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  • FluffyTonka
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    • Feb 2006
    • 1681

    #16
    Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

    The D is where its all won huh?

    Try the Autoswitch D from the playbook. Ever since I changed to it, my D has been real stingy. Your PF and SF rotate down low.

    When the CPU gets the ball down low your PF will move off the man and clog the passing lane while the SF guards the ball carrier, from there they double him. It limits 2nd chance points and the PF/C with the ball is hurried into his shot or pass ...

    Shutting down the point is where it all starts but. You do that,the CPU will start struggling to hit 100 on you ...

    I've got a couple of hours of assignment to do, then I'll play my 1st game of the new season (with trades turned off this time) ...

    I'll post up a box score...

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    • FluffyTonka
      MVP
      • Feb 2006
      • 1681

      #17
      Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

      I just played the most intense game. 1st game of my new season, with all edits, playbooks and sliders. (Thanks to Nog & PM!).

      Hawks 105 def by Warriors 110

      Hawks (105) 35/73 - 48% FG; 7/17 - 41% 3-pt; 39 rbds (11 off); 28/33 - 93% FT.

      Warriors (110) 34/73 - 47% FG; 5/13 - 38% 3-pt; 30rbds (8off) 37/49 - 76%FT.

      Game Speed 75 G.S 14 fastbreak points to Hawks 4pts.

      Baron Davis drove to the rim at will and was the high point man with 33 points with only 2/3 3pt attempts. Dunleavy had 30 points in a mix of jumpers, post moves and attacking the rim ...

      I reckon at a guess the lead changed 10-15 times in the last quarter. I took the lead for the first time all game long with 4 minutes to go on a fadeaway jumper with McCants from the right baseline after he spun around JRich, spotted up and shot over Biedrins block attempt. It looked so real it was ridiculous ...

      Thenthe crucial turning point came next possesion, McCants (who had 14 points in the 4th) got injured driving to the hole. GS started an 8 - 0 run and the Piatkowski nailed 3, three pointers in my next 3 possesions to give me the lead.

      Down the stretch I couldn't make any stops, Grant my best defensive big was fouled out, Olowokandi was terrible and Ervin Johnson was, well he was Ervin Johnson ...

      Duhon had 19 pts, 8 boards and 8 assists and he was the only other player that contributed anything worthwhile. He had more assists than any of my bigs ...

      All in all it was a stunningly realistic game that I rightfully lost when by best scorer got injured. The way the AI is playing right now is blowing me away ... Maybe I should have got a fantasy drafted a decent big who will play D and rebound ... Seems like thats all my team is missing ... Interior defense.

      I can see the AI reacting to me and my players throughout the game, which is something new. McCants was getting double teamed in the 4th after breaking out with the hot hand 4/6 3-pts in the 4th ... He would pass out of the double and create other opportunites on for Duhon, Grant or Walton with open looks easy layups and once he was injured I was sunk ...

      Onto LA Clippers next. Gonnabe interesting watching Brand and Maggette smash me down low. Might move Corliss and his 88 DEF AWR to PF to try and limit Brand. Maggette will run amok on the wings with Walton on him.

      Box score to come ...

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      • nogster
        MVP
        • Mar 2006
        • 3833

        #18
        Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

        u got corliss williamson's def awareness at 88?? holy crap. defense is his weak point. but i assume u have got most players at high def awareness??

        why dont u use your bulls and go for the title. just drop the bigs down to the scale of the guards etc...
        ie: drop their off awareness down 30 or so. and their fgs down 10 odd. and their inside scoring down a touch and it should be more challenging for u.

        its great that the game is playing well now.
        i do have an issue with the gameplay though.
        the cpu is useless at blocking in the interior.
        this is on allstar.
        just played at the blazers and won comfortably 100-85.
        but ratliff and pryzbilla couldnt even get 1 blk on me. they only had 3blks and that was miles with all of them.
        its starting to grate on me. if the cpu can block shots better in the paint the interior d would be fixed. and the game would be near perfect now. but too often i had a small guard who doesnt dunk drive and make the layin over these 2 shotblocking specialists. realisitically they shouldve stuffed them over and over.
        how is your cpu blocking fluffy?
        any ideas.
        i got my cpu layup blockign sliders maxed and the blocking ability at 55.

