Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

[iluvnug]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I have sold some cards while others weren't sold (I only list epics-stars) and I won't repost any unsold cards so they will all become training fodder except stars and there are also some cards I won't even try to post because of the high chance they won't be sold. So you are right my extra cards will be depleted sooner or later. But at the same time people's free credits are also being depleted even faster (only those who don't need to buy from AH anymore will have extra credits). So bottom line less cards on the market even lesser credits flowing in the market.

the cost of pissing off the community is not present in any of CD's spreadsheets.

I wouldn't really bother selling epics with the drop rates being so high in epic tier. I am sure there will always be a huge supply of epics on the AH. And there's barely any reason in buying an epic unless it's a throwback or high stat value epic. You can get epics in cheap packs too. The real credits are in legs and stars.

Also, thinking about how you decided not to try and relist those unsold cards, I figure that in some cases it may be timing. Try to list them to end at a time of day when you think the most players will be playing ie. US daytime. I have already given a few cards another shot and sold them on the second or third attempt. The benefit of a few thousand credits is worth the risk of an extra 20 to 40 credits, in my opinion.

[Illmatic1909]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Well, the AH is dead...

Fixes:

1) 5%, at the most, of all star sales are going through. Remove the minimum, raise BIN's, and let the market decide prices.

2) Why would Star Pro's cost more than two singles? I can buy 2 solo stars for 5000, but a Star Pro is 11000?

[eVizions]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

The only good thing with the nerfing of rewards is that eventually the market will start to have a meaning, coz cards will be harder to come by. There wont be 50 Teagues and Rodmans and Kawhis and etc etc, so maybe that it will be easier to sell even weaker cards...

Time will tell... Me personally, i would like the rewards to return to what they used to be. I'd love to get 5 or 6 Stars every 8 days, but it's not up to us...

This would've happened anyway. Everyone had cards saved up, so there is always going to be a flood as soon as AH opens up. The fact that nobody can sell their cards means those cards don't actually go anywhere, but rather keep being put up over and over. If they lower the minimums and BINs, those cards will sell and the market will no longer be flooded. Look at the cards that do actually sell, like LBJ, Klay and AD. There are not enough of those cards in AH, because a) the flood of them is over, b) the lessening of rewards means less of them are being introduced, and c) people actually bid on or buy the ones that go up, so they actually get added to someone's collection instead of being thrown back up onto AH every 12 hours.

[JazzHands]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

What I've learned from the past 5 months is not to completely believe everything he posts until you see it in action and can verify it yourself.

1. Auction House was coming soon right from the start and it took them 4 months for AH Beta to arrive.

2. When he said they will give credit rewards to top 4 season finishers last Q&A. All was happy and was just debating how low the credit rewards will be. But he conveniently left out the information that this was a replacement reward and not in addition to the reward system then.

3. Also in the Q&A he was asked if a new tier was coming and he was non-comittal and just said they have a lots of plans for the game. But they made a blunder and left the playoff filter on in the update.

4. And this bit about RttC you explained. Honestly my expectations was so low for this event and wasn't expecting much so as not to be disappointed (good thing my lineup was enough to get thru it).

I'm sure there are other instances. Basically he only shares the information he wants to share and not everything especially if he knows that information will not be looked on favorably by the players.

Exactly my thoughts.

[richie_r1ch]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I agree that epic prices need to be lowered a bit. I've had no problem selling super rare, ultra and legends but not a single epic, checking the AH often and I don't see many selling at all. As someone mentioned earlier, 900-950 would be the sweet spot but that may hurt CD's packs.

A trading feature with a higher fee if necessary would be awesome, maybe both parties split the cost of what one of the cards cost. You put up 5 cards at a time and 5 cards you want and wait for offers and accept or decline. Maybe 10 credits per card you put up. Allow for multiple player trades or involve credits in a trade. I think it would be a huge hit. If I'm out of credits I would actually buy some to engage in some trading.

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I dont understand why low tier users would be upset with the rewards. Someone whos' LU is a few Pro Legs, shouldnt be able to recieve the same rewards as someone with an all Pro Stars roster.

Coz the person with the Pro Star roster has either spent more money or spent a ton more time playing the app, so he should definitely have an "exclusivity" on the to rewards.

