Just when you thought they were on the right track...

[noshun]

Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

C'mon guy... This is a crock. Live was running off of a "new engine" in '06 and '07. You're telling me they had "next gen" physics.

I honestly believe some people post these things over and over and actually start to believe them after a while. It's ridiculous.

Dont worry Pared, Alburt Poohole, is really Gubmntcheez who was banned on the TeamXbox forums. He also uses Afrodamus as another handle. Too bad his IP and ISP give him away everytime. Take what he says or thinks with 2 spoonfulls of salt.

[newgen1]

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I've played 2k since the Dreamcast days and in just speaking on the last 2 next gen versions there has been nothing sim about ther 2k6 DUNKFEST and the ability to throw the ball 3/4 of the way up the court to the wing and just get your dunk on...Or last year when any mediocre bum (JJ Redick) could and would shoot damn near 80% from the 3 pt line. I played in a league lkast year and watched fools pull up for 3's on 3 v 1 breaks...Why? because the 3pt shot was just stupid.

So I don't want to hear about all this "so called" intelligent 2k basketball...2K has the same problems that most other games have...Its a decent game but many of these fools act as if the game is PERFECT...Well I hate to pee on their cornflakes but 2k is far from perfect...From the dunkfests to skating to the **** roach skattering players it has some issues...No doubt live sucked the last two years but 2k is the beneficiary of alot of EA hatred...On the same token 2k is an OK game...I just don;t think its as good as people make it seem while LIVE IMO was not as bad as people made it seem...I played LIVE last year and while I personally would give it a far below average grade any person who played the game and is just a straight up gamer would see the potential in the game...that still rings true LIVE is MUCH improved but I also still see alot of room for even more improvement...On the flipside..How can 2k continue to improve on an OLD TIRED engine...IMO they've maxed that game out...Its an old gen game with a next gen coat of paint over the top...Thats just not enough for me.

Man, just be happy you have LIVE 08, go play and enjoy it!! I hope you have many hours of enjoyment. People are going to enjoy what they want. Thank God we have a choice unlike Football. If LIVE turns you on!! Great!! For others NBA 2K8 does the same thing!

[eDotd]

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Dont worry Pared, Alburt Poohole, is really Gubmntcheez who was banned on the TeamXbox forums. He also uses Afrodamus as another handle. Too bad his IP and ISP give him away everytime. Take what he says or thinks with 2 spoonfulls of salt.

Lol, how do you know his IP and ISP?

[Pared]

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I guess it's a half implemented feature then isn't it?

I wouldn't call it "half implemented." My only issue is I haven't seen any improvement in it since it was introduced. I could be wrong but it was/is completely innovative in basketball games. Their failure to advance it each successive year annoys me though. That "moving out of the way" problem has been there since it was introduced...

Dont worry Pared, Alburt Poohole, is really Gubmntcheez who was banned on the TeamXbox forums. He also uses Afrodamus as another handle. Too bad his IP and ISP give him away everytime. Take what he says or thinks with 2 spoonfulls of salt.

I'm not worried; it just kills me when people post things like that. They try and make it seem like they are impartial and post things as if they make sense when they're really trying to "talk up" the game the prefer. (Damn, long sentence)

I mean let's be real, everyone has their personal preference whether they would like to admit it or not. It's obvious if you frequent the boards enough and read their posts.

It's painfully OBVIOUS which title I prefer but that doesn't mean I will post things that are just outright ridiculous.

Just to be fair, it happens in extreme from both directions...

[Bornindamecca]

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I'm not worried; it just kills me when people post things like that. They try and make it seem like they are impartial and post things as if they make sense when they're really trying to "talk up" the game the prefer. (Damn, long sentence)

I mean let's be real, everyone has their personal preference whether they would like to admit it or not. It's obvious if you frequent the boards enough and read their posts.

The issue is a lot of people want a cathartic experience from the interaction on the forums, but can't be honest about those times, and the times when information gathering is occuring. If something is frustrating or exhilarating, and you want to come to a messageboard to vent or express delight, there is nothing wrong with that. What is wrong is to pass off that emotion as analysis, and an attempt at objective judgement. That's dishonest, and takes away from the spirit of discussion.

Usually the first step towards catharsis is losing all semblence of a moderate voice in favor of hyperbole and polemics. Then people are either going to engage those extremes at face value, or disdain the behavior entirely. Inevitably this spirals down into personal attacks and people putting their personal integrity at stake over something that they had no part in creating.

I don't think Live is a very good game this year. Yes, I think everyone is grading it on curve because of last year's game. No, I don't think it's the worst game ever, or even a bad one. However, I think that 2k8 is a few generations ahead, despite Live's progress. That's not a personal attack on anyone who likes Live. I don't think you're stupid for liking Live, but I do think that it's a simpler and easier experience, and that quality goes a long way towards its charisma.