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        • FluffyTonka
          MVP
          • Feb 2006
          • 1681

          #19
          Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

          Originally posted by nogster
          u got corliss williamson's def awareness at 88?? holy crap. defense is his weak point. but i assume u have got most players at high def awareness??
          Nah man, I don't know what I was typing. I meant moving Grant from C to PF and use him on Brand. Grant has an 88 def awr ... And I think if I'm not mistaken that was his default from EA? I can't be sure with all the edits I've done over the last 2 months with this game!

          I'm a little ...

          Hmmm ....

          Have you upped the DEF AWR for all bigs in the game? Its a deadset must if you haven't. I get flogged in the paint regularly (although in saying that not as much as I should as the interior defense on 360 is an issue, PS2 was better, IMO too). Maybe even some PF/C's, increase blocking. Joel P should be in the 90's for his blocking. Okafor is another who should be too.

          ALSO set your defensive pressure to high for all the CPU team in your 'Team Management' option on the in-game menu ... And the raise in the DEF AWR edits, should see your smaller, weaker guards get bounced everytime they drive into traffic.

          Also maybe turn your fouls up?

          My sliders are at:
          Shooting fouls 50
          In Air Collision 65
          Block foul 80
          Reach in 50 ...

          With those sliders I'm maybe getting to many fouls, but I'm also getting rejected heaps at the rim, I'm also committing charges and Offensive fouls (as well as drawing them in the paint too)... See my numbers from my last game for foul numbers pretty high, but ...

          I played a exhibition game V the Bulls in testing, and I bumped Chandler's DEF AWR to 90, his blocking is in the high 80's too ... TC and Allen, Nocioni and Deng were shutting down the inside like automatic.

          McCants's strength is about 45 or something and he was getting bounced big time, rejected, getting called for offensive fouls etc ... It was pretty real to life.

          I played 3 full seasons and playoffs with the Bulls (2 on PS2), so now this is something new. I'm enjoying the challange of having a bunch on nobody's and getting somewhere with them. I'm learning the game all over. Different goto guys, different strengths and weaknesses etc etc ... Its good.

          And its a plus playing the Bulls. Its a shame I hate all the teams in the Bulls division, woulda been nice to play them more regularly!

          Good luck with the D in the paint, make the changes and let me know how you get on ... PM will probably have more ideas to this too...
          Last edited by FluffyTonka; 05-07-2006, 05:18 AM.

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          • nogster
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            • Mar 2006
            • 3833

            #20
            Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

            the def aware doesnt make a diff to me. as u would know. ratliff and pryz would be in the 90's for blocks and have a high def awareness and they had 0 blocks between them.

            if the interior blocks was like live06 xbox the game would be near perfect now.
            heh. yes i know exactly where u are coming from :wink:.

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            • FluffyTonka
              MVP
              • Feb 2006
              • 1681

              #21
              Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

              Originally posted by nogster
              the def aware doesnt make a diff to me. as u would know. ratliff and pryz would be in the 90's for blocks and have a high def awareness and they had 0 blocks between them.

              if the interior blocks was like live06 xbox the game would be near perfect now.
              heh. yes i know exactly where u are coming from :wink:.
              Brand, Kaman and Maggette had a block each in the game I just played. I was really looking out for the interior defense that game. It is weak as and there are far too many points in the paint.

              At halftime 30 of my 46 pts were in the paint, and I ony had 2 fastbreak points. BUT, while I'm not seeing heaps of blocks, I am getting alot of fouls. Occassional offensive fouls, and shooting/ blocking fouls in the paint. Kaman, Fizer and Williamson were all fouled out this last game, and 95% of the fouls were in the paint stopping layups and blocks.

              It is fairly hard to get to the paint unless I come form the baseline. The baseline defense is woefully bad at times. I can run a certain set play with Duhon from the top of the key around the perimeter and along the baseline almost untouched for a layup ... I wont say the play, b'cos I wouldn't want to be told a cheese move unless I asked to be ...

              In saying all that, I am really liking the gameplay and the challenging factor. I just had a double OT game V the Clips. I committed an Offensive foul in with 30 seconds on the clock and I was down 113 - 115 at the time. Ended up losing 121 - 116 (2OT) ...

              All the player statlines were eerily true to life.

              Maggette 10/11 FT, he slashed all game long. Brand 10/15 for 25pts. Mobley cut loose in the 4th with 3/4 3pts towards his 20 pts. Kaman 12 boards, Brand 10 boards ...

              Like you said if points in the paint and the blocking mechanics were like current gen console this game would be a 9.5 IMO ...

