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  • evarts2616
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    • Oct 2006
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    #91
    Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

    I don't think it was this bad between APF/Madden or NHL 2K8/NHL 08.

    In fact I'm not sure what's the point of it all because not everyone is going to like and enjoy the same games.

    We don't all like the same type of movies or cars.

    Why should a game be any different.

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      Legen - WAIT FOR IT
      • Feb 2003
      • 39337

      #92
      Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

      Originally posted by Illustrator76
      Why can't everyone just understand that people will like one game or another based on their own tastes? Some people may not like 2K's gameplay (which some feel sacrifices some control to look more realistic), while others may not care for Live's (which some feel sacrifices some realism in favor of simpler control). What I don't get is that unless people are saying that NBA Live08 is the greatest game ever (especially without even playing it yet) and that NBA2K8 is stupid (or vise versa), why is everyone getting all enraged? I really don't understand when it became an established rule around here that anyone who likes Live has to be wearing EA glasses....what's up with that? People are being made fun of just because they prefer Live over 2k8. And on the flip side, just because someone likes 2K8 it doesn't automatically make them a fanboy or anything like that. People are getting upset just because someone likes one game over the other even if they provide good reasons why (I know, what one person considers a good reason another person doesn't, but there has to be some middle ground). Now people are ISP and IP spying just discredit someone's opinion on a video game? That's a little extreme (whether you are an EA or 2K fan). It looks like we will have two good basketball games to choose from this year, why can't people just be o.k. with that and discuss the two games civilly?
      Yup, that's a point I see you making. My posts were simply to respond to the ridiculous claims being made here in this thread.

      If you like Live, great. Enjoy bro. But to try and harp on another game and then fail miserably, all while trying to seem... impartial? It's just as silly as the blunt statements made by some here. (Of course, I'm not referring to you Ill).
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        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #93
        Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

        Originally posted by ThaGenecyst




        "Uhh.... WHAT????"
        Funny, I feel the same way in reading why 2k8 is not a "true" next gen title.
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        • Bornindamecca
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          • Jul 2007
          • 10919

          #94
          Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

          Originally posted by SageTheInfinite
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          • noshun
            MVP
            • Sep 2006
            • 1150

            #95
            Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

            Originally posted by Illustrator76
            Why can't everyone just understand that people will like one game or another based on their own tastes? Some people may not like 2K's gameplay (which some feel sacrifices some control to look more realistic), while others may not care for Live's (which some feel sacrifices some realism in favor of simpler control). What I don't get is that unless people are saying that NBA Live08 is the greatest game ever (especially without even playing it yet) and that NBA2K8 is stupid (or vise versa), why is everyone getting all enraged? I really don't understand when it became an established rule around here that anyone who likes Live has to be wearing EA glasses....what's up with that? People are being made fun of just because they prefer Live over 2k8. And on the flip side, just because someone likes 2K8 it doesn't automatically make them a fanboy or anything like that. People are getting upset just because someone likes one game over the other even if they provide good reasons why (I know, what one person considers a good reason another person doesn't, but there has to be some middle ground). Now people are ISP and IP spying just discredit someone's opinion on a video game? That's a little extreme (whether you are an EA or 2K fan). It looks like we will have two good basketball games to choose from this year, why can't people just be o.k. with that and discuss the two games civilly?
            I dont have an issue with peoples opinions. if you enjoy the game fine.. thats cool with me. Some people like to continually force the issue saying such and such isnt next gen, and vice versa. as far as IP/ISP info, its not hard to get, anyone can do it. In AP/Gumz/Afros case.. he considers next gen with graphics mostly... which isnt always the case and that basically is his whole argument... not that Im trying to say is opinion isnt valid, it is. But he tends to point out faults without giving fair shake to the both games in that regard.
            I think thats what most of the 2k/ea back and forth stems from.. people tend to point the fault from 1 game, while blindeyeing the other. Anyways its all good discussion, atleast we're talking about the games in general.

            Last edited by noshun; 09-23-2007, 08:32 PM.
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            • SageInfinite
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              • Jul 2002
              • 11896

              #96
              Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

              Originally posted by Pared
              Funny, I feel the same way in reading why 2k8 is not a "true" next gen title.
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              • chadskee
                MVP
                • Dec 2006
                • 1324

                #97
                Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                NBA Live is heading in the right direction, and it seems a little fun to me but I never like giving EA my money. (I have been bitter since the NFL license) I am a basketball player and a sim player through and through and 2k gives me what I'm looking for. Once the ISOmotion is mastered it becomes more responsive and rewarding than before. I just can't handle the animation and movement of players in live, I like it to be fluid and real looking.

                2k this year, but I will always entertain the idea of a different game if its better.