Low tier players were able to draft an UR, an Epic, a Leg and perhaps a Star from this. It's not bad i think.

People don't like accepting losses. That simple. For most people, the proper difficulty level for a challenge is however difficult it needs to be, that still allows me to win. That's it.

RttC seemed like a large success to me. People enjoyed it... RIGHT until they started losing.. then all of a sudden it was horrible.

Well, the AH is dead...

Fixes:

1) 5%, at the most, of all star sales are going through. Remove the minimum, raise BIN's, and let the market decide prices.

2) Why would Star Pro's cost more than two singles? I can buy 2 solo stars for 5000, but a Star Pro is 11000?

I don't know how "dead" AH is. I've been consistently selling stuff since the beginning. Still going strong.

I'm sure it's less active than it was when it first opened, but that's to be expected.

People need to let the market normalize some. I'm sure there are changes that should be made, but having knee jerk reactions to every movement of the market is silly. People need to let the ebbs and flows happen.

Also, why shouldn't a Star Pro cost more than 2 singles? I don't follow your logic at all. Buying one Star Pro is an easier process than finding two separate cards, it's already been leveled (at least enough to combine).

That said, Pros are always gonna be a tough sell on the market. Unless it's for a favorite player, or a known top guy (Lebron, Kyrie, AD, etc) purple are going to prefer to dupe cards they already have. It's much cheaper, and just more resource effective in general. Makes way more sense.

[vech]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

I've sold some epics and epic pros, their price outweigh enough the 20 post price for me to post them up

[Illmatic1909]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

People don't like accepting losses. That simple. For most people, the proper difficulty level for a challenge is however difficult it needs to be, that still allows me to win. That's it.

RttC seemed like a large success to me. People enjoyed it... RIGHT until they started losing.. then all of a sudden it was horrible.



I don't know how "dead" AH is. I've been consistently selling stuff since the beginning. Still going strong.

I'm sure it's less active than it was when it first opened, but that's to be expected.

People need to let the market normalize some. I'm sure there are changes that should be made, but having knee jerk reactions to every movement of the market is silly. People need to let the ebbs and flows happen.

Also, why shouldn't a Star Pro cost more than 2 singles? I don't follow your logic at all. Buying one Star Pro is an easier process than finding two separate cards, it's already been leveled (at least enough to combine).

That said, Pros are always gonna be a tough sell on the market. Unless it's for a favorite player, or a known top guy (Lebron, Kyrie, AD, etc) purple are going to prefer to dupe cards they already have. It's much cheaper, and just more resource effective in general. Makes way more sense.

If 5% of all sales are going through, the market is near death. The only sales going through are a) trades and b) high value cards. The market price has normalized below the allowable amount, so what does that tell you?

Again, this is a minimum problem, but the reality of it is, I could pick up two Jerry Lucas' right now for 5000 a pop and level the dupe up myself, rather than pay 11000. Meanwhile, you can't even sell a good Star Pro (Oscar, Magic, etc...) on the auction house right now. The minimums are killing the market. I'm sure CD will see it in the data.

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

If 5% of all sales are going through, the market is near death. The only sales going through are a) trades and b) high value cards. The market price has normalized below the allowable amount, so what does that tell you?

Again, this is a minimum problem, but the reality of it is, I could pick up two Jerry Lucas' right now for 5000 a pop and level the dupe up myself, rather than pay 11000. Meanwhile, you can't even sell a good Star Pro (Oscar, Magic, etc...) on the auction house right now. The minimums are killing the market. I'm sure CD will see it in the data.

You pulled that 5% number out of thin air though... We're supposed to treat that like it's fact? Lol.

I don't know the numbers. I do know the AH needs tweaking. It's not optimal.

I also know that jumping at every blip is no way to regulate a market. We have to let things play out and settle down. Things will play out how they will, and should be assessed then. It's too early.

As for the prices normalizing under minimums, again...

A) nothing has "normalized" yet. Nothing. You're getting way ahead of yourself.

B) I haven't sold a THING below minimum.



