CatDaddy, do you hate us?

[Dextro]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

Why hold off? Why not discussing about the rewards - as I mentioned in the other thread, nobody is expecting additional cards. You just have to adjust the credits rewards a bit (don't expect that they raise them) to make it useless in dropping down a tier, just because of the credits. Legendary players should play against legendary players, and not Star.


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[richie_r1ch]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

addressing the common bench may help with players dropping down a tier. As someone else suggested before, calculating the top 10 players only would make for fairer matchups.

If the bench is going to get calculated, then there should be some sort of bench round or added into the other quarters with enough points to make it matter. This way at least common benches will get slaughtered and will lose many close games.

I won't lie, I've used common benches a lot. Not to cheese but just like the 3/2 strategy, if you can't beat em, join em. If you have a proper bench you have a 0% chance of winning, and with the new rewards, it's just better to tank and not waste all that time knowing you have no shot.

[brad_nicholson]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

addressing the common bench may help with players dropping down a tier. As someone else suggested before, calculating the top 10 players only would make for fairer matchups.

If the bench is going to get calculated, then there should be some sort of bench round or added into the other quarters with enough points to make it matter. This way at least common benches will get slaughtered and will lose many close games.

I won't lie, I've used common benches a lot. Not to cheese but just like the 3/2 strategy, if you can't beat em, join em. If you have a proper bench you have a 0% chance of winning, and with the new rewards, it's just better to tank and not waste all that time knowing you have no shot.

one of the positives of adding an additional tier is that players interested in getting new cards will move up into that new tier. you should see some separation.

[seedykiwi]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

So you're going to fix it by not fixing it??

Makes sense...

[Dextro]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

one of the positives of adding an additional tier is that players interested in getting new cards will move up into that new tier. you should see some separation.

Please explain this - guys who are not able to compete in Star - as their deck is to weak - cannot move up to Playoff. Because if they could, they would play in Star and grab 1000 Credits instead of 400.
Exactly the same would happen, if you are to weak to play a playoff season, go for the Star season and get 1000 Credits.

Or do we miss anything, if so, then let us know.


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[SmartForce]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

one of the positives of adding an additional tier is that players interested in getting new cards will move up into that new tier. you should see some separation.

Is it going to be like the WWE game where only the winner of the season gets a Playoff card? If that's the current plan, let me strenuously suggest that you consider keeping the rewards breakdown the same as it is in Star since the change.

If you make it like the WWE game where only the winner gets a PO card, then you are just rewarding the "teams" that dominate the top-25 in the RC events (and who are at least breaking the spirit of fairness if not outright cheating), because nobody will be able to win a season against those lineups, and it's going to be basically impossible to go into a playoff season and not get trucked.

[richie_r1ch]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

one of the positives of adding an additional tier is that players interested in getting new cards will move up into that new tier. you should see some separation.

I get that, but that only works with players that can even compete in playoff tier. Everyone else in the lower tiers will still get abused by common benches, such as I am doing now in my Legendary season. I stand no chance in Star, but in Legendary everyone else doesn't stand a chance. There are much more players in the lower tiers, so I would think this would be a pretty big issue.

[ActionJack]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

Not sure why people are complaining about 3/2 nerf, and especially calling its removal a lessening in "strategy". Running a 3/2 lineup (which I do) is the complete circumvention of strategy. You literally don't have to think at all. What's strategic about that?

Removing 3/2 will affect everyone equally, except for the FEW players that have full RC Pro or HOF/P&P Pro lineups. That is a TINY number of players. Even if you have a 5 MVP lineup, you'll still get trounced in +5 games by Syd, Team Terminator, etc.

This does leave an advantage for a few players... but it's an advantage for players that A) have paid and played a LOT. Haven't they earned that advantage?

And B) they already place highest in RC all the time anyway. What's changing?

Seems like people just love to complain. Not much is changing. RC+5's are gonna be really hard going forward, as they were always intended to be. I don't see why that's a terrible thing.

And just one point.. people seem to be hung up on progressing in this game, relative to other people. Seems like there is an underlying theme behind a lot of posts, that people don't feel like they can catch up, and they'll always be behind.