              Shooting % were again in the 50's, with LAC finishing with 55% ... Just reduced poor release to 15 for me and the CPU. And my shooting sliders too.
              Now I'm at

              Short 40
              Medium 55
              Long 62

              As frustrating as it is shooting 35% from the field for a game, I wouldn't mind seeing it from time to time for both me and the CPU. Hopefully those reductions will see my FG% average drop ...

              My next game is actually against the JailBlazers, so I'll see how Joel P and the Rat go in the paint ...

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              • nogster
                MVP
                • Mar 2006
                • 3833

                #22
                Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                how good is it that the bigs that are go to guys actually are now.
                thats whats rewarding to me.
                brand with 25pts! that would never of happened without the edits.
                this game plays the right way now.

                about the edits. i see u changed duhon to 83 saying that ea had him too low.
                i just checked and he was 74 in my game.
                i changed the stats of pretty much every player in the league. maybe not every attribute but most. but there would be a few attributes that may be too low or high for certain players as it was more important to me to have the total rating right than each individiual attribute although i kept that as close as possible.
                ie. players like r wallace. if i did each attribute 100% correct to his skills, he would be 84+ and i didnt want him to be higher than billups or other pf's that are better than him. so i kept some of his attributes at the minumum like his handles, his steals could be better among others but this keeps his overall ranking to where he should be. this is with a lot of players who have some great all round skills but are not superstars.
                ie, marion as well. the guy would be in the 90's total if i did all his attributes correct to his skills. [like he was in the default ratings. as he does everything bar assists on the court. but i cant have him be a better more important player than say nowitski or brand or even shaq. as marion as good as he is, is a complimentary player. a superstar role player. he isnt a go to guy.

                basically. i do the total rankings with a philosophy of. if a player was traded for another. which team gets better. a lot of that is personal opinion.
                and its near impossible to get all players to the ranking they should have. ie. nash with his importance to his team should be higher than an 84 ranking. but as we had to scale down guards skills and he isnt a good defensive player. u cant get him higher than that. even though he by rights should be 90 or so due to being the mvp and indespensible to phoenix.
                and my scale is.
                50-60. scrubber-benchwarmer
                60-70. role player-starter
                70-80. starter-cusp of stardom.
                80-90. all star- superstar.
                90+ future hall of famer. franchise player.

                there is only about 5% of attributes in the entire game that is ea's default rating. i changed everthything. by checking the season stats and scouting reports of each individual player but keeping them within my rating scale.

                yes i am an nba stat nut.:wink:

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                • FluffyTonka
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 1681

                  #23
                  Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                  Originally posted by nogster
                  how good is it that the bigs that are go to guys actually are now.
                  thats whats rewarding to me.
                  brand with 25pts! that would never of happened without the edits.
                  this game plays the right way now.

                  about the edits. i see u changed duhon to 83 saying that ea had him too low.
                  i just checked and he was 74 in my game.
                  i changed the stats of pretty much every player in the league. maybe not every attribute but most. but there would be a few attributes that may be too low or high for certain players as it was more important to me to have the total rating right than each individiual attribute although i kept that as close as possible.
                  ie. players like r wallace. if i did each attribute 100% correct to his skills, he would be 84+ and i didnt want him to be higher than billups or other pf's that are better than him. so i kept some of his attributes at the minumum like his handles, his steals could be better among others but this keeps his overall ranking to where he should be. this is with a lot of players who have some great all round skills but are not superstars.
                  ie, marion as well. the guy would be in the 90's total if i did all his attributes correct to his skills. [like he was in the default ratings. as he does everything bar assists on the court. but i cant have him be a better more important player than say nowitski or brand or even shaq. as marion as good as he is, is a complimentary player. a superstar role player. he isnt a go to guy.

                  basically. i do the total rankings with a philosophy of. if a player was traded for another. which team gets better. a lot of that is personal opinion.
                  and its near impossible to get all players to the ranking they should have. ie. nash with his importance to his team should be higher than an 84 ranking. but as we had to scale down guards skills and he isnt a good defensive player. u cant get him higher than that. even though he by rights should be 90 or so due to being the mvp and indespensible to phoenix.
                  and my scale is.
                  50-60. scrubber-benchwarmer
                  60-70. role player-starter
                  70-80. starter-cusp of stardom.
                  80-90. all star- superstar.
                  90+ future hall of famer. franchise player.

                  there is only about 5% of attributes in the entire game that is ea's default rating. i changed everthything. by checking the season stats and scouting reports of each individual player but keeping them within my rating scale.

                  yes i am an nba stat nut.:wink:

                  I hear ya loud and clear ... I'm a stat nut too. I liked all the ratings you did. Because I watch alot of Bulls games I know Duhon has the 2nd best handle in the team behind Kirk.

