Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

[mlp111]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

is this roster compatible with rookies, i want to try this out!

[ffpp]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Set his isolation tendency to 0 and make sure he doesn't have any isolation, high post plays in the player edit main screen.

Does his set of plays have any influence on his offball movement even if I never call plays for him ? I have only manual playcalling enabled.

[aloncho11]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

I think it affects player movement to some degree, because plays for players are also the ones he participates in (with off ball movement, screens, passing) and are not necessarily ones designed for him.

[ffpp]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Ok good, I will give it a try

[VCMan11]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Unzip the file and install them in the NBA 2k Saves folder.

I did this.. but how do I load it in game? When go to load it in-game, it doesn't show up..

[geisterhome]

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will you also release a "rerated" edition of the opening day roster, and make post patch adjustments to your slider sets if necessary, once they are out? for my part it would be highly appreciated since im really enjoy playing with your roster/slider!

[ffaacc03]

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Sim, can you please tell me how are the "simmed stats" of teams after your edits ? With default, they are nowhere near last season stats, or any other recent season.

Specifically:
- Teams ppg scored
- Teams ppg allowed
- Teams total shot attempts
- Teams 3s total shot attempts
- Teams FG%
- Teams 3s %
- Teams assists, blocks, steals

Also, players assists & blocks


I am an association/season hardcore fan so I look for a balanced experience in terms of gameplay and sim stats ... therefor I have done some editing (as usual), based on last year real teams/players data and scaling it into attributes and tendencies ... and as opposed to previous years, they dont reflect a better outcome within the sim engine (gameplay is good for the most part) ... to me, it seems that this year the sim engine was not considered or modify to handle the changes into 2k default formulas and even more, it seems completelly disassociated with "scaled values" ... like giving us the only choice of doing unscaled edits to force the engine into having better sim stats (which then becomes subjective and brakes the gameplay) ... and all this, aside from the bug that shows horrific stats for the teams a user plays with.

Really interested on what are you finding with your edits, within the sim engine.

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

I've been away from a few days, so to answer your questions:

I will check the team sim-stats when I get home. In previous simulations I've done with this roster, the individual stats were very realistic. The ratings are based off of formulas created with last year's stats, and the simulated results are usually very close. I haven't looked at team stats, but with individual stats being close, I'm assuming team stats should be.

I will make a set of post-patch sliders to match this roster set and have already tweaked the old roster set to get better results. In the new set, the defense is smarter, it's a little easier to hit jumpshots, and a little more difficult to score in the paint. I realized that with the old slider set, it was nearly automatic to score at the rim up to a few feet out no matter how many people were around or what type of shot I was taking, so I lowered the inside, close, layup, and contested shot success sliders while raising the inside shot contact slider to 100. The past few games I've played, the shots at the rim have been hit at around a 55-65 percent average (league average is 60) and scoring in the paint has been around 40-55 percent. The shooting percentage for me and the cpu inside the 3pt line has been around 50-55%.

I was going to post them tonight but I don't have wi-fi where I am, I (for the first time!) had the game crash, and I left my 2k disc at home. Ironically, it crashed when I paused the game I was playing so I could record the sliders and enter them manually. Oh, well. I'll probably post them tomorrow night after I get back home.

I will update the rosters based on upcoming transactions and will continue after the season starts IF there continues to be a flurry of action. This is probably going to be the busiest off-season ever. I can't promise a complete roster on opening day because there is no way I can get all rookies created without REDitor by then. There will be a roster released to match the opening day rosters, probably sometime in January. If Vlad gets it done in the next week or two, I can probably get it done by Christmas Day. We'll see.

Some good news: I redid the shot and touches tendencies for all the free agents. I didn't do a comprehensive overhaul of them because they all suck. I'm not going to waste my time editing players like Eddy Curry. If he gets enough playing time to notice the ratings and tendencies 2k gave him by default, you'll see him play like an idiot. Kind of like in real life.

I also finished re-editing the 64-65 Lakers and Celtics, the 95-96 Magic and the 95-96 Bulls, along with creating the 1st round draft picks up to Bismack Biyombo, I think. I got maybe 7-10 done. The two highest rated players were Irving at 75 (or 76) and Williams at 74. Nobody else cracked a 70. I haven't done Kemba yet, but I think he'll probably have over a 70 rating. In this year's game, if a PG has high speed and quickness ratings, they're almost guaranteed to be in the high 60's even if they are horrible everywhere else. Kemba will have good offensive awareness for a rookie (probably either 65 or 75), pretty decent shooting ratings, and a pretty high passing rating.

