whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

[miraiii]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

@leftos: agreed...maybe its because current gen tech cant handle real physics...but i have to say fifa's or Madden's physics are far superior to 2ks...but im afraid most casual fan dont care about real life phyics...you pc guys are probably the hardest of the hard core...usually when i complain about phyics in sports games (in the 360 section i did that quite a bit) i get the "its just a videogame" phrase...but i want to have a real simulation...and the clipping and morphing breaks the immersion for me...

[Leftos]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

I understand, and that's exactly why I brought up FIFA 11 and Madden 13. Just do a search on YouTube for physics fails on FIFA 11 and Madden 13. The first iteration of a game that tries to implement RTP is bound to be half-enjoyable, and half-glitchy. Happened with FIFA 11, and I never saw most of these glitches again in FIFA 12. I was explaining this on Da Czar's show, when people complained about Madden 13's physics glitches.

From what I've seen, it looks really nice for 2K's and VC's first year. Give it a year, and I'm betting it'll be way better.

Clipping and morphing does break the immersion, but would you rather we still had cannimations over this first iteration of RTP? They have to take their first step in order to reach perfection, or whatever is close to that, don't they?

As you see, I don't give you the "it's just a videogame" answer. I'm a developer myself, and I've talked with people inside game development, I know the process, so I'm trying to give you an argument along with my answer.

[tcnumba10]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

In 2K12 there was a mod that game every player a branded shoe, no one wore any of those generic 2K shoes and also they had home and away colors too for the shoes!

Hopefully the modders can work their same magic in 2K13 since there's a problem with this already for those who have the 360 and PS3 copies already...

[Leftos]

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The problem with 2K13's shoe editor is the same it was with NIKE ID in 2K12. You can't pick a different shoe or different colorway for your home and away games. Only players who had their shoes set via Edit Player with Team Color 1 and 2 would have their shoes change colorways, if I remember correctly.

And yes, there was a a total shoe mod which had shoes for pretty much every player, in home and away versions, but still, you had to switch them manually depending on the game either via copy-paste or JSGME.

This won't be automated until 2K makes it so, but yes, home and away team shoe packs along with JSGME should alleviate that issue as long as you're willing to do the switch via JSGME.

[miraiii]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

@leftos: awesome talking to you in an adult fashion...is there a chance to listen to the czar show you mentioned above?

I not trying to knock to for using rtp...but it still is pretty far from standards of Fifa even Fifa 12. And i war really shocked by the Pass "Teleportation" after the mentioned in a dev diary that the ball is now "free" when in the air...this kinda makes this sound like a lie to me.

Are you a professional dev? I sincerly try not to disrespect the VC Team but i feel that they overpromised on some aspects of the game...i will keep supporting them but i cant be that hard to have to have player limbs react in a similar fashion they do in Fifa (haven't acually played madden 13 but what i saw on youtube look pretty impressive, aside from a few glitches)...

So, wraping up: its definitly nice have a bunch of grown ups to talk to

[tcnumba10]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

The problem with 2K13's shoe editor is the same it was with NIKE ID in 2K12. You can't pick a different shoe or different colorway for your home and away games. Only players who had their shoes set via Edit Player with Team Color 1 and 2 would have their shoes change colorways, if I remember correctly.

And yes, there was a a total shoe mod which had shoes for pretty much every player, in home and away versions, but still, you had to switch them manually depending on the game either via copy-paste or JSGME.

This won't be automated until 2K makes it so, but yes, home and away team shoe packs along with JSGME should alleviate that issue as long as you're willing to do the switch via JSGME.

Well mine automaticaly switched colors for home and away games for example Kobe wore white at home and black on the road without having me to manually edit his shoes before each game. I guess it also depends on the Roster you are using too since you had to change something in Reditor (purchased version)

[Leftos]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

@leftos: awesome talking to you in an adult fashion...is there a chance to listen to the czar show you mentioned above?

I not trying to knock to for using rtp...but it still is pretty far from standards of Fifa even Fifa 12. And i war really shocked by the Pass "Teleportation" after the mentioned in a dev diary that the ball is now "free" when in the air...this kinda makes this sound like a lie to me.

Are you a professional dev? I sincerly try not to disrespect the VC Team but i feel that they overpromised on some aspects of the game...i will keep supporting them but i cant be that hard to have to have player limbs react in a similar fashion they do in Fifa (haven't acually played madden 13 but what i saw on youtube look pretty impressive, aside from a few glitches)...

So, wraping up: its definitly nice have a bunch of grown ups to talk to

Not yet a professional dev, just wrapping up my Computer Engineering studies and looking for a Sofware Engineering or similar PhD to join. I've just been developing various programs and tools ever since I was 13.

