Card Pack Prices/Structure

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It would be nice if you would state the odds of pulling each rarity in the pack descriptions, because without reading this post I would assume the odds of pulling a Star Card are the same in a Record Setter pack as in a HOF/All Star pack. The wording is exactly the same in all packs so it's misleading for the odds to be different.

I hate to defend CD here but the reason I wouldn't post drop rates is because most people here don't take sample size into account. Let's say the drop rate is 10% on the highest pack, you're going to get people post "I bought 10 packs and didn't get a Star" not factoring you would need thousands of pulls to have an accurate sample size. We have people that post enough about bugs as it is that have their info wrong. That being said it would be nice to have an expected drop rate with a 10% range so something like 10-20% of packs would have a Star

[Souf sia 4 lia]

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Either you stay away from packs or decide to spend on them and roll the dice. That's how it has always been. There's always 2 sides of a coin. Someone might pull 2 or 3 stars out the pack and all of sudden it's a great investment. You just never know with these sort of things.

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Either you stay away from packs or decide to spend on them and roll the dice. That's how it has always been. There's always 2 sides of a coin. Someone might pull 2 or 3 stars out the pack and all of sudden it's a great investment. You just never know with these sort of things.

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Exactly, a lot of people don't understand that though

[reterogherta]

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Why not something more vague but still giving you an idea of which packs are more likely to include Stars?
Similar to how it's done in 2k16 MyTeam packs...
Deluxe Pack - "With a small chance at pulling a Star Card"
Record Setters Pack - "With a higher chance at pulling a Star Card"
All Star/HOF Pack - "With the highest chance at pulling a Star Card"

[plotting]

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Why not something more vague but still giving you an idea of which packs are more likely to include Stars?
Similar to how it's done in 2k16 MyTeam packs...
Deluxe Pack - "With a small chance at pulling a Star Card"
Record Setters Pack - "With a higher chance at pulling a Star Card"
All Star/HOF Pack - "With the highest chance at pulling a Star Card"

Because unless someone can tangibly see what small, higher and highest are they are going to be mad about that too

[Souf sia 4 lia]

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Why not something more vague but still giving you an idea of which packs are more likely to include Stars?
Similar to how it's done in 2k16 MyTeam packs...
Deluxe Pack - "With a small chance at pulling a Star Card"
Record Setters Pack - "With a higher chance at pulling a Star Card"
All Star/HOF Pack - "With the highest chance at pulling a Star Card"

It would likely skew pack purchases and anything bad for business is a non starter for CD. The only thing negotiable IMO is pricing, which I agree the packs are overpriced. But asking for a guarantee is silly. You don't walk into a casino and ask for a guarantee pull on a slot machine just because you've been feeding it all day. Not gonna happen.

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[plotting]

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It would likely skew pack purchases and anything bad for business is a non starter for CD. The only thing negotiable IMO is pricing, which I agree the packs are overpriced. But asking for a guarantee is silly. You don't walk into a casino and ask for a guarantee pull on a slot machine just because you've been feeding it all day. Not gonna happen.

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I agree, I think cutting prices by 25% would net them more picks, I wouldn't spend 3200 on a pack, just ridiculous

[JaysinSeason]

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I understand you may disagree with the pricing, but let's get the facts correct on the prices. With the Star tier release we did not increase the price of *any* of the packs. We upgraded all of them to drop higher tier cards, and the ones that used to drop Legendary cards now drop Star cards. We did add two new packs for 5000 Credits for the Hall of Fame and All-Star cards which have a higher chance of dropping Star cards than the other packs, but all of the packs that existed before did not get an increase in price.



We purposely did that this year to prevent the price escalations we had to do last year on packs. Last year it had to be done because of the AH and the fact we had only one currency. This year the two currency model allowed us to keep pack prices the same between tiers.

Lmao @ justifying the pack prices last year. Nothing's changed, at this point on the game last year packs cost the same. You're telling me you don't plan on having packs up to 15k credits this year also? I highly doubt that.

Case and point is this game is not free to play in the sense every other game is. Free players can not get to the same point as paying players because you put a cap on what we can draft.

You hype star tier and drag out legendary tier for far too long only to release it with 7 sub tiers and the best we can draft so happens to be at the bottom of the order.

Seasons now only give a 1/3 chance to be worthwhile for a win compared to second and now most free players won't even make it to the rounds where a star is rewarded.

I can't believe the direction this great game is being taken. For 14,000 $$ I could max out an account in boom beach/clash of clans. For 14,000 $$ here I can have a full line up of irrelevant record setter legends.

I've never seen a company so disconnected from the players perspective in my life. I also have zero idea why guys like you and ronnie2k are employed as mascots for companies when you're essentially nothing but a virus pushing paying players away with your blatant lies and disrespect.

