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  • yuckmoufjonez
    Pro
    • Sep 2005
    • 551

    #31
    Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

    Originally posted by Sonicmage
    3 to 4 months of time between release and the design phase of the next version, for a 12 month dev cycle? Please tell me you meant to say weeks, not months.

    Our situation at the company I work for is a lot different, as we have ten developers cycling through three major projects at once, one of them being development of backend systems for a major online title. We typically don't have the luxury of a big down time between cycles, usually reaching major milestones on Friday, and then starting something new on Monday (or even voluntarily on Sunday, in some cases). Since our developers have such a big role in the design process, we put a lot of care into our software systems, and make them as stable and efficient as we possibly can. That doesn't mean a nagging bug won't creep in there every once in a while, though. If it came down to a choice of spending a week or two to patch intermittent problems that happen to less than 1% of our customers or putting more effort into reaching a major milestone on time with better quality for an exciting new feature, I am going to choose choice B nine times out of ten. That's not to say we ignore our customers with these problems for our existing software, as we usually find a way to compensate them or inform them of possible workarounds in a quick, orderly fashion.

    The only point I was trying to make was to say that there are no obligations for EA to patch this game for this particular scenario. There is no punishment or repercussions if they don't do it. The customer base will always be there, just by name recognition alone, which is a major luxury they still have for now. They probably wouldn't have thrown money around to acquire so many reputable dev houses in the past year if they were struggling. And there is no such thing as a bug-free piece of software. There is a positive correlation between the amount of bugs and the size and complexity of a given application, which is a fact that some refuse to accept. I have yet to see a game title ship with a bug list less than 50, including a few class B problems and the occasional class A, and that is after the producers or lead programmer have already gone through the list to remove what they consider to be small problems, just to cover their behinds. I'm sure your game projects have been no exception. All of this info used to frustrate me, too, until I got my CS degree and started working with real systems, seeing the grass on the other side.

    My question for you would be if you are a programmer, too. Not to say that you are like this, but I've dealt with managers who have absolutely no clue about the problem-solving process that goes into writing good, manageable code and they are so out-of-touch with the capabilities of current technology. I guess I only trust project leads who have really been there in the trenches writing code into the wee hours of the morning, because they seem to be the easiest to work with and the most knowledgeable and reasonable with setting deadlines.

    P.S. I liked your little sign-off. It kind of reminded me of high school, where some kid would make a long, boring speech about nothing for a class and then throw in a "_______ High School football rules!" to get the applause.
    I've stated what needed to be said and I will leave it at that... No need for me to cheap shot ignorance.
    I'm tired of thinking of sigs......

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    • jcstinger
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 224

      #32
      Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

      Stephensonmc, I too like many other am having the long load time "glitch" but mine actually went a way for a little bit. It happened when I got the Orange Box,Halflife 2 game, I put that game in my 360 and it had to update, which it did then I played it for an hour. then I popped in live to play a game of that and to my surprise the long load times where gone...... But then a day later I went on line with live to see if there was a roster update, which there wasnt, went back to play a regular game and the load times where back. So it could be some issue with the online part of the game. I pose the question to the people who have Live but dont have there 360 on line.......Do you people have long load times?

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      • joel0078
        Pro
        • Sep 2006
        • 754

        #33
        Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

        same here stinger. My load times improved after I played a couple games of 2k8. It only lasted for a game or two, then went back to taking forever.

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        • Pared
          Legen - WAIT FOR IT
          • Feb 2003
          • 39337

          #34
          Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

          Originally posted by Sonicmage
          Nope, but I have worked in the game industry and software development for some time now. I don't see why it would be bad if I did work for EA in this case, because obviously they understand their situation a little better than you do. I work for a small company and these issues that come up are the same. The technology is there, but it takes man-hours, plenty of them, to fix bugs, and that can't be ignored. Its easy to be the customer and point at issue after issue screaming "Fix it! Fix it!", but often this behavior stems from unreasonable expectations.

          Bugs are a natural part of any software system. They're expected to show up every once in a while, and even in some cases they can be beneficial because they shield potentially worse problems. In an ideal world, all software would be beautiful, clean, and perfect, but in reality, good code takes time, LOTS of time. Working on patching these issues requires using resources that have to come from somewhere. In this case, most likely, developers would need to be pulled from the Live 2009 project to work on a patch that would probably yield no significant benefit for the company financially. What's worse is that the 3 weeks that those developers were pulled for a Live 2008 patch could have been used to prevent a potential disaster in Live 2009, you never know. If it was my decision, I would choose to keep everyone on the Live 2009 project, and forget doing any major patches for 2008.

          Do I wish for as few issues as possible in these games so I can get more enjoyment out of them? Of course. I just don't want to see Live 2009 have any chance of being jeopardized because of focus on a few relatively trivial problems with an already released product.

          I don't want to invade your little thread here any further. I just wanted to point out that EA, or any other game developer, is not obligated at all to make any changes or release any patches for their products, post-release, for issues at the level you describe.
          I want to play Devil's Advocate here for a bit.