Ok..

1. Not sure why it's a bad thing that people that pay/play more are ahead. Seems logical.

2. This game is HARDLY competitive. Progression against other players barely even matters. Every game mode, except RttC chooses your opponents on a curve relative to your current level. Why does it even matter if players are "ahead" of you? You don't even have to face them. RC is the most "competitive" mode, but even that isn't competitive in terms of our decks. You can win RC with an all common deck.

I think if people just progressed how they progress, and stopped worrying about how others are progressing (because, pragmatically, it has almost zero to do with how each of us play the game for ourselves), they'd be a lot happier.

[SlightlySnaked]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

one of the positives of adding an additional tier is that players interested in getting new cards will move up into that new tier. you should see some separation.

So when should we expect this new tier, Brad?

-Snake

[sraven]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

So when should we expect this new tier, Brad?

-Snake

Probably When the playoffs are over ... Would also like to know the rewards for the new po season but i guess they wont tell. It will be like the Last Update and people will light up These torches When they read the changes.

[Melcho]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

the personal attacks, tho? leave that at home. if you want responses, ya gotta be civil.

Hopefully you didn't take "B Rad" personally? It was meant completely in jest


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[Poetic]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

Yeah. I'm obviously not very happy with some stuff and quite passionate about the game. But these personal attacks are annoying.



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[Sir Master Tim]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

I hope I don't offend anyone when I say this

[JazzHands]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

B Rad. Can I call you B Rad? Lemme call you B Rad.

I think what frustrates a lot of players here is that loopholes, vulnerabilities and exploits are closed before the masses get a chance to have a crack at them.

Cases in point:

a. Scripts: The fix came way too late and people running these had progressed way ahead already and made a stack of credits off the AH with their illegitimate cards

b. 3 Star Season Rewards & horrible season matchmaking: You weren't around then but lots of users used to just post saying "I'm starting a star season, stay out", they would try their best to be faced with less human opponents (bots were easier to beat), they'd then cash in 3 stars every 4-5 days (3 Stars - it seems insane now!) and sell them on the AH. Those credits were then used to strengthen their lineups (again, to beat who? bots?) and so on.

c. 3/2 lineup: It's pretty much become the norm really, especially for RC. I agree with what someone said in the main thread. Winning +5 games should be high risk high reward sort of scenario, but instead +5 with 3/2 and hot streaks is pretty much the norm.

Now, you combine those 3 points above and you have the perfect storm:

A player who scripted their way to many games played/wins or demolished star seasons very early, and all the while used those gains to sell lots and lots of cards early on, then used these credits for Hot Streaks to fund RCs and RttCs as well as the best packs.

These players are few and far between and most aren't a complete mix of traits I outlined above, but regardless they are miles ahead now and the rest don't have the same 'generous' opportunities to catch up.

Now. I agree with the 3 fixes outlined above, but what I would say, is that these should've been in place since day 1 and you probably wouldn't be dealing with the criticism as much. That said I understand hindsight is 20/20. And as a developer myself that has built websites, games, and competitions used by hundreds of thousands of users I understand that sometimes real world scale reveals patterns and issues that never arose in testing/staging.

Ultimately the player base, this forum and gameplay stats will probably tell you that you guys have built a hell of a game, for something so simple it is quite addictive and fun, particularly for us NBA fans and ex card collectors. So good job there!

My thoughts are that a lot of 'lower' players are just not thrilled that all these opportunities afforded earlier are being closed and as a result some 'fairness' is lost. Thus, the game seems to be being made 'harder' for them, but in actual fact all you guys are trying to do is fix exploits that shouldn't have been there in the first place.

This is exactly how I feel. I thought that as a player who doesn't throw heaps of $ on the app it would just take me more time to get to the point where I'd think, "ok, my deck is close to being perfect". But you just keep nerving the avenues that other players have been able to exploit before I got here and I just feel screwed. Anyway, nice to see that one of the top players understands what is the issue for us "sunday grinders".

[Ultim8]

Re: CatDaddy, do you hate us?

I uninstalled the game a few weeks ago. I can't even describe how much better I feel now. So much time wasted on basically nothing.