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  • jjyergler
    Banned
    • Mar 2015
    • 48

    #46
    Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

    Brad, I'll make this as short and as simple as possible. Look at my records.

    First RttC, I had a Legendary++ deck. I got the Malone card, but no farther.

    Before the next RttC, I wanted to get the Star card, so I bought a couple Star cards on AH. I then bought a big Hot Streak pack for use during the RttC. I got Lewis.

    During the RC, I bought FOUR big Hot Streak Packs and 3/2 and HS my way through, finishing in 500th (approximately) place and getting the RC/Star reward.

    I was planning on using my (now 2) RC cards, getting a couple Star dupes on AH, getting a HS pack, and trying to improve my deck so I could HS my way to the PnP/HoF reward this RttC, then using that card to improve my Seasons, etc, etc.

    So, I'm exactly the kind of guy you want. I'm willing to spend some $ on the game, but not massive amounts. I'm the "middle class" player. Like any economy, you should be built on the middle class as the stable part.

    What you see as exploitation and manipulation, I see as a simple counter that allows me to compete with Syd, BeegDawg, Twista, and the Chinese Teams that either have no life, unlimited funds, or a bunch of people who play games online for food. If you eliminate my "exploitation" and "manipulation" without addressing theirs, you'll show you have little empathy for me and those like me. Then, you have the audacity and arrogance to tell me the "proper" way to enjoy this game. Well, I do rejoice when I receive an "awesome" card. I don't have enough time to devote to this game hours a day. I steal time for five or ten QG at lunch, a couple dozen before bed and before my wife and baby wake up, I energize during a season, I'll get a Star reset every six weeks at the rate I play. So far, I've received several Star season rewards, but no dupes. So, for me the only way to get those "awesome" cards you speak of is HS, 3/2, and RttC.

    If you nerf the 3/2 and make it IMPOSSIBLE for me to compete in RC, if you screw up the difficulty on the RttC, you'll make me stop getting HS packs. You'll make me stop participating in RCs and RttCs. You know why? Because, if you eliminate my ability to improve, you'll eliminate my reason and motivation to participate.

    You say you play this game. I'm not sure I believe you, because every answer you give is a beancounter's answer. I never sense any passion in your answers. I don't know how often you post, but I'm on this forum every day, and at best, I see you post every couple days.

    If you nerf my ability to improve my deck without addressing the teams that play RC events and drive the point totals impossibly high, if you make the RttC pointless for me to participate in, you'll simply make me revert to a free player like I was until Jan.

    Ultimately, you'll prove yourself to be concerned simply with the big spenders and select few, you'll preach to me and tell me how you're looking out for me while telling me how to enjoy what I'm fortunate enough to receive from your talents...come to think of it, you ought to get into the Democrat primary, you have politics down pat.

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    • brad_nicholson
      Community Manager at Cat Daddy Games
      • Mar 2015
      • 178

      #47
      Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

      Originally posted by Melcho
      Hopefully you didn't take "B Rad" personally? It was meant completely in jest


      Sent from my C64


      nah, we cool man.

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      • SmartForce
        MVP
        • Mar 2015
        • 1845

        #48
        Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

        Originally posted by jjyergler
        Brad, I'll make this as short and as simple as possible. Look at my records.

        First RttC, I had a Legendary++ deck. I got the Malone card, but no farther.

        Before the next RttC, I wanted to get the Star card, so I bought a couple Star cards on AH. I then bought a big Hot Streak pack for use during the RttC. I got Lewis.

        During the RC, I bought FOUR big Hot Streak Packs and 3/2 and HS my way through, finishing in 500th (approximately) place and getting the RC/Star reward.

        I was planning on using my (now 2) RC cards, getting a couple Star dupes on AH, getting a HS pack, and trying to improve my deck so I could HS my way to the PnP/HoF reward this RttC, then using that card to improve my Seasons, etc, etc.

        So, I'm exactly the kind of guy you want. I'm willing to spend some $ on the game, but not massive amounts. I'm the "middle class" player. Like any economy, you should be built on the middle class as the stable part.