[Alburt Poohole]

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1) very hard to see credibility from the comments of a guy named Poohole

2) I think what many 2k players, including myself, cannot understand is why someone who wants/plays a sim style of game, choose to play Live when it clearly lacks the nuances of the NBA that are so prevalent in the 2k series.That's not a dig, just stating why some of us feel the way we do

3) I DO like the Live demo and will probably buy it later down the road, but it feels much more like of a sim of pick-up games at the Y than it does the NBA...very loose,fun but lacking the feel of the pro game

1. never judge a book by its cover.

2. There you go again perpetuating the "2k players are smarter than LIVE players" argument...Again its a very juvenile and stupid assertion thats IMO made by people who for what ever reason feel a need to be perceived intelligent or more realistic based on a videogame they play. Its also a comment that lacks basic intelligence in the sense that you yourself note that you can't understand why someone would play LIVE...What else in life don't you understand?..or do you have all the answers?...If so...please report to Washington D.C. immediately...lol

3. Could you please go into detail a bit more about what the NBA feel or the "Pro" game feel is on a videogame?...I never played in the NBA but I watch it alot so when I hear Steve Kerr etc and see the arena's with players that look dang near identical to their real life counterparts I kinda get the feeling I'm playing an NBA game...or at least as close to a NBA game as I can play as a videogame. Maybe your referring to 2k presentation...well if so...then I tend to agree that 2k beats EA all day in presentation but riddle me this?...After you See Kenny's halftime show 15 times is it still wowing you time after time after time?...Cut scenes and scripted presentation only go so far...After seeing them a few times they get old and get A Buttoned

Finally, the whole 2k sim...Live arcade or not sim assertion is lame..Its so lame that I guess Live ballers should simply proclaim that LIVE has been the better game for the last 3 years solely based on sales...Nawww...many consumers with intelligence simply wouldn't be that naive though...But wait...given your and those who think like you are far smarter than LIve ballers...maybe?????

[Alburt Poohole]

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Man, just be happy you have LIVE 08, go play and enjoy it!! I hope you have many hours of enjoyment. People are going to enjoy what they want. Thank God we have a choice unlike Football. If LIVE turns you on!! Great!! For others NBA 2K8 does the same thing!

Agreed

[Alburt Poohole]

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Dont worry Pared, Alburt Poohole, is really Gubmntcheez who was banned on the TeamXbox forums. He also uses Afrodamus as another handle. Too bad his IP and ISP give him away everytime. Take what he says or thinks with 2 spoonfulls of salt.

Keep your day job and hopefully its not as an investigator...Isn't IP spying illegal?

[ThaGenecyst]

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Usually the first step towards catharsis is losing all semblence of a moderate voice in favor of hyperbole and polemics. Then people are either going to engage those extremes at face value, or disdain the behavior entirely. Inevitably this spirals down into personal attacks and people putting their personal integrity at stake over something that they had no part in creating.

"Uhh.... WHAT????"

[Bornindamecca]

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"Uhh.... WHAT????"

Put succinctly:

1. People need to stop going to a message board to feel better about themselves; and if you are, be honest about it

2. A difference of opinion is not a personal attack, but reacting as if it were is pretty sure to provoke one.

3. EDIT: you didn't make the game. Even if someone hates it vehemently, that has nothing to do with you.

[ThaGenecyst]

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Put succinctly:

1. People need to stop going to a message board to feel better about themselves; and if you are, be honest about it

2. A difference of opinion is not a personal attack, but reacting as if it were is pretty sure to provoke one.

3. EDIT: you didn't make the game. Even if someone hates it vehemently, that has nothing to do with you.

Agreed... now let's head back to the 2k impressions thread to be in awe some more

[SageInfinite]

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Yo I just wanna thank Bornindamecca for expanding my vocab with every post.

[ThaGenecyst]

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Yo I just wanna thank Bornindamecca for expanding my vocab with every post.

LMAO

[Tomba]

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I'm STILL getting Live LOL

All this science and literature can do a cat in...

[Illustrator76]

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Why can't everyone just understand that people will like one game or another based on their own tastes? Some people may not like 2K's gameplay (which some feel sacrifices some control to look more realistic), while others may not care for Live's (which some feel sacrifices some realism in favor of simpler control). What I don't get is that unless people are saying that NBA Live08 is the greatest game ever (especially without even playing it yet) and that NBA2K8 is stupid (or vise versa), why is everyone getting all enraged? I really don't understand when it became an established rule around here that anyone who likes Live has to be wearing EA glasses....what's up with that? People are being made fun of just because they prefer Live over 2k8. And on the flip side, just because someone likes 2K8 it doesn't automatically make them a fanboy or anything like that. People are getting upset just because someone likes one game over the other even if they provide good reasons why (I know, what one person considers a good reason another person doesn't, but there has to be some middle ground). Now people are ISP and IP spying just discredit someone's opinion on a video game? That's a little extreme (whether you are an EA or 2K fan). It looks like we will have two good basketball games to choose from this year, why can't people just be o.k. with that and discuss the two games civilly?