 2 days.
If I compare it to my weekly cost, 50 Bucks would be just a small percentage. But what I don't like about the prices, is the fact that it feels like a rip-off.
Cause the amount you spend is to me not nearly that what you get back.

But that is just my 50 cent I understand other opinions, even if I don´t like them. Because I think there would be other ways for them to generate money and to make it a more balanced system

Geez do you drive like 250 miles a day??