                  I got to the archives at NBAdraft.net and look up their college scouting reports, then match it against their career stats and go from there. I was looking at your edits and I would say that I genuinely agree with 98% of the edits you made.

                  Makes sense though, if we're both using scouting reports and there real life stats and averages ... Then comparing those attributes to how they stack up within their respective team. Like you said Marion is a good to great player, but Phoenix have guys above him in the importance/talent ranking ...

                  Just about to go try and notch up my first win V the Jailblazers ... Gonna run right at Randolph all game and try and get him into foul trouble ... Then it should be a win.

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                  • FluffyTonka
                    MVP
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 1681

                    #24
                    Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                    Nogs I think you'll like this ...

                    I just globally raised blocking on atleast one big for every team. I raised them well into their 90's. With the same player I also increased their quickness rating by between 5-10 (on top of PM's def, spd & qkness edits already).

                    Since the speed rating refers to how quick guys get up and down the court, and i didn't wanna change that too much, and quickness refers to how quick the players move laterally, jump, dribble, swat shots etc ...

                    So far played a few 1qtr test games and the results have been nothing short of outstanding. I've been driving to the hole with all types of players and at times have been completely stoned and sent back to the miserable place where I came from.

                    One time Joel P batted the ball right the way across the court and outta bounds on a weak Duhon layup. It was aggressive and it looked awesome. Some teams have one or two (might even be a couple with three bigs) with the block & quickness edits. And from the testing so far its making the paint a deadset fortress to break down.

                    Miami just had Shaq and Zo on the floor at the same time, I was the Lakers, and Smush, Kobe and Lamar all got swatted and sent back in just one qtr alone.

                    Like the offensive edits, it is editing players to unreal attributes, but the results are really really heartening so far. Will have to play a natural game and see what happens. For testing purposes I was running into heavy traffic and looking for blocking opportunities, so maybe the blocking in a proper game will be a little tamer. But so far the blocking animations are in the game and they're working fine.

                    I'd almost compare the interior D, with these edits on allstar level, as playing the CPU on superstar where everything is boosted up for the AI team ...

                    Give it a whirl see what you reckon ...

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                    • FluffyTonka
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 1681

                      #25
                      Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                      Just played the Jailblazers after the block and qkness edits ...

                      Portland 8 blocks for the game Hawks 5.

                      Joel P had 3 of them in the paint. One on Duhon, one on Grant and one on a Corliss Williamson layup which was so sweet ... Not as aggressive as the Duhon one, but he reached in over his back and swatted it as Williamson changed his dunk to a layup ... Joel P read the play and made the adjustment to block it. It was a real finesse block and he never got called for the foul in a game where Portland had 30 fouls to my 22 ... Most of them were when I was in the penalty.

                      For the record the score was Hawks 108 - Blazers 101 ... The 4th was wild, the Blazers scored 38 while I scored 35 ... Randolph started strong, the 1st 5 possesions went down low to him where he schooled Fizer 5/5 and 11 pts (3-pt play on the 2nd possesion) after just 2-3 minutes. Then I started running my whole offense at him. I was down by 12 points at quarter time, down by 6 at half time but Randolph was sitting in foul trouble on the bench by then. The 2nd half was all mine. A 24 - 8 3rd quarterRandolph would appear briefly, I'd run at him, he'd foul. He finished with 15 pts and was fouled out midway through the 4th.

                      Thats what I'm loving about this game right now. You can devise a game plan to win it, and if you execute it, you stand a good chance at winning.

                      Off to battle the Lakers, where the only inside block and quickness big for the Lakers I edited was Brown. With every team having atleast one big who'll block in the paint you know the game will be competitve.

                      I think I'm gonna sag off Kobe and zone my D (3-2 SF on top) I'm thinking, I'll try and not let any other Laker have a look at the hoop, or have a chance to get a board ... Don't really know any other way to play them ...
                      Last edited by FluffyTonka; 05-08-2006, 03:16 AM.

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                      • nogster
                        MVP
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 3833

                        #26
                        Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                        i will give that a go then. i am going to up defensive bigs quickness. this means i will generally have to up all players quickness to even out the scales. [i am so sick of ediitng every player though]. but i do need the blocks to be improved for the cpu.
                        played the jazz last night and won 103-102 with a big 3 with 1 sec to go to rally back from 6 down in the last minute.
                        it was williams and giricek that scored 49 pts together. my d was poor at times. ak47 had a typical averaged ak47 game. 4stls, 2blks, 10pts, 6rebs, 3assists. boozer was looked at but not enough and same with okur. they only scored 9pts a piece. still it was great winning the way i did.