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                • Illustrator76
                  Sorry, I Got Nothing...
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2216

                  #98
                  Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                  Originally posted by noshun
                  I dont have an issue with peoples opinions. if you enjoy the game fine.. thats cool with me. Some people like to continually force the issue saying such and such isnt next gen, and vice versa. as far as IP/ISP info, its not hard to get, anyone can do it. In AP/Gumz/Afros case.. he considers next gen with graphics mostly... which isnt always the case and that basically is his whole argument... not that Im trying to say is opinion isnt valid, it is. But he tends to point out faults without giving fair shake to the both games in that regard.
                  I think thats what most of the 2k/ea back and forth stems from.. people tend to point the fault from 1 game, while blindeyeing the other. Anyways its all good discussion, atleast we're talking about the games in general.

                  I actually agree with your statement a lot. I mentioned something like this in another thread where people don't seem to want to give Live credit for ANYTHING (I'm NOT saying that the reverse doesn't happen, I'm just referring to what I posted about). Even if you don't like one game or another there are still some positives to each one. Some games may have more positives than others, but at least give a game credit for the things it does right. It's like Madden 08, personally I hate the game and love APF, but I will give Madden credit for the graphical quality of their stadiums and grass textures (and in SOME ways their player models), I simply won't say that the whole game is crap just because I want to vomit everytime I play it. Also as I stated in my previous post, I think that this whole accepted OS rule that you have to be wearing EA glasses in order to like NBA Live is wack. If someone likes Live, then they like Live, if they like 2K8 then they like 2K8, no need to start going all grade school on cats by labeling them or making fun of them simply because they don't like what you do. I will admit that I am looking forward to Live a little more than 2K8 this year, but I will most likley end up getting and playing both. In the end you do make a great point in that people need to realize the flaws in BOTH games and stop acting like their game of choice's crap don't stink.

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                  • obie
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 337

                    #99
                    Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                    Usually the first step towards catharsis is losing all semblence of a moderate voice in favor of hyperbole and polemics. Then people are either going to engage those extremes at face value, or disdain the behavior entirely. Inevitably this spirals down into personal attacks and people putting their personal integrity at stake over something that they had no part in creating.

                    I swear this is straight out of a book I read in college. I could be wrong, but it sounds so familiar.

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                    • HMcCoy
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8212

                      #100
                      Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                      All the people complaining about comments reguarding Livefan being called out for preferring ease of control over strict realism must have missed post #31 in this thread. Some posters constantly act so offended at that view, but conveniently skip the significant number of posts from Live supporters, not the "OMG OS is so biased whaaaaa" 2k fans...but guys who really like Live that have said it themselves.
                      Last edited by HMcCoy; 09-25-2007, 01:50 AM.
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                      • Muzyk23
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 4192

                        #101
                        Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                        Originally posted by Tomba321
                        Personally? I feel that NBA Live 08 has the biggest bang for the buck...

                        It has an arena where you can play with you favorite Basketball star then it has all the modes of current gen back then it has the ORIGINAL all star weekend and dunk competitions...

                        And then it's just SUCH as improvement over NBA Live 07 that it warrants a purchase this year.

                        NBA 2k8 (unless I CAN put the dribbling on the right stick, "I'm hoping )
                        feels worse than last year, when last year it felt new...
                        '... it's SUCH an improvement over 07 ... ' are you kidding me? what did you expect? how can a basketball game get worse than that? it's a lame argument
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                        • jmood88
                          Sean Payton: Retribution
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 34639

                          #102
                          Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                          Originally posted by EWRMETS
                          2k is way too stiff to have the feel of the pro game as well.
                          Not at all.
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                          Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                          If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                          • EWRMETS
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 7491

                            #103
                            Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                            Originally posted by jmood88
                            Not at all.
                            Yeah it is. If I get a pro game it will probably be 2k but the way they move doesn't look natural. They often are crunched over for some reason with the new animations.

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                            • 23
                              yellow
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 66469

                              #104
                              Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                              Originally posted by EWRMETS
                              Yeah it is. If I get a pro game it will probably be 2k but the way they move doesn't look natural. They often are crunched over for some reason with the new animations.
                              You're probably mashing the stick forward not taking momentum into account.

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                              • jmood88
                                Sean Payton: Retribution
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 34639

                                #105
                                Re: Just when you thought they were on the right track...

                                Originally posted by EWRMETS
                                Yeah it is. If I get a pro game it will probably be 2k but the way they move doesn't look natural. They often are crunched over for some reason with the new animations.
                                The only time that they are crouched over is when you are trying to sprint past halfcourt, which is what should be happening. If 2k doesn't look natural then there isn't any other game that looks natural. 2k8 has the best animations of any of the three basketball games.
                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                                If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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