        What you see as exploitation and manipulation, I see as a simple counter that allows me to compete with Syd, BeegDawg, Twista, and the Chinese Teams that either have no life, unlimited funds, or a bunch of people who play games online for food. If you eliminate my "exploitation" and "manipulation" without addressing theirs, you'll show you have little empathy for me and those like me. Then, you have the audacity and arrogance to tell me the "proper" way to enjoy this game. Well, I do rejoice when I receive an "awesome" card. I don't have enough time to devote to this game hours a day. I steal time for five or ten QG at lunch, a couple dozen before bed and before my wife and baby wake up, I energize during a season, I'll get a Star reset every six weeks at the rate I play. So far, I've received several Star season rewards, but no dupes. So, for me the only way to get those "awesome" cards you speak of is HS, 3/2, and RttC.

        If you nerf the 3/2 and make it IMPOSSIBLE for me to compete in RC, if you screw up the difficulty on the RttC, you'll make me stop getting HS packs. You'll make me stop participating in RCs and RttCs. You know why? Because, if you eliminate my ability to improve, you'll eliminate my reason and motivation to participate.

        You say you play this game. I'm not sure I believe you, because every answer you give is a beancounter's answer. I never sense any passion in your answers. I don't know how often you post, but I'm on this forum every day, and at best, I see you post every couple days.

        If you nerf my ability to improve my deck without addressing the teams that play RC events and drive the point totals impossibly high, if you make the RttC pointless for me to participate in, you'll simply make me revert to a free player like I was until Jan.

        Ultimately, you'll prove yourself to be concerned simply with the big spenders and select few, you'll preach to me and tell me how you're looking out for me while telling me how to enjoy what I'm fortunate enough to receive from your talents...come to think of it, you ought to get into the Democrat primary, you have politics down pat.
        Good, cogent post here. I've given them suggestions in a thread about the RttC. If you have the time, read it and if you would spend if they did what I suggest, then tell them that. The more people who say they will spend and support CD for that sort of improvement, the more likely they are to do it.

        And it's not even really a "too fast" progression thing either. The RttC is twice a month, so if they implemented my main suggestion people would be able to guarantee themselves 2 PnP or HoF pros a month, for like $150 to $400 ... that's not an insignificant sum of money ... but I think people would pay for the reliable deck improvement ... and at the pace of one card every other week, it's not like it will put people at warp speed to the top.

        It would take 5 months at that pace to fill out a seasons roster, and longer than the lifespan of the app to fill out an RttC roster.

        It seems like a huge mutual win/win, letting the "middle class", as you phrased it, compete a little bit with the whales.

        The whales will still spend thousands like they already do, but a whole bunch more people will have a really decent incentive to spend every other week.

        Food for thought.
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        Lineup:
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        • brad_nicholson
          Community Manager at Cat Daddy Games
          • Mar 2015
          • 178

          #49
          Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

          Originally posted by SlightlySnaked
          So when should we expect this new tier, Brad?

          -Snake


          can't give a date just yet. that's still being firmed out on our end because the Playoff tier update doesn't just include new cards ...

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          • SmartForce
            MVP
            • Mar 2015
            • 1845

            #50
            Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

            Originally posted by brad_nicholson
            nah, we cool man.
            I would greatly appreciate it if you read my post immediately following this one of yours which I just quoted. Also, I put up a suggestion thread for the RttC event that is what I'm referring to in that post.

            I'd love to hear what you guys think about the idea, especially since the Wrestling app you guys run already has the idea I put forward implemented (or so I'm told as I'm not into wrestling).
            QG Tier: Legendary++
            Season Tier: Epic
            MVP: Legendary Pro MVP Curry
            Lineup:
            PG: Foil Legendary Pro MVP Stephen Curry
            SG: Foil Epic Pro George Gervin
            SF: Foil Legendary Pro LeBron James
            PF: Foil Epic Pro Larry Johnson
            C : Foil Epic Pro Robert Parish

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            • brad_nicholson
              Community Manager at Cat Daddy Games
              • Mar 2015
              • 178

              #51
              Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

              Originally posted by SmartForce
              Is it going to be like the WWE game where only the winner of the season gets a Playoff card? If that's the current plan, let me strenuously suggest that you consider keeping the rewards breakdown the same as it is in Star since the change.