This is what I did just yesterday. This is all from yesterday. I'm not selling anything under min. I'm gonna get value for my stuff. I've gotten decently above minimums for a good deal of my stuff. The real problem is that everyone is soooooooo desperate that they're willing to take anything for their cards. That's bringing value down. This is a trend that may or may not end. I, personally, don't think it's something CD should be swinging policy on yet. If people are still trying to give handies for sales in a couple of weeks, maybe something should be done. Until then I disagree that it's so dire.

[Yonder]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Totally agree with ActionJack. Haven't sold anything under minimum either. And I'm pretty satisfied with my selling ratio. My stars all sold, 75% of my legendaries sold. I mean you can't put up an untrained Bill Walton and expect him to sell. Level him, and he will.



Actually I would have liked CD to leave the BIN where it was before. I think it was healthy for auctions to be real auctions and not just sales. It would have also reduced the options for "under minimum sales". I wouldn't even complain if they removed BIN completely.

[Illmatic1909]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

You pulled that 5% number out of thin air though... We're supposed to treat that like it's fact? Lol.

I don't know the numbers. I do know the AH needs tweaking. It's not optimal.

I also know that jumping at every blip is no way to regulate a market. We have to let things play out and settle down. Things will play out how they will, and should be assessed then. It's too early.

As for the prices normalizing under minimums, again...

A) nothing has "normalized" yet. Nothing. You're getting way ahead of yourself.

B) I haven't sold a THING below minimum.



This is what I did just yesterday. This is all from yesterday. I'm not selling anything under min. I'm gonna get value for my stuff. I've gotten decently above minimums for a good deal of my stuff. The real problem is that everyone is soooooooo desperate that they're willing to take anything for their cards. That's bringing value down. This is a trend that may or may not end. I, personally, don't think it's something CD should be swinging policy on yet. If people are still trying to give handies for sales in a couple of weeks, maybe something should be done. Until then I disagree that it's so dire.

Your sales were of premium star cards...duh. 5% number might be drastic, but when you remove high-end star cards...it's about right.

[yantelope]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

The only thing the market doesn't have any control over right now is training so if your cards aren't trained then they probably wont sell. I've sold all of my UR's that are trained and I'm slowly selling through my epics. For some reason I have to relist my epics several times, but they sell eventually.

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Your sales were of premium star cards...duh. 5% number might be drastic, but when you remove high-end star cards...it's about right.

I've sold Paul Pressey, Horace Grant, Jerry West, Pistol Pete, Tim Duncan, Gary Payton, World B Free Pro (in beta)..

These aren't high-end cards.

I've sold Legends.. I sold Epic Pro Rodman.. I've sold enhancements.. I've sold all sorts of stuff.

It may not be going well for you, but that doesn't mean there's a 5% sell rate, because you say so.

There is a little more to this than just putting your cards up for the min and hoping for the best, then trying to cut deal where you get nothing back for your cards. People doing all these deals are part of the problem. They're undercutting the market, and harming everyone's prospects. I'm still doing OK though.

I'm not saying I'm Warren Buffet or anything, but maybe you're putting the wrong cards up at the wrong time, with the wrong pricing.

Again.. That's not to say AH is perfect. There are clearly some things that are wrong with it... I just don't think it's possible to KNOW what they are yet, and I know you can't just tinker with a market, every time some mitigating force pops up, or a trend starts to take shape.

Let stuff play out for some time.

[ActionJack]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Also, just about that 5% number... chill. You have literally no idea what the real number is. Like... zero idea whatsoever.

I don't think the number of cards that sell is super high, but I don't think it's anywhere near as low as 5%.. But that is also not important. The REAL important piece here is that I don't know! Neither do you, so basing your whole argument on a number you pulled from thin air is just fundamentally silly.

[eVizions]

Re: Update 6 Release Notes - March 18th

Also, just about that 5% number... chill. You have literally no idea what the real number is. Like... zero idea whatsoever.

I don't think the number of cards that sell is super high, but I don't think it's anywhere near as low as 5%.. But that is also not important. The REAL important piece here is that I don't know! Neither do you, so basing your whole argument on a number you pulled from thin air is just fundamentally silly.

The fact is it's low enough to consider the AH an utter failure. Go search for any tier of card and take a look at the first page and see all of the expiring listings at minimum that have zero bids. When you can't sell anything at minimum bids, it's a failure, especially considering you had to put up credits to list it in the first place.