@ Vcman11 - Are you unzipping the file and putting both sliders files, the roster file, and the settings file in your Saves folder? That's the folder your computer accesses when looking for those files. If you're putting them there and you're game's not recognizing them, I don't know what to tell you. My guess is you're installing them in the Main 2k folder which is where all the .PNG and .IFF files are located. This is NOT where the roster file should go. Are you sure you're putting them in the Saves folder with the other roster and settings files you have?

[slimm44]

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Sim, can you please tell me how are the "simmed stats" of teams after your edits ? With default, they are nowhere near last season stats, or any other recent season.

Specifically:
- Teams ppg scored
- Teams ppg allowed
- Teams total shot attempts
- Teams 3s total shot attempts
- Teams FG%
- Teams 3s %
- Teams assists, blocks, steals

Also, players assists & blocks


I am an association/season hardcore fan so I look for a balanced experience in terms of gameplay and sim stats ... therefor I have done some editing (as usual), based on last year real teams/players data and scaling it into attributes and tendencies ... and as opposed to previous years, they dont reflect a better outcome within the sim engine (gameplay is good for the most part) ... to me, it seems that this year the sim engine was not considered or modify to handle the changes into 2k default formulas and even more, it seems completelly disassociated with "scaled values" ... like giving us the only choice of doing unscaled edits to force the engine into having better sim stats (which then becomes subjective and brakes the gameplay) ... and all this, aside from the bug that shows horrific stats for the teams a user plays with.

Really interested on what are you finding with your edits, within the sim engine.

I answered most of this in my previous post, but I forgot to add this: there's nothing that can be done about Blocks Per Game. I don't care what you do, the sim engine just won't give a player more than 2 or 2.5 blocks per game. With 2k going back into history and giving us all these classic players, it's somewhat frustrating that they didn't fix a sim engine that hasn't produced realistic block totals or averages for the past few years. If they would have put guys like Mark Eaton or Manute Bol (who are historical leaders in Block Percentage) to go along with Bill Russell (one of the best shot blockers ever but who played in a time where they didn't keep that stat) they would not get NEARLY as many blocks as they should.

Manute Bol had a block percentage of over 10% during a few seasons. That means when he was on the court, he blocked 10% of ALL OF THE OPPONENTS SHOT ATTEMPTS. That's absolutely ludicrous. By comparison, Dwight Howard's highest block percentage in a season EVER is 6.0. Mark Eaton's career average in that category is 6.9 and Manute had a 10.2% career average. Insane.

[slimm44]

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Question: If I posted my formulas to create ratings and tendencies and explained in detail how they worked, would you guys be willing to simply tell me what values you think the rookies should have? If so, it would speed up the process of creating rookies immensely and would make it much more likely to get this roster file out by opening day. All I would need to do is attach the right portrait and cyber face with REDitor when it's released. Until then, the player faces and models aren't perfect, but they're not too bad for an inexperienced player creator like me. It would look like this:

Kemba Walker
Height
Weight
Birthdate
College/Place From

Inside Shot
Close Shot
Mid Range Shot
3PT Shot
Free Throw
Etc.

Take Shot Tendency
Inside Shot Tendency
Close Shot Tendency
Mid Range Shot Tendency
3pt Shot Tendency
Etc.

Obviously, the ratings and tendencies would be in a complete list, the list would read just like you were looking at a player in the edit player screen, and each category would have a value next to it. Any takers?

[Thechrislayne]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Forgot all about this project!! I got really good results but, does anyone have a roster with the rooks?

[ffaacc03]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

I answered most of this in my previous post, but I forgot to add this: there's nothing that can be done about Blocks Per Game. I don't care what you do, the sim engine just won't give a player more than 2 or 2.5 blocks per game. With 2k going back into history and giving us all these classic players, it's somewhat frustrating that they didn't fix a sim engine that hasn't produced realistic block totals or averages for the past few years. If they would have put guys like Mark Eaton or Manute Bol (who are historical leaders in Block Percentage) to go along with Bill Russell (one of the best shot blockers ever but who played in a time where they didn't keep that stat) they would not get NEARLY as many blocks as they should.