This is coming from a player who over the years has spent thousands on this game. Everyone I know in this game agrees and at this pace I hope to see this company bankrupt with a couple bums (such as yourself) working the meal line at your local soup kitchen.


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[Bad boy K]

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Lmao @ justifying the pack prices last year. Nothing's changed, at this point on the game last year packs cost the same. You're telling me you don't plan on having packs up to 15k credits this year also? I highly doubt that.

Case and point is this game is not free to play in the sense every other game is. Free players can not get to the same point as paying players because you put a cap on what we can draft.

You hype star tier and drag out legendary tier for far too long only to release it with 7 sub tiers and the best we can draft so happens to be at the bottom of the order.

Seasons now only give a 1/3 chance to be worthwhile for a win compared to second and now most free players won't even make it to the rounds where a star is rewarded.

I can't believe the direction this great game is being taken. For 14,000 $$ I could max out an account in boom beach/clash of clans. For 14,000 $$ here I can have a full line up of irrelevant record setter legends.

I've never seen a company so disconnected from the players perspective in my life. I also have zero idea why guys like you and ronnie2k are employed as mascots for companies when you're essentially nothing but a virus pushing paying players away with your blatant lies and disrespect.

This is coming from a player who over the years has spent thousands on this game. Everyone I know in this game agrees and at this pace I hope to see this company bankrupt with a couple bums (such as yourself) working the meal line at your local soup kitchen.


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I agree completely. I've never seen any other game force players to spend cash to participate. You literally can't compete without spending money. The game is a trap. All of the sudden lower tier seasons don't offer the next tier card as a prize for winning a season!!! But the absolute worst is the fact that none of the sub tier cards can be pulled from draft boards or sold. I can't stress enough how depressed I am that I have 16 legendary cards that are completely useless, beyond my 25 leg pros for rttc... All of that work and time for absolutely nothing. All of those season wins didn't help me in the next tier. That is disrespectful to my loyalty. Another person willing to spend money can come in right now and have as strong of a deck if not stronger than mine. and I've been playing for months now. I wish this app was treated like a game instead of a platform to brag about spending money on nothing. Spending money should give you back time you would have spent on the game, not give you access to a whole other game with in the game, that you couldn't otherwise access without cash...

[Adam_19]

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Lmao @ justifying the pack prices last year. Nothing's changed, at this point on the game last year packs cost the same. You're telling me you don't plan on having packs up to 15k credits this year also? I highly doubt that.

Case and point is this game is not free to play in the sense every other game is. Free players can not get to the same point as paying players because you put a cap on what we can draft.

You hype star tier and drag out legendary tier for far too long only to release it with 7 sub tiers and the best we can draft so happens to be at the bottom of the order.

Seasons now only give a 1/3 chance to be worthwhile for a win compared to second and now most free players won't even make it to the rounds where a star is rewarded.

I can't believe the direction this great game is being taken. For 14,000 $$ I could max out an account in boom beach/clash of clans. For 14,000 $$ here I can have a full line up of irrelevant record setter legends.

I've never seen a company so disconnected from the players perspective in my life. I also have zero idea why guys like you and ronnie2k are employed as mascots for companies when you're essentially nothing but a virus pushing paying players away with your blatant lies and disrespect.

This is coming from a player who over the years has spent thousands on this game. Everyone I know in this game agrees and at this pace I hope to see this company bankrupt with a couple bums (such as yourself) working the meal line at your local soup kitchen.


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It amazes me how 2k allow themselves to be associated with such a shady company like cash daddy I would expect better from them. RTTC was the last straw when he says it's mathematically possible to complete without spending but he fails to mention that would involve not sleeping for 4 days and who in their right mind would do that for a card on a game that has no actual value.

[ThisGoddzIlla]

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At least with last years game you won the actual currency you needed the most. Now with no chance to win credits and only RP you would have to spend on certain things.

[NWGameDad]

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It would be nice if you would state the odds of pulling each rarity in the pack descriptions, because without reading this post I would assume the odds of pulling a Star Card are the same in a Record Setter pack as in a HOF/All Star pack. The wording is exactly the same in all packs so it's misleading for the odds to be different.

We don't disclose the odds in packs just like we don't disclose the drop rate info from the draft board. Many games do not include this information either so this isn't that unusual.


I will say our pack descriptions are not all identical and the Hall of Fame and All-Star Packs both say"...with your best chance at top rarity cards!" So we do indicate both of these packs have better chances.

[NWGameDad]

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Lmao @ justifying the pack prices last year. Nothing's changed, at this point on the game last year packs cost the same. You're telling me you don't plan on having packs up to 15k credits this year also? I highly doubt that.

Case and point is this game is not free to play in the sense every other game is. Free players can not get to the same point as paying players because you put a cap on what we can draft.

You hype star tier and drag out legendary tier for far too long only to release it with 7 sub tiers and the best we can draft so happens to be at the bottom of the order.