          You make some sound points but at $60 a game, isn't it fair to say the extra money we're paying for these games should warrant at least SOME sort of "post purchase" support?

          The video game industry is evolving and so should the publishers/developers. The Consumer is a much more vocal animal today than it was was 5, 6 years ago. These companies should take notice.

          To be fair, I as the consumer feel like even with all this "advanced tech" that I'm getting shafted with some of these games and their bugs and glitches.

          I again will point to the developers. They have many methods of reaching out to their consumer. When you see the ones that do actually use consumer feedback and have a close relationship via forums and other means, you can typically see a higher quality in their game and much more appreciative buyers.
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          • sportyguyfl31
            MVP
            • Nov 2005
            • 4745

            #35
            Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

            Once upon a time, NBA Live had everything you could possibly want in a basketball game. That game was NBA Live 05.

            Every team in the league had a coaching profile...substitution tendency, offensive tempo, defensive pressure..they had complete inside triangle, sideline triangle, utah high post, stagger screen, motion, box, and low post sets...you had a full range of man and zone presses and traps.

            Players fatigued and substituted properly

            The game had personality..Shaq was a back down beast, Tmac had these gliding.. swooping dunks..Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace made venturing into the paint a nightmare against the Pistons, while the Kings were finesse team.

            It had all of that and still kept its "NBA Live-ness" ...

            WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED TO THE COMPANY THAT MADE THAT GAME???

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            • sleepytercel
              Banned
              • Sep 2004
              • 605

              #36
              Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

              I think it's funny that people commend the company for making a playable game. I guess it is good marketing strategy to make a completely BS game one year and improve it to a mediocre one the next. That really shows that they care. I can not commend such blantant exploitations of the ignorant minds. EA gets no respect turning crap into a pickle in a glass of milk. Crap shouldn't have been there in the first place.

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #37
                Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

                Originally posted by sportyguyfl31
                Once upon a time, NBA Live had everything you could possibly want in a basketball game. That game was NBA Live 05.

                Every team in the league had a coaching profile...substitution tendency, offensive tempo, defensive pressure..they had complete inside triangle, sideline triangle, utah high post, stagger screen, motion, box, and low post sets...you had a full range of man and zone presses and traps.

                Players fatigued and substituted properly

                The game had personality..Shaq was a back down beast, Tmac had these gliding.. swooping dunks..Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace made venturing into the paint a nightmare against the Pistons, while the Kings were finesse team.

                It had all of that and still kept its "NBA Live-ness" ...

                WHAT IN THE WORLD HAPPENED TO THE COMPANY THAT MADE THAT GAME???
                I've said this time and time again. '05 was their last solid title.
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                • evarts2616
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 387

                  #38
                  Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

                  Originally posted by sleepytercel
                  I think it's funny that people commend the company for making a playable game. I guess it is good marketing strategy to make a completely BS game one year and improve it to a mediocre one the next. That really shows that they care. I can not commend such blantant exploitations of the ignorant minds. EA gets no respect turning crap into a pickle in a glass of milk. Crap shouldn't have been there in the first place.
                  If the game is so bad why in the world would OS give it a 7.0?

                  Isn't that a score more reflective of a solid game than a bad game or did the scores change now because it's NBA Live. The game is solid not great but it's far from bad like some of you seem to keep trying to convince others. No one is commending EA based on one year from the next they are commending EA for this years game alone.

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                  • sleepytercel
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2004
                    • 605

                    #39
                    Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

                    Originally posted by evarts2616
                    If the game is so bad why in the world would OS give it a 7.0?

                    Isn't that a score more reflective of a solid game than a bad game or did the scores change now because it's NBA Live. The game is solid not great but it's far from bad like some of you seem to keep trying to convince others. No one is commending EA based on one year from the next they are commending EA for this years game alone.
                    The answer is simple. The reviewer liked the game more than I did. I personally think it's a 5. I don't care what OS, Gamepro, IGN, Gamespot, or anyone else gives it. I just don't think we should give EA props for making a poor game and then improving what many considered as the worst NBA game ever. If every gaming company had that mentality, there'd probably be a videogame crash again. You can't make crap on purpose to make it look like you're putting real effort in the game on the next one. Live, in my opinion, is a PSOne game with next-gen graphics. It tries absolutely NOTHING to push the genre forward, and that to me, is simply lazy and uninspired. It's almost like the developers just don't care... or lack imagination.

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                    • joel0078
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 754

                      #40
                      Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

                      I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I created this thread as a means to address a techinical issue with this game. Some of you are trying to turn this thread into something it is not. There are a hundred other threads in this forum that address the issue of how good or bad the game is. This is not one of them. I would appreciate it if the users here would please take this into consideration and keep your posts relative to the topic, as I intended it to be. Thank you.

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                      • Rob. D
                        PC/PS4 Gamer
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 676

                        #41
                        Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

                        just stop playing it thats what i did lmao

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                        • hokupguy
                          All Star
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 5615

                          #42
                          Re: NBA Live needs to be fixed

                          its not getting a patch , just ebay it this the best time to do it.
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