DID LIVE 06 "BOMB OUT" AGAIN ?

[jtdribbles25]

Re: DID LIVE 06 "BOMB OUT" AGAIN ?

I don't understand how you guys can say you loved 05 but 06 is not that much of a different game. I must have got a different copy because my game is nothing like 05.

I agree with you...05 and 06 are very different to me as well....


and as far as this...
Quote:
Originally Posted by FootballForever
after playing 2k6 all damn day and night yesterday, the learning curve for me is over, I'm preety damn good at it now. Just play and pratice, I just don't get some people.


Cause some ppl are lazy & don't want to work for anything.

Dealing with the learning curve has nothing to do with laziness or not. There are differences in opinion. And priorities. I bought both games the same day. And the obvious difference in gameplay meant that I could either enjoy live, right now. Or ....struggle with the new controls in 2k. Either way it was going to be $40 bucks or so that just sits. Personally if I saw things so great in 2k that made me want to invest the time, and not play live I would have made a longer/more intense effort to learn the controls. Unfortunately I didn't see anything that made me want to play live right away. I don't see how the people on these boards don't get that. No one could make a judgement in 24 hours or less proclaiming greatness. Thats just like when the reviews come in (that is not in your games favor) and we say "that guy doesn't know bball" "he didn't play enough games to know this or that" ....yada yada. True. Exactly right. But we get people in all these forums proclaiming "this" games greatness waaaay too early. Any way, no worries here. I appreciate everyones opinions here, and many are well thought out and respected. I just wish sometimes every thing wasn't so competitive. I personally like both games this year. I think both companies did a good job with the type of game they represent...
peace

[inkcil]

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I agree with you...05 and 06 are very different to me as well....


and as far as this...
Quote:
Originally Posted by FootballForever
after playing 2k6 all damn day and night yesterday, the learning curve for me is over, I'm preety damn good at it now. Just play and pratice, I just don't get some people.


Cause some ppl are lazy & don't want to work for anything.

Dealing with the learning curve has nothing to do with laziness or not. There are differences in opinion. And priorities. I bought both games the same day. And the obvious difference in gameplay meant that I could either enjoy live, right now. Or ....struggle with the new controls in 2k. Either way it was going to be $40 bucks or so that just sits. Personally if I saw things so great in 2k that made me want to invest the time, and not play live I would have made a longer/more intense effort to learn the controls. Unfortunately I didn't see anything that made me want to play live right away. I don't see how the people on these boards don't get that. No one could make a judgement in 24 hours or less proclaiming greatness. Thats just like when the reviews come in (that is not in your games favor) and we say "that guy doesn't know bball" "he didn't play enough games to know this or that" ....yada yada. True. Exactly right. But we get people in all these forums proclaiming "this" games greatness waaaay too early. Any way, no worries here. I appreciate everyones opinions here, and many are well thought out and respected. I just wish sometimes every thing wasn't so competitive. I personally like both games this year. I think both companies did a good job with the type of game they represent...
peace

Great post.

[videobastard]

Re: DID LIVE 06 "BOMB OUT" AGAIN ?

EA is stuck on having an arcade style NBA live. They already have the NBA street series. Why have 2 games that play like streetball. This is why 2k6 is the better choice this year. Its plays like real NBA game. Maybe EA will change their tune on the 360 live.

[Bordeaux9196]

Re: DID LIVE 06 "BOMB OUT" AGAIN ?

EA is stuck on having an arcade style NBA live. They already have the NBA street series. Why have 2 games that play like streetball. This is why 2k6 is the better choice this year. Its plays like real NBA game. Maybe EA will change their tune on the 360 live.

You sir may be lost. The NBA2k6 forum is that way---------------->

[Graphik]

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I donno, I have both games now and while I'll more than likely stick with 2K6, Live can be great with the proper slider adjustment from the looks of it. One big turn off for Live is the fact that you can play it as a sim or you can go the arcade route at any time during the game.

What I'm saying is that if you take the time to learn the plays, play a more halfcourt game and work the ball around as in real life, you can defitnitly make Live feel like a sim. But at the same time, you can abandon the stratergy and just wiggle the freestyle stick, hold the Superstar botton and have the same success without thinking much about matchups and playbooks.

I watched my guy playing yesterday and his entire gameplay stratergy consist of: On defense--playing the passing lanes and stealing, taking one guy and running all over the court with him reaching and swatting away for the ball. The game really needs to put an emphasize on illegal defense cause thats all he does. And the cpu AI does'nt penalize him for that type of play. They move the ball around at a predictable rate and all he does is wait for that one pass. Then when the cpu gets the ball down low, he's usually quick to react and get a block or mess up a players momentum. The game obviously cant call every play a foul and he uses that logic to his advantage. Its disturbing to watch.

On offense, he brings the ball up court, and his entire offense relys on penetrating to the cup. And the freestyle controls allow you to do so with ease. Even when he works the ball around, he can usually find a nice seam for a pass to someone under the rim. And of course the percentages play out. He does'nt shoot remarkably well by any means but alot of his misses feel more cheap than great defense played by the AI.