Seasons now only give a 1/3 chance to be worthwhile for a win compared to second and now most free players won't even make it to the rounds where a star is rewarded.

I can't believe the direction this great game is being taken. For 14,000 $$ I could max out an account in boom beach/clash of clans. For 14,000 $$ here I can have a full line up of irrelevant record setter legends.

I've never seen a company so disconnected from the players perspective in my life. I also have zero idea why guys like you and ronnie2k are employed as mascots for companies when you're essentially nothing but a virus pushing paying players away with your blatant lies and disrespect.

This is coming from a player who over the years has spent thousands on this game. Everyone I know in this game agrees and at this pace I hope to see this company bankrupt with a couple bums (such as yourself) working the meal line at your local soup kitchen.


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Despite your derogatory tone I will respond to some of the allegations. I will say this site has rules against personal attacks, so I suggest you go read those rules before posting again.


To your point about pack pricing, no I do not expect prices of packs to get anywhere near where we had to go last year. Last year with the single currency system, players had accumulated enormous amounts of currency, so we were not expecting real money to be used to buy the very high priced packs. We knew how much players had stored up and the prices were in line with those amounts.


This year we have a much easier time pricing the Credit packs because we know exactly where those Credits are coming from. This is exactly why we didn't change pack prices with the Star Tier release and simply upgraded them without escalating the price. There was no need to do it.


As for free players being locked out, there are only 2 themes of cards that a free player cannot acquire, Rookie Stars and Throwback Thursday cards. Even those may make an appearance in a future event or Skybox which are both accessible by free players. All of the other cards are accessible for free players if they sacrifice time. Event cards can be won by free players. Record Setters, Hall of Fame and All-Stars can be won in Star Seasons. So your argument that free players are locked out is simply untrue.


If you're expecting to have the *same* experience as someone that pays money then you will be disappointed. Someone that spends money will not have to spend as much time on certain things. They may get them faster, but that is the advantage of spending money. As with all free to play games, spending money does get you an advantage. This isn't much different than real life.

[JaysinSeason]

Card Pack Prices/Structure

Despite your derogatory tone I will respond to some of the allegations. I will say this site has rules against personal attacks, so I suggest you go read those rules before posting again.

This is the tone you get when you treat your loyal customers like children

To your point about pack pricing, no I do not expect prices of packs to get anywhere near where we had to go last year. Last year with the single currency system, players had accumulated enormous amounts of currency, so we were not expecting real money to be used to buy the very high priced packs. We knew how much players had stored up and the prices were in line with those amounts.

In other words, you introduced an auction house system where people could finally reap the rewards of grinding so you essentially needed to set the prices ridiculously high to ensure the hard work couldn't pay off like they planned.

You still offered the option to pay real money for credits knowing very well itd cost thousands to see any pay off. You were robbing the players then like you are now.

This year we have a much easier time pricing the Credit packs because we know exactly where those Credits are coming from. This is exactly why we didn't change pack prices with the Star Tier release and simply upgraded them without escalating the price. There was no need to do it.

you increased the top pack by almost 60%

As for free players being locked out, there are only 2 themes of cards that a free player cannot acquire, Rookie Stars and Throwback Thursday cards. Even those may make an appearance in a future event or Skybox which are both accessible by free players. All of the other cards are accessible for free players if they sacrifice time. Event cards can be won by free players. Record Setters, Hall of Fame and All-Stars can be won in Star Seasons. So your argument that free players are locked out is simply untrue.

You killed rttc for free players by increasing the points required without increasing the duration. Do you honestly believe anyone is going to finish this rttc without spending real money? You'd have to either have a bot or a couple friends taking shifts. If the points required 2 weeks ago for what was the best card in the game at the time was sufficient how come we need to do an extra 40% grinding for the top card this week? When you release a new tier you essentially lower the previous not raise the current.

Everything this company is doing is screaming 'pay me!' And they have a mascot on the sidelines telling us it's good for the players.

If you're expecting to have the *same* experience as someone that pays money then you will be disappointed. Someone that spends money will not have to spend as much time on certain things. They may get them faster, but that is the advantage of spending money. As with all free to play games, spending money does get you an advantage. This isn't much different than real life.

Hard work is supposed to pay off. Paying for an advantage should strictly be a time advantage. That doesn't mean placing the top rated star cards behind a pay wall or incredibly flawed season match making is the fair route. Why even have higher rated stars? You essentially kill the market and drive to grind.

It all spells out one word. Greed. My tone will change when your companies business practices change. This company deserves all the terrible comments it receives.


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[Elite1216]

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Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't HOF and MVP packs (both star level) roughly $40 in last year's app? And those packs gave you 1 guaranteed HOF.

This year, how much does the chance to get a HOF card cost in dollars?