              If you make it like the WWE game where only the winner gets a PO card, then you are just rewarding the "teams" that dominate the top-25 in the RC events (and who are at least breaking the spirit of fairness if not outright cheating), because nobody will be able to win a season against those lineups, and it's going to be basically impossible to go into a playoff season and not get trucked.

              and you're saying that because of Hall of Fame cards? i'm honestly not sure what the context behind the feedback is.

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              • brad_nicholson
                Community Manager at Cat Daddy Games
                • Mar 2015
                • 178

                #52
                Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                Originally posted by SmartForce
                I would greatly appreciate it if you read my post immediately following this one of yours which I just quoted. Also, I put up a suggestion thread for the RttC event that is what I'm referring to in that post.

                I'd love to hear what you guys think about the idea, especially since the Wrestling app you guys run already has the idea I put forward implemented (or so I'm told as I'm not into wrestling).


                whoops, created some cross-talk by quoting you just above this post. but, yeah, i'm really digging into that post.

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                • SmartForce
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 1845

                  #53
                  Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                  Originally posted by brad_nicholson
                  and you're saying that because of Hall of Fame cards? i'm honestly not sure what the context behind the feedback is.
                  The feedback I'm more interested in your thoughts on is the RttC, but the post you quoted comes down to this:

                  The top 25 in the RC events is dominated heavily by Chinese players who claim to be playing as "teams". I don't want to argue about whether they're botting or paying poor people to play or whatever. It is what it is, and it isn't likely to change.

                  As a result, the average (or even above average) spender and the free players have zero chance of winning a Playoff season any time soon because there are already so many people out there with lineups that consist of 10+ Pro Star RC/HoF cards. If the Playoff tier season ends up rewarding only the winner with a Playoff card, then only the people already super over the top stacked will ever win.

                  If; however, you adjust it so that Star tier becomes like Legendary tier is now (Winner gets a Playoff tier card plus small amount of credits, everyone else down through quarterfinals gets a star card) and you make the playoff season like the current star seasons are (top 8 all get a playoff card with the winner getting the 1k credits) ... then the "middle class" (as another poster put it) will at least be able to advance, albeit slowly.

                  Basically my suggestion is to simply make the new tier of seasons reward the same way the current star season does (I think we would all even be fine if star seasons credit rewards got bumped down and the playoff tier seasons got the 1k credit for winning), and adjust the Star seasons to be like the ones below where the winner gets a card 1 tier higher while #2-#8 get a Star card still.

                  I hope that makes sense?

                  Also ... the RttC idea is begging for feedback. It would be amazing to have a reliable way to get a Pro PnP or HoF card twice a month, even if it required me to drop $200 on game nights to get it. I think if you did a poll of all of your spenders who are not whale level (people similar to me who have spent hundreds but not thousands), you would find that most of us would definitely pay for that ... and someone said the Wrestling app's version of RttC already has the suggested reward (one more card added to the end of the event allowing you to make a pro version of the final reward, but the only way to get it is to buy more game nights).
                  QG Tier: Legendary++
                  Season Tier: Epic
                  MVP: Legendary Pro MVP Curry
                  Lineup:
                  PG: Foil Legendary Pro MVP Stephen Curry
                  SG: Foil Epic Pro George Gervin
                  SF: Foil Legendary Pro LeBron James
                  PF: Foil Epic Pro Larry Johnson
                  C : Foil Epic Pro Robert Parish

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                  • vauux
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 177

                    #54
                    Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                    Just want to add this since Brad is reading it. Everyone is still tanking in star seasons because nobody wants to waste the time for pity credits. How many people telling you to change the reward structure will it take before you guys actually have a discussion about it and do something for the players?