Live still seems to be plagued by a inside/outside game. It seems like ethier you get to the cup and anywhere near the paint, you'll be able to pull off the numerous animations and depending on how well you know the controls, you can never get your shot blocked. If the inside gets cloged, then pass outside to a waiting player who despite having a defensive player in his face, can drain a shot with moderate sucess. The bottom line is the entire flow of the game is played just like that.

Of course, this all depends on the user and his slider settings but for the most part, it seems as if the cpu AI never picks up to how you play the game so you can abuse them with the same stratergy every game and there is so little the cpu can do about it. And even if you wanted to play the game realistically, you can always switch back to this simple stratergy if the situation called for it. The result is a bad flow and cheapness.

Once again however, this is all my opinion. Not tryna take anything away from those who want to enjoy the game. It just seems like the better you get with the controls, the easier than game becomes and that has always plagued the NBA Live series IMO.

[sirjam]

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I donno, I have both games now and while I'll more than likely stick with 2K6, Live can be great with the proper slider adjustment from the looks of it. One big turn off for Live is the fact that you can play it as a sim or you can go the arcade route at any time during the game.

What I'm saying is that if you take the time to learn the plays, play a more halfcourt game and work the ball around as in real life, you can defitnitly make Live feel like a sim. But at the same time, you can abandon the stratergy and just wiggle the freestyle stick, hold the Superstar botton and have the same success without thinking much about matchups and playbooks.

I watched my guy playing yesterday and his entire gameplay stratergy consist of: On defense--playing the passing lanes and stealing, taking one guy and running all over the court with him reaching and swatting away for the ball. The game really needs to put an emphasize on illegal defense cause thats all he does. And the cpu AI does'nt penalize him for that type of play. They move the ball around at a predictable rate and all he does is wait for that one pass. Then when the cpu gets the ball down low, he's usually quick to react and get a block or mess up a players momentum. The game obviously cant call every play a foul and he uses that logic to his advantage. Its disturbing to watch.

On offense, he brings the ball up court, and his entire offense relys on penetrating to the cup. And the freestyle controls allow you to do so with ease. Even when he works the ball around, he can usually find a nice seam for a pass to someone under the rim. And of course the percentages play out. He does'nt shoot remarkably well by any means but alot of his misses feel more cheap than great defense played by the AI.

Live still seems to be plagued by a inside/outside game. It seems like ethier you get to the cup and anywhere near the paint, you'll be able to pull off the numerous animations and depending on how well you know the controls, you can never get your shot blocked. If the inside gets cloged, then pass outside to a waiting player who despite having a defensive player in his face, can drain a shot with moderate sucess. The bottom line is the entire flow of the game is played just like that.

Of course, this all depends on the user and his slider settings but for the most part, it seems as if the cpu AI never picks up to how you play the game so you can abuse them with the same stratergy every game and there is so little the cpu can do about it. And even if you wanted to play the game realistically, you can always switch back to this simple stratergy if the situation called for it. The result is a bad flow and cheapness.

Once again however, this is all my opinion. Not tryna take anything away from those who want to enjoy the game. It just seems like the better you get with the controls, the easier than game becomes and that has always plagued the NBA Live series IMO.

Is the guy playing on superstar? If not tell him to step it up and try that cheap stuff. I am playing on that level and find it very challenging. If I try to abuse the superstar feature like dunking all the time with power players or high flyers, more than not it doesn't happen. What usually happens is the player tries to go for the dunk but is met in mid air so he has to change into a layup try. ITs very nicely done. I have both games as well and while 2k offers alot in presentation and such. I am finding myself playing live more and having alot more fun with it. The breaks are awesome and so are the playcalling.

[Graphik]

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Is the guy playing on superstar? If not tell him to step it up and try that cheap stuff. I am playing on that level and find it very challenging. If I try to abuse the superstar feature like dunking all the time with power players or high flyers, more than not it doesn't happen. What usually happens is the player tries to go for the dunk but is met in mid air so he has to change into a layup try. ITs very nicely done. I have both games as well and while 2k offers alot in presentation and such. I am finding myself playing live more and having alot more fun with it. The breaks are awesome and so are the playcalling.

Eventually, he'll up it to Superstar. He always does. Even then, he'll learn the CPUs tendencies and adjust accordingly. The problem stems from the fact that the CPU AI does'nt adapt to his play. They play their game while letting the user play his game. And if he finds cheap tactics that he can have sucess with, he'll stick to it. Out of the numerous moves one can pull off, there is always a few that stick out of the bunch. Even on the highest level. My guys dont really play Live to play a realistic game of basketball, they play it to abuse the CPU and win at all cost. One of my guys told me a few days ago. "I see that the computer is smater this year. Once I get used to the physics of the game, I'll get back to blowing them out." I just shook my head. It took him about 2 days to realize that you needed to turn the damn steal slider down. He was confident that he was a master at stealing and was perfectly fine getting 10+ steals a game with 1 player.