As for the Czar show, the archive is on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/daczar. It should be either the August 24, or August 31 show when I mentioned that. I've been part of the panel ever since, except the last show when I was too exhausted to join (show starts at 2AM Greece Time, wraps up at 330AM).

You might want to listen in to the NLSC Podcast as well, where we've been discussing everything basketball gaming for 6 weeks now, and we also had a special episode interviewing Da Czar for an hour and a half, so a lot of good material there as well. Archive is on here: NLSC Podcast Archive

[Boge]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

Pros:
Graphics - framerate, resolution, textures, including mods
Mods - as stated above and then some
Price
Uh...optional keyboard controls? Not sure who'd prefer that, but it's optional, so it can't be a con.

Cons:
Missing features - No All Star weekend, No custom soundtracks, often old menus
Fewer players online
Very late updates - often times 2K will update the console versions in December, but not the PC version until like April!!

[HOLLIDAY1183]

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Question for Leftos or anyone familiar with these mods:

Perhaps I'm feeling a placebo effect as I haven't played 2K12 on my XB in awhile, but it certainly feels like the control is more responsive, in terms of having my player actually perform the action I input as close to a 1:1 feel as possible. I'm using the latest Ultimate Base Roster mod. It could very well be the players I'm using lol, as I've used only the '92 Dream Team, GP on the '95-'96 Sonics, and AI from Sixers of '96-'97; Magic, MJ, GP and AI are definitely super quick. But is it part of the mod that it's so responsive? It feels great to have actual explosiveness like this. I've already saved several replays of Magic and MJ straight dusting defenders on the perimeter.

Also, the Best Buy rep said something about an "SLI" setup. He said it may not be necessary for awhile, but that when the time comes or if I wanted even better performance I could pair two 560 Ti's side by side. At the moment he said it I had a pure "WTF" look on my face lol and he could tell, but I researched this a bit today and it is "scalable link interface" IIRC, and it sounds like esp with Nvidia cards this is a nice option. Thought on this? Because if it is what he described, I may do this sooner than later. Lol I'm already getting hooked on this PC stuff.

Apologize if I'm derailing the thread, just saw knowledgeable people in here posting.

[Mbalmer]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

Question for Leftos or anyone familiar with these mods:

Perhaps I'm feeling a placebo effect as I haven't played 2K12 on my XB in awhile, but it certainly feels like the control is more responsive, in terms of having my player actually perform the action I input as close to a 1:1 feel as possible. I'm using the latest Ultimate Base Roster mod. It could very well be the players I'm using lol, as I've used only the '92 Dream Team, GP on the '95-'96 Sonics, and AI from Sixers of '96-'97; Magic, MJ, GP and AI are definitely super quick. But is it part of the mod that it's so responsive? It feels great to have actual explosiveness like this. I've already saved several replays of Magic and MJ straight dusting defenders on the perimeter.

Also, the Best Buy rep said something about an "SLI" setup. He said it may not be necessary for awhile, but that when the time comes or if I wanted even better performance I could pair two 560 Ti's side by side. At the moment he said it I had a pure "WTF" look on my face lol and he could tell, but I researched this a bit today and it is "scalable link interface" IIRC, and it sounds like esp with Nvidia cards this is a nice option. Thought on this? Because if it is what he described, I may do this sooner than later. Lol I'm already getting hooked on this PC stuff.

Apologize if I'm derailing the thread, just saw knowledgeable people in here posting.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in what some guy at Best Buy is telling you about building computers, there are much, much, much better resources...

Sli can be a solid option, but my opinion is that you are always better running a top single card then running sli with an older generation card. Also, some games don't take full advantage of sli. 2k might, but I doubt it is worth it for this type of game (I haven't ever played 2k on the computer, this will be my first year) Sli is also going to require a better power supply and one that supports sli.

Can you give me a run down of your computer parts..Motherboard, RAM, specific graphics card, PSU, case, processor, what kind of cooling you are running, hard drive, etc. etc.

Don't run out and buy anything else at this point, please.

EDIT..If you don't mind me asking, what did you pay for the 560ti?? What is the return policy?

[HOLLIDAY1183]

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Can you give me a run down of your computer parts..Motherboard, RAM, specific graphics card, PSU, case, processor, what kind of cooling you are running, hard drive, etc. etc.

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit, HP tower
Intel Dual-Core 2.7Ghz
5GB RAM
Nvidia 560 Ti graphics card 1GB(just bought, previously was terrible GMA X4500 integrated gfx)
600W PSU (also just bought, to accommodate the 560)
750 GB hard drive, 1TB external drive

This is connected to a 55' Samsung LCD, 1080p native via HDMI.