                    Can't believe this has been going on for this long already, what are you waiting on? What can WE do to convince YOU that WE do not want this?

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                    • uncsteve53
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 389

                      #55
                      Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                      Originally posted by vauux
                      Just want to add this since Brad is reading it. Everyone is still tanking in star seasons because nobody wants to waste the time for pity credits. How many people telling you to change the reward structure will it take before you guys actually have a discussion about it and do something for the players?

                      Can't believe this has been going on for this long already, what are you waiting on? What can WE do to convince YOU that WE do not want this?
                      NWgamedad has already said they are not changing the reward structure for seasons
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                      • Dextro
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2015
                        • 1983

                        #56
                        Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                        Originally posted by uncsteve53
                        NWgamedad has already said they are not changing the reward structure for seasons

                        And thanks to this we do have guys in legendary seasons with Star decks who want to grab the 400 credits.
                        The struggle is real - but you can also complain about the rain in London. It doesn't matter


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                        • Sir Master Tim
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2015
                          • 340

                          #57
                          Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                          Originally posted by uncsteve53
                          NWgamedad has already said they are not changing the reward structure for seasons
                          CD representatives also said they make changes to help the players. Do you believe that to? Nothing is ever permanent. Guarantee if enough players stop playing something will change. Anyone who says to "just quit then" wont have to worry because CD is slip up or 2 away from massive losses.

                          Originally posted by Dextro
                          And thanks to this we do have guys in legendary seasons with Star decks who want to grab the 400 credits.
                          The struggle is real - but you can also complain about the rain in London. It doesn't matter


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                          Complain about it? Man I love the rain.

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                          • jjyergler
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2015
                            • 48

                            #58
                            Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                            If you have the time, read it and if you would spend if they did what I suggest, then tell them that. The more people who say they will spend and support CD for that sort of improvement, the more likely they are to do it.
                            I didn't explicitly tell them that, but figured it was in the context of what I said, but let me explicitly say this: If you make it so that I can't improve my deck in any appreciable way through RC or RttC, I'll simply stop buying HS packs and not worry about those events. My participation will be in seasons only and I'll play thirty or so QG every day to get energy cards. You'll see my spending go to zero.

                            If you listen to us, your customers, we'll keep spending what we can on the game.

                            If you keep patronizing us and insulting our intelligence, we'll move on to other ways to spend our time.

                            Also, I want to apologize. Syd, BeegDawg, Twista, I didn't mean to imply that you guys have no life. I don't have the time or money to spend that you guys do. Poor choice of words on my part. Sorry.

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                            • Dextro
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2015
                              • 1983

                              #59
                              Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                              Originally posted by Sir Master Tim
                              CD representatives also said they make changes to help the players. Do you believe that to? Nothing is ever permanent. Guarantee if enough players stop playing something will change. Anyone who says to "just quit then" wont have to worry because CD is slip up or 2 away from massive losses.


                              Complain about it? Man I love the rain.

                              Not that it matter, but if I do see too much nerfing in the next weeks I am definitely done with it.
                              And I mean really, there were 70 pages of complaining in the update thread. There were several other threads and CD didn't care about it - even more, as it stands right now it looks like they still have some rabbits in their hats to make things even more worse.


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                              • ActionJack
                                Pro
                                • Mar 2014
                                • 586

                                #60
                                Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

                                I play seasons all the way through, and at least since CD upped the reward to 1000, it seems like all of my opponents do too.

                                Not saying it's perfect, but 1000 credits isn't exactly worthless. 400 was a joke, especially when CD tried to equate it with the loss of 2 extra Stars, but 1000 isn't that bad. I'd love to see it go up some, but people need to calm down on the rhetoric. It's really hard to tale some of you guys seriously with the CONSTANT bloviating. If you can't be even keeled.... ever... you come across like a maniac that isn't really worth listening to.

                                I've been very critical of CD, but I'll also be just as vocal about things I think they get right. If you complain about everything (and sound kinda bratty while doing so), I know I wouldn't listen too much.

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