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  • cdogg777
    MVP
    • Dec 2009
    • 1117

    #1

    RTTC Points are too high

    (Disclaimer: Marino has outlined all of this in his blog)

    Let's say I have the very best lineup money can buy. 25 RS Star Pros in my RTTC lineup. I am unbeatable. I paid so much money for my deck. (hypothetical)

    RTTC comes along and the best I can do with my amazing deck is get 14 points each time I play. In order to finish I need a total of 4,326 points. That's about 76hours of game play, if you HS(+14) the entire way. There are only 80hours of RTTC game play.

    Most of us already know all of these numbers. I have to assume CD did the math too, but this is the most ridiculous point total I have seen.

    So RTTC is 3 nights of sleep. And you can only miss 4hours. 4hours of sleep in 3nights just to finish this phone app's event. Or spend cash on game nights.

    This needs to change.

    Now I agree that the last few RTTC almost everyone was finishing and getting all the good cards. So each season everyone's top 10 was the exact same. This needed to be fixed. But putting the best cards behind a paywall was NOT the way to fix it.

    I don't expect you(CD) to use my suggestions as they benefit the players and not the e-wallet. But here they are none the less.

    Instead of 4hours of sleep over 3days, a much more health aware number is 6hours per night, so 18. So the idea is to get rid of 14hours of game nights. And possibly raise the difficulty of the cards.

    Here's what I don't understand with the philosophy of how the RTTC is laid out. When Leg was the very best tier and best cards you could get, each tier costs a certain amount. Now you raised a tier, so leg is no longer the best, and likewise SR is one tier worse than before. But your point totals didn't reflect this change in hierarchy. In my very humble opinion, every single card tier total needs to be lowered with the addition of a new top tier. If 448 was the acceptable cost to achieve the top tier, why did you all the sudden make it more than DOUBLE that amount for the final star card? Was this a temporary money grab to take advantage of a new exciting tier? That's a low blow.

    With the current timelines, the total points needed to finish should be closer to 3500.

    A really easy fix might be to just keep the same structure and simply add one more day to RTTC. (Maybe take one day away from RC too)

    Final thoughts(for now). People have sued McDonalds for their coffee being too hot.....And won...millions of dollars. What if someone stays up 3nights in a row because that is what your event requires...and something happens to that someone. Obviously this is not directly your fault, but who doesn't know coffee is hot? Is this really a risk worth taking? You are giving us literally no other choice. And in no way do I mean this as a threat obviously, just another reason to lighten it up a bit.

    /endrant
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  • anditbeg1ns
    Pro
    • Nov 2015
    • 591

    #2
    RTTC Points are too high

    For what's it's worth, plenty of people have finished the last RTTC, I am facing a bunch of them at +5 this RC. Many the free players finished a 3 spec Tayshaun pretty easily, which is nothing to scoff at.

    I think from CD's perspective, the reason they made the RTTC card better than RC card is because they could put it behind a pay wall, and those cards are the best in the game. RC cards are one tier down, follow by a 3 spec card as the second to last card in RTTC. In other words, the best card in the game is realistically behind a pay wall, but the second and third best cards could be realistically won by free players without spending money.


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    • plotting
      Rookie
      • Jan 2016
      • 271

      #3
      Re: RTTC Points are too high

      I don't think you can compare playing an online game to buying coffee that is too hot lol. I'd like to see them allow you to skip the R and SR cards if your RTTC lineup is Star or better, wouldn't make as big of a difference as what your suggesting but it's still nice. As for the sleep issue you can set an alarm every hour if you're that concerned and you'd get more than 3 hours of sleep. I don't get you guys, complain when it's too easy, complain when it's too hard. No matter what they do the collective community isn't going to be happy. There ARE games where items are not accessible unless you pay money. You SHOULD be rewarded for spending money.
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      • anditbeg1ns
        Pro
        • Nov 2015
        • 591

        #4
        Re: RTTC Points are too high

        Originally posted by plotting
        I don't think you can compare playing an online game to buying coffee that is too hot lol. I'd like to see them allow you to skip the R and SR cards if your RTTC lineup is Star or better, wouldn't make as big of a difference as what your suggesting but it's still nice. As for the sleep issue you can set an alarm every hour if you're that concerned and you'd get more than 3 hours of sleep. I don't get you guys, complain when it's too easy, complain when it's too hard. No matter what they do the collective community isn't going to be happy. There ARE games where items are not accessible unless you pay money. You SHOULD be rewarded for spending money.

        Yes I absolutely agree. If CD made the best cards in the game accessible to everyone, then the money spenders would have less incentive spend money.