                        next was the dirkless mavs. [dirk was injured]. and i dominated from the start winning 97-71. without dirk they had no one. my gameplan was to suffocate the perimiter and they only shot 36%. and 1/12 3pts. van horn did a terrible dirk impersonation with only 2 shots and 0pts.

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                        • Playmakers
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 15417

                          #27
                          Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                          Originally posted by nogster
                          i will give that a go then. i am going to up defensive bigs quickness. this means i will generally have to up all players quickness to even out the scales. [i am so sick of ediitng every player though]. but i do need the blocks to be improved for the cpu.
                          played the jazz last night and won 103-102 with a big 3 with 1 sec to go to rally back from 6 down in the last minute.
                          it was williams and giricek that scored 49 pts together. my d was poor at times. ak47 had a typical averaged ak47 game. 4stls, 2blks, 10pts, 6rebs, 3assists. boozer was looked at but not enough and same with okur. they only scored 9pts a piece. still it was great winning the way i did.

                          next was the dirkless mavs. [dirk was injured]. and i dominated from the start winning 97-71. without dirk they had no one. my gameplan was to suffocate the perimiter and they only shot 36%. and 1/12 3pts. van horn did a terrible dirk impersonation with only 2 shots and 0pts.

                          I'm not sure what your ratings are for Giricek but he takes away shots from Boozer if he's in the starting lineup. I actually have Harpring starting at SG since the Jazz moved him into the lineup the last month or so of the real season.

                          As for Dallas they play much more realistic with Dirk at SF. At PF he'll get touches but only on the low blocks.
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                          • nogster
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 3833

                            #28
                            Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                            yeah i know but he does get heaps of touches now and is the go to guy. i cant stomach van horn in the starting lineup and dirk then doesnt get the boards he should. i see your reasoning though.
                            i may put harpring at sg as u say. giriceck always gets points against me in any nba vid game. as his only skills are shooting really.

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                            • Playmakers
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 15417

                              #29
                              Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                              Originally posted by nogster
                              yeah i know but he does get heaps of touches now and is the go to guy. i cant stomach van horn in the starting lineup and dirk then doesnt get the boards he should. i see your reasoning though.
                              i may put harpring at sg as u say. giriceck always gets points against me in any nba vid game. as his only skills are shooting really.

                              You have to set the matchups to play him at SF on offense but have him defend the PF on Defense.

                              For instance when I setup my games and use Odom at PG if I play the Lakers I make sure to have him defend the SF on Defense.

                              Alot of guy's don't get that detailed with the game but that's the best part about the game EA did was allow you to customize everything.

                              So, on Offense Dirk gets his shots away from the basket and on defense since the PF's are camped out down low he gets his rebounds by defending them on defense.

                              Does that make sense?
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                              • FluffyTonka
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2006
                                • 1681

                                #30
                                Re: nbalive[360] game logs.

                                I'm loving my Hawks team ... Just beat the Lakers in OT ...

                                I've played 5 games on the season and had a double OT game V the Clips and now this epic V the Lakers ...

                                Fizer got injured last game (heh he's done his knee and is gone for 1 month, talk about De ja Vu, huh?) , and Brian Grant stepped up and had 16 pts and 12 boards.

                                McCants was in foul trouble the entire game and only managed 12 minutes for 9 pts 4 assists. Bracey Wright stepped up and made a killer block (in the paint no less) from behind on Kobe to deny the Lakers a go ahead basket in normal time with about 13 seconds left ...

                                Every game is a pure battle, and I'm loving it ...

                                FG% were

                                LAL 42%
                                Hawks 41%

                                (So the last lot of scoring sliders and poor release to 15 did the trick beautifully.) Williamson was guarding Kobe toward the death and he was right in face and Kobe put up an airball from behind the arc ... Poor release @ 15 had a lot to do with that IMO ... You can really see shots getting altered through good D.

                                Kwame Brown had 2 blocks, one on Grant while he was trying to post up. Brown just stayed with him the whole way and then swatted it. I was yelling at th X-Box "GOALTENDING!" ...

                                All up Lakers 6 blocks; Hawks 5 ...

                                I'm not getting enough steals IMO, so I might look into those sliders ...

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