Appreciate your input, completely new to PC building.

[Leftos]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

NBA 2K using SLI? For what? NBA 2K has always been an unoptimized CPU-heavy game, maxing out my E6750 dual-core while using just 30% of my GTX 460. So an SLI won't do you any good.

NBA 2K12 supposedly has it sweet spot for 60FPS on high on any decent dual-core with at least 3GHz and a decent graphics card.

Going for SLI right now would be overkill. Do not upgrade before your computer isn't playing games well enough, do not rush into buying things. Maybe by the time you actually come across trouble with framerate, you'd be better off buying a better single card than putting a second one of the same in SLI.

As Mbalmer said, not all games support or take much advantage of SLI, just like not all games are optimized to take advantage of all your CPU cores.

My opinion is wait until you play a few games, see how satisfied you are with the graphics and performance, and only if you have issues should you consider throwing more money onto your rig. Until then, have some fun with what you have. Don't get greedy, or you might regret it down the line.

Since we're talking NBA 2K, long story short, a good CPU is much more important for it than any graphics card set-up. As long as you're on a Core2Duo @3GHz or anything better than that (like a Quad Core or an i3/5/7), you should be fine with much worse graphics cards than the 560 that you got. The 560 will be utilized in other games, so you should get your money's worth if you start building a PC game collection, but I doubt NBA 2K13 will be any more optimized on the PC than any of its previous iterations.

EDIT: Just saw your reply. The 560Ti is kind of an overkill for your current processor. If it's a Core2Duo and you were more experienced, I'd suggest a safe overclock up to 3, 3.2GHz, but since you're new I highly recommend against that. If it's a Pentium D... then, your graphics card is definitely an overkill. Again, play some games and see what kind of performance you get, you should be fine with GPU-heavy games, but your CPU will end up becoming a bottleneck sooner or later depending on which games you decide to play.

An upgrade to an i3/5 could be in order at some point in the future, but again, don't rush to buy anything before you notice games aren't giving you the graphics/performance trade-off you're satisfied with.

[HOLLIDAY1183]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

Oh, just saw your post about the price of the 560Ti. It was $160 on "sale"

[HOLLIDAY1183]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

appreciate the advice leftos. Man, well I'm glad the girlfriend was with me, she helps to "slow things down" whenever I'm "toy shopping." The kid was talking as if an SLI setup would "automatically offer 2X the performance or better" on ANY game. Wow. And now that I think about it, he actually stated the opposite of what mbalmer advised, SMH, that an SLI setup is better than having even a vastly better single card due to how they will "intelligently share" tasks.

Thanks guys, I'll chill for a minute with this, as it is running 2K extremely smooth on high. But when I do start thinking about further upgrades, I'm coming here first. Much better than the $200/2 yr "tech support" BB tried to sell me, SMH.

And wow, so 2K is that resource-hungry relatively? Are they just being lazy?

[Mbalmer]

Re: whats the benefits of playing nba 2k on pc vs console?

Win 7 Home Premium 64bit, HP tower
Intel Dual-Core 2.7Ghz
5GB RAM
Nvidia 560 Ti graphics card 1GB(just bought, previously was terrible GMA X4500 integrated gfx)
600W PSU (also just bought, to accommodate the 560)
750 GB hard drive, 1TB external drive

This is connected to a 55' Samsung LCD, 1080p native via HDMI.

Appreciate your input, completely new to PC building.

Thanks for posting your components....I'm glad you got the card for 160, that is a good price..EVGA?

Also, with your current set up I wouldn't put anymore money into it until you decide that you want to run with pc gaming instead of (or in addition too) console gaming..Depending on the games you play, you might get away from console gaming all together...that is what has happened with me.

Save your money and start putting it toward a computer fund and then when you get some money put together, build a system with all new parts.

Check out overclock.net and pcpartpicker.com when the time comes to build..I knew nothing and built my first computer about 3 months ago.

This is my build that I did...I love it.

EVGA GTX 670 4gb
Asrock z77 extreme 4
Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core overclocked to 4.2
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
G. Skill Sniper Series 1866 8gb
Cooler Master HAF 922
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB
MIcrosoft Sidewinder X4
Gigabyte M6800
Crucial M4 128gb SSD
XFX Pro 750 XXX Semi-Modular 80 Plus Silver
Asus Xonar DG
Samsung Optical Drive
Windows 7

I play on a 46" Samsung LCD TV.

I see you play on a Samsung too, are you using game mode on your tv settings?