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        • cdogg777
          MVP
          • Dec 2009
          • 1117

          #5
          Re: RTTC Points are too high

          Originally posted by anditbeg1ns
          For what's it's worth, plenty of people have finished the last RTTC, I am facing a bunch of them at +5 this RC. Many the free players finished a 3 spec Tayshaun pretty easily, which is nothing to scoff at.

          I think from CD's perspective, the reason they made the RTTC card better than RC card is because they could put it behind a pay wall, and those cards are the best in the game. RC cards are one tier down, follow by a 3 spec card as the second to last card in RTTC. In other words, the best card in the game is realistically behind a pay wall, but the second and third best cards could be realistically won by free players without spending money.


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          Whether or not people finished does not change the principal of the problem. And 99% of the people couldn't +7 Billups or Prince. Many couldn't even +5. So to say so many people finished Prince is just wrong. Of course there are some who did. But we are talking about an inherent problem with the RTTC structure, not whether or not people will spend money.
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          • Afiveshi
            Banned
            • Dec 2015
            • 75

            #6
            Re: RTTC Points are too high

            Originally posted by plotting
            I don't think you can compare playing an online game to buying coffee that is too hot lol. I'd like to see them allow you to skip the R and SR cards if your RTTC lineup is Star or better, wouldn't make as big of a difference as what your suggesting but it's still nice. As for the sleep issue you can set an alarm every hour if you're that concerned and you'd get more than 3 hours of sleep. I don't get you guys, complain when it's too easy, complain when it's too hard. No matter what they do the collective community isn't going to be happy. There ARE games where items are not accessible unless you pay money. You SHOULD be rewarded for spending money.
            Right and if you had basic comprehension skills you'd notice the main point here is that even if someone spent hundreds of pounds on RS star cards for a 25 card deck, you'd still not be able to sleep more than 4 hours a day without spending EVEN MORE on Game Nights, now say alright you buy Game Nights no biggie, you still have to spend RP on HS.

            At what point does it not become incentivising spending but demanding it?

            Honestly I'm happy with the game to the extent I prioritise it but all these people jumping out the woodworks brown nosing CD is fishy.

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            • cdogg777
              MVP
              • Dec 2009
              • 1117

              #7
              Re: RTTC Points are too high

              Originally posted by plotting
              I don't think you can compare playing an online game to buying coffee that is too hot lol. I'd like to see them allow you to skip the R and SR cards if your RTTC lineup is Star or better, wouldn't make as big of a difference as what your suggesting but it's still nice. As for the sleep issue you can set an alarm every hour if you're that concerned and you'd get more than 3 hours of sleep. I don't get you guys, complain when it's too easy, complain when it's too hard. No matter what they do the collective community isn't going to be happy. There ARE games where items are not accessible unless you pay money. You SHOULD be rewarded for spending money.
              As has been explained here many times. You should be rewarded with time.

              A free player should realistically be able to obtain the same things as a paid player can. He just needs to spend more time and effort. You are confusing 2 very different types of games. Free2Play and Pay2Win. Most game markets don't want to be in the pay2win category as their games do not last very long.

              Go look at how blizzard does F2P games.
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              • anditbeg1ns
                Pro
                • Nov 2015
                • 591

                #8
                Re: RTTC Points are too high

                Originally posted by cdogg777
                Whether or not people finished does not change the principal of the problem. And 99% of the people couldn't +7 Billups or Prince. Many couldn't even +5. So to say so many people finished Prince is just wrong. Of course there are some who did. But we are talking about an inherent problem with the RTTC structure, not whether or not people will spend money.

                No, you are construing the facts here. To finish Prince, you only needed ~3300 pts to do so, which is very realistic without spending on GN. The fact that many people didn't finish is because their deck wasn't quite there yet, which is expected because this was the first week of star RTTC. But going forward, more and more people should be able to finish the 3 spec cards of RTTC's. So if your complain was they didn't lower the difficulty for the first RTTC, I'd agree, but the pt structure isn't the problem here. There is a difference between the 2.


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                • cdogg777
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1117

                  #9
                  Re: RTTC Points are too high

                  Originally posted by anditbeg1ns
                  No, you are construing the facts here. To finish Prince, you only needed ~3300 pts to do so, which is very realistic without spending on GN. The fact that many people didn't finish is because their deck wasn't quite there yet, which is expected because this was the first week of star RTTC. But going forward, more and more people should be able to finish the 3 spec cards of RTTC's. So if your complain was they didn't lower the difficulty for the first RTTC, I'd agree, but the pt structure isn't the problem here. There is a difference between the 2.