Manute Bol had a block percentage of over 10% during a few seasons. That means when he was on the court, he blocked 10% of ALL OF THE OPPONENTS SHOT ATTEMPTS. That's absolutely ludicrous. By comparison, Dwight Howard's highest block percentage in a season EVER is 6.0. Mark Eaton's career average in that category is 6.9 and Manute had a 10.2% career average. Insane.

Thanks, then still looking for your updated report on your findings about simmed stats of teams. Here is were the sim engine seems broken or dissociated of scaled ratings and tendencies. To me, this year, is worse than ever.

Players stats are for the most part, "easy to fix", just with scaled ratings and tendencies ... there are few exceptions, the ones I listed and that you have now confirmed, such as blocks/assists/fg% ... which seems (being pretty optimistic) only partially fixable.

Again, thanks.

[slimm44]

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Thanks, then still looking for your updated report on your findings about simmed stats of teams. Here is were the sim engine seems broken or dissociated of scaled ratings and tendencies. To me, this year, is worse than ever.

Players stats are for the most part, "easy to fix", just with scaled ratings and tendencies ... there are few exceptions, the ones I listed and that you have now confirmed, such as blocks/assists/fg% ... which seems (being pretty optimistic) only partially fixable.

Again, thanks.

No problem. Did you check out the Google Document I posted at the beginning of this thread that gave the sim-stats for the teams that were done at the time compared with their real-life stats from last year? The link to the Google Doc is in post #2 and there is a post I made regarding a second simulation that included metric stats in post #20. I believe that the stats would be slightly more accurate if I could get the minutes in association to stay the same as they are set in the roster file (I only controlled one team when beginning the Association to save time).

I've been thinking lately about why some players have lower FG% during sims than they should and I think it may be related to their Shot In Traffic Rating, which is very low for nearly all players by default. I'll need to test the theory to check it out, but I think it may work.

[ffaacc03]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

No problem. Did you check out the Google Document I posted at the beginning of this thread that gave the sim-stats for the teams that were done at the time compared with their real-life stats from last year? The link to the Google Doc is in post #2 and there is a post I made regarding a second simulation that included metric stats in post #20. I believe that the stats would be slightly more accurate if I could get the minutes in association to stay the same as they are set in the roster file (I only controlled one team when beginning the Association to save time).

I've been thinking lately about why some players have lower FG% during sims than they should and I think it may be related to their Shot In Traffic Rating, which is very low for nearly all players by default. I'll need to test the theory to check it out, but I think it may work.

Shot in traffic does not affects siming ... only area shot attributes and tendencies.

That is a part of the sim engine disassociation of ratings ... all but 3pts are not related as they used to ... which btw, makes 3pfg% be very high under the default scale, as the engine does not considers the alteration made on that formula.

I took a look at the google data and seems good, then again, you should run a sim test of a season to see how are your edits translating within the sim engine ... and look for the specific team stats that I posted, since they seem to be the ones with the most issues for pre and post custom edits.

Thanks and sorry for this request, is just that I want confirmation (from a knowledgeable guy) of either a broken engine on this regards or possible solutions for this issues.

[slimm44]

Re: Realistic Rosters/Sliders/Coaching Tendencies *Complete Overhaul*

Just simulated a season. Here are the general team stats. Let me know what you want to see, specifically:

Best record - Mavs 57-25
Worst Record - Kings 21-61

Most PPG - Suns 105.1 Real Life - Den 107.5
Least PPG - Bobcats 87.9 Real Life - Bucks 91.9

Most PPG Allowed - Raptors 105.8 Real Life - Timberwolves 107.7
Least PPG Allowed - Bucks 88.4 Real Life - Celtics 91.1

Best FG% - Suns 46.7 Real Life - Celtics 48.6
Worst FG% - Cavs 40.8 Real Life - Bucks 43

Best 3pt% - Spurs 41.6 Real Life - Spurs 39.7
Worst 3pt% - Raptors 29.5 Real Life - Raptors 31.6

Most APG - Suns 21.2
Least APG - Bobcats 14.8

Most RPG - Pacers 48.4
Least RPG - Trailblazers 41.6

Sorry, but I've been gone since Friday and just got done driving around 300 miles to make it home. I don't feel like doing much more number crunching or research tonight. Again, if there's anything else specific that you want me to look for, let me know.