[gooberstabone]

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I dont mean to interrupt here but I have been playing alot of NBA Live 2006 these past few days and must say, it is less entertaining the more I play it. It is definitely better than last year but I have to say it is still missing something. It just doesnt feel like a real basketball game or should I say...sim. It still has that arcade/ NBA Jam roots hidden somwhere underneath in its gameplay engine. It's hard to put my finger on what is bothering me about the game. I dont really know, but it doesnt feel intense. It's sometimes hard for me to finish simple 6 min quarters without becoming uninterested in the outcome...I never feel this way when playing an NBA 2K5 or NBA 2K4 game in the past. The Live series keeps getting better each year, but it somehow still fails to really grab your attention and make you say, "WOW....this is an intense video game of basketball"

Take my comments with a grain (or pound) of salt 'cause I haven't played either game, but I can clearly see this, 'cause that's how I feel about Madden.

... It just doesn't feel like you're playing in the "NBA" or "NFL". It's just playing the "sport" if that makes any sense.

[sirjam]

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Eventually, he'll up it to Superstar. He always does. Even then, he'll learn the CPUs tendencies and adjust accordingly. The problem stems from the fact that the CPU AI does'nt adapt to his play. They play their game while letting the user play his game. And if he finds cheap tactics that he can have sucess with, he'll stick to it. Out of the numerous moves one can pull off, there is always a few that stick out of the bunch. Even on the highest level. My guys dont really play Live to play a realistic game of basketball, they play it to abuse the CPU and win at all cost. One of my guys told me a few days ago. "I see that the computer is smater this year. Once I get used to the physics of the game, I'll get back to blowing them out." I just shook my head. It took him about 2 days to realize that you needed to turn the damn steal slider down. He was confident that he was a master at stealing and was perfectly fine getting 10+ steals a game with 1 player.

I see. I don't play the game like that. I never try to manipulate the cpu. I try to play the most realistic ball I can play. I guard the man with the ball, occasionally I will play off ball d but only to get more pressure on the shooter, or get in the passing lane, but not in a cheap way. You can manipulate the cpu in any game, yes even 2k6. After all it is a cpu not a human.

[Leahmic223]

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I have both games and I played Live for one day and 2k the next.

I just find 2k more challenging and realistic. If you try and take a team like the Lakers and play against the Pistons on Superstar...good luck.

Billups can drive the lane and light you up from the outside. Then if you double team him he can pass it to Hamilton who is running trough screens to get the open look. If you try to drive the lane with KB8 then you will find Ben Wallace down there, and the blocks are realistic. He doesn't get too many blocks, but I think 4 is real enough for Big Ben.

Also Rasheed can play low post and has a nasty jumper anywhere on the court.

I can beat the Pistons with the Lakers on Live 06 on Superstar no problem. But on 2k6 I have had problems, getting blown out by 20 points, finding myself struggling to get it to a 10 point lead.

I am loving 2k6, Live is good but it just doesn't capture that feel that 2k6 does.

[bats26]

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I have both games too.

I got NBA Live one day earlier and I loved it. I didn't even sleep.

Till I got NBA 2k6...

Oh my. It's the greatest basketball game ever made for me.
The controls may may be hard to master but the payoff is great.

I've preferred the Live series over 2K the past three years. I didn't even care if EA Sports was going to be given the exclusive rights to the NBA coz I thought the 2K series just kept getting worse after 2K2.
But with 2k6. It's a whole different ball game.

I've bought all of the 2K and Live games since 2002 . I'm not a fan boy of any series. I just go out and play what's better game for the year.

One major differnce in gameplay between the two, Is that you can pass out of a lay-up (but not for dunks) in 2k6. The gameplay effect is HUGE. If the blocker commits to you,just drop pass it to the player that he was guarding or just kick it outside Drive and dish. a crucial game element. Point guards now have use for their penetration skills. You don't have that in Live.

[player]

Re: DID LIVE 06 "BOMB OUT" AGAIN ?

I have both games too.

I got NBA Live one day earlier and I loved it. I didn't even sleep.

Till I got NBA 2k6...

Oh my. It's the greatest basketball game ever made for me.
The controls may may be hard to master but the payoff is great.

I've preferred the Live series over 2K the past three years. I didn't even care if EA Sports was going to be given the exclusive rights to the NBA coz I thought the 2K series just kept getting worse after 2K2.
But with 2k6. It's a whole different ball game.

I've bought all of the 2K and Live games since 2002 . I'm not a fan boy of any series. I just go out and play what's better game for the year.

One major differnce in gameplay between the two, Is that you can pass out of a lay-up (but not for dunks) in 2k6. The gameplay effect is HUGE. If the blocker commits to you,just drop pass it to the player that he was guarding or just kick it outside Drive and dish. a crucial game element. Point guards now have use for their penetration skills. You don't have that in Live.

The main problem i have it that i try and use the halk court plays yet teh cpu continually drives to the lane. there is no interior defense. so then i get pissed and can get my superstar into the lane as well. this game would be great if there was better interior defense. watch on a cpu fast break how you guy just stands there. if i take control the guy just dribbles/sliders thru him any ideas?