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                  I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore. The point is that the entire point total to finish is too high. The difficulty is irrelevant at this point. I even said in my post that I was okay with raising the difficulty. My scenario was a deck with 25 RS Pros. So people finishing Prince has nothing at all to do with what I am saying. I was just defending the fact that you claim all these people did, when 99% of decks couldn't even +7 so hardly anyone had time to finish prince at +5 all the way.
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                  • anditbeg1ns
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 591

                    #10
                    Re: RTTC Points are too high

                    Originally posted by cdogg777
                    I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore. The point is that the entire point total to finish is too high. The difficulty is irrelevant at this point. I even said in my post that I was okay with raising the difficulty. My scenario was a deck with 25 RS Pros. So people finishing Prince has nothing at all to do with what I am saying. I was just defending the fact that you claim all these people did, when 99% of decks couldn't even +7 so hardly anyone had time to finish prince at +5 all the way.

                    How is difficulty irrelevant? You are saying 99% of people didn't finish Prince, but the reason they didn't finish is because of the difficulty, as they could have easily finished in the given time of the event of they could have +14 the whole way.

                    I finished Prince at +14 with only 3 star pros and RC KG, 1 star pro was a freebie, and other 2 was purchased from AH.

                    People could have finished Prince if they tried, but honestly I also think that many didn't even tried because they were discouraged that they knew they couldn't finish Ben.


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                    • Afiveshi
                      Banned
                      • Dec 2015
                      • 75

                      #11
                      Re: RTTC Points are too high

                      Hi Spencer what happened to that problem I emailed you about?

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                      • supahotfire1
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 214

                        #12
                        Re: RTTC Points are too high

                        Originally posted by anditbeg1ns
                        How is difficulty irrelevant? You are saying 99% of people didn't finish Prince, but the reason they didn't finish is because of the difficulty, as they could have easily finished in the given time of the event of they could have +14 the whole way.

                        I finished Prince at +14 with only 3 star pros and RC KG, 1 star pro was a freebie, and other 2 was purchased from AH.

                        People could have finished Prince if they tried, but honestly I also think that many didn't even tried because they were discouraged that they knew they couldn't finish Ben.


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                        He is not talking about getting the 2nd best card in rttc. He is stating that you cant FINISH rttc without spending money on gamenights.... difficulty is irrelevant because you have NO TIME OR NO SLEEP even when you +14 all the way

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                        • anditbeg1ns
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2015
                          • 591

                          #13
                          Re: RTTC Points are too high

                          Originally posted by Afiveshi
                          Hi Spencer what happened to that problem I emailed you about?

                          Lol anyone who tries to state an opinion different than yours gets labeled as a brown noser or works for CD. Real mature dude.

                          Btw Bobby, daddy's getting a sitter for you while mommy and I are going out tonight. You should play with that Frozen doll set I got you with the sitter.


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                          • anditbeg1ns
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 591

                            #14
                            RTTC Points are too high

                            Originally posted by supahotfire1
                            He is not talking about getting the 2nd best card in rttc. He is stating that you cant FINISH rttc without spending money on gamenights.... difficulty is irrelevant because you have NO TIME OR NO SLEEP even when you +14 all the way

                            I know he was, but then he construed the facts by bring up Prince and Billups and the fact that some people couldn't finished them. And I am simply stating that those two cards weren't behind a pay wall.


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                            • plotting
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 271

                              #15
                              Re: RTTC Points are too high

                              Originally posted by Afiveshi
                              Right and if you had basic comprehension skills you'd notice the main point here is that even if someone spent hundreds of pounds on RS star cards for a 25 card deck, you'd still not be able to sleep more than 4 hours a day without spending EVEN MORE on Game Nights, now say alright you buy Game Nights no biggie, you still have to spend RP on HS.

                              At what point does it not become incentivising spending but demanding it?

                              Honestly I'm happy with the game to the extent I prioritise it but all these people jumping out the woodworks brown nosing CD is fishy.
                              I like how you tried to turn this into a personal attack on me, I clearly comprehend what he's saying but almost everyone here complained about people having the same decks and CD made it extremely hard, very unlikely, but not impossible, to get all RTTC cards this time and you still complain. What it sounds like is people want themselves and their friends to get it but no one else. To your point about only having 4 hours of sleep, if you really want you can set an alarm every hour to wake up and play the 4-5 games which takes maybe 15 minutes so if you do that you're losing 2-3 hours a night with the time it takes to play and fall back to sleep, again VERY unlikely but not impossible.
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