I am gettin burned by the PG's in this game on the perimeter.. How do I play D on this game?? Im holdin the LT but the computer just blows by me.. lol..
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Re: How in the world do you Play on Ball Defense??
The same thing used to happen to me. Try to not play so close to the ball handler. This is what I started doing and everything was goodCeltics-Red Sox-Patriots
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Don't press all into them. Try to imagine staying in front of them while they are dribbling. Mostly when they get you in one of those 'humping' animations its good to hold back instead of pushing into them because if you push into them they will probably cross you.
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lol, this keeps coming up, we need a defense thread
Stop overplaying PG's on defense man. You're basically holding up a sign to say GO BY ME NOW
Don't pressure a fast guards, you only do that to guys like spot up shooters.
You wouldn't be all up on AI because he'd burn you. Same with the game, don't be sooooo aggressive, but play smart. As long as he's not running, just do how they taught in school ball drills and slide your feet or laterally move. Stay between him and the basket.
You can get on him to prevent him from just having a wide open path to the bucket but do it fast enough and just enough to push him back some then move back off of him some. You see it happen in the nba all the time but its not one of those things you pay close attention to.Comment
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yeah what ILL said is true and it also depends on the player, but i really hope next year they get rid of that engage hump animation they just throw your as to the side and get a easy bucket lol.Comment
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I actually like the D in this game. In 2K the players seem "sticky" and it's too easy drape yourself onto a ballhandler. In this game you need to stay back and keep your body between the ball handler and the basket. You lean into somebody in real life you get burned a lot. How do you think Shaq gets all those spin move dunks?Comment
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Yeah you better start a defensive thread KDRE.
I love how the Lockdown-D is implemented this year. The execution is simple but there are so many intricacies and strategic elements to it. In real life you play defense with your feet - bodying up your man or backing off, moving your feet laterally to avoid penetration - and in Live this is replicated well by the left analog. That is all you need. The left analog is your feet. (don't even rely on the defensive assist button, I think it is only used for squaring up your man). I've said this before but I feel like 2k's lockdown is a bit too cumbersome because aside from holding down the lockdown button, you have to flick your right analog stick to decide whether to play your man tight or loose, to the left or to the right, when all you really should be doing is moving your feet, in other words, moving the left analog stick.
Sounds simple? Not at all. This is where the intricacies come in. When you're engaged with your man, you really have to watch him:
- Watch his speed: if you overcommit to playing him on one side (pushing your left analog stick all the way to that one side), he can easily get by you with a quick direction change
- Watch his animations: stay with him like white on rice, if it looks like he's trying to crossover/spin/behind the back to the other side, anticipate and quickly change your directions, but again, don't overcommit (don't push the left analog stick all the way)
- Never be lackadasical(?) with your defense: before, I used to let the driving animation pan out automatically, not pressing anything, then realizing that once my opponent has already changed directions I'm only beginning to move my left analog stick again. Make sure you're always moving your left analog stick, shadowing your man.
- Know who to play tight or loose defense against, and know if the man you're using is a good defender or not. Because sometimes, no matter what you do, you'll get burned by quick offensive players.
It feels so rewarding to anticipate a drive by my opponent, bodying him up, cutting off his crossover, cutting of his spin, then finally he's forced to pass the ball. It feels like an achievement everytime. Plus Steve Kerr (or was it Marv) will let you know of your good defense. :wink:
On the other hand, like some have said, there are some quirky animations still, and yeah sometimes bumping off defenders is an easy way to create space for offense.Last edited by 23bluesman; 10-09-2008, 11:42 PM.Comment
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Excellent post Bluesman!Comment
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The same on offense. When you bring the ball up court, you can barely move the stick and he'll walk the ball up the court, press it forward and he'll run it up the court, and you dont even need to hit the turbo button
You can use the same pressure on defense when as 23blues said the man is trying to get around you when you're riding his hip, dont just let the animation play out, back off some to cut him off, dont just let him get by.
In other words you have to put some work in, you have to move, you have to anticipate which way he likes to go, which like Lamar Odom drives left alot, you can not always stop him but force him into a shot he doesn't want to take or do something other than what he was trying to do which in alot of cases they will pass the ball.
The star players are a draw because those guys are what they are star players.
Its the other players that you scratch your head on because they do anything to get loose and chuck shots.. like Jameer, and Chucky AtkinsComment
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well guys like chucky atkins and jameer nelson are 2 guards masqueradiin in PG bodies, they are chuckers lol
I'm very confused though. I find the left trigger to be awfully useless.
I know I move with the left thumbstick..and the right stick is the defense stance...and that seems to be the combo that "locks me on"..is this correct?
what i find near impossible is getting from that position to contest a shot...and switching off of a man in time as well.
I find on ball defense in the post to be impossible as well.
I want to be able to know the basics of what I have to do before deciding if i need to tinker with sliders or difficulty level.Comment
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Keep practicingComment
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The light bulb went on.
Its ALL about body positioning. I played Lakers-Rockets on default superstar. After giving up 30 points in the 1st quarter (9 min quarters), I almost quit, but I decided to just bear down and concentrate.
The ability to contest a shot properly is based on whether or not you are in proper defensive position.
you friggen actually have to pay attention to what hand the player is shooting with!
I just concentrated on bodying up, overplaying the dribble hand and shading to the side the player was releasing the shot from.
The same thing worked for post defense..play them one way, and then anticipate the turn. It was hard against Yao, but it should be.
they only scored 55 pts the rest of the game and I won by 12 with a late 4th quarter run.
Funny thing started to happen. The CPU got less wide open drive and kicks, and I was able to force turnovers as I forced the dribbler into a crowd more often...and the CPU went on soem cold streaks.
This is a really immersive way to play defense...it took a ton of concentration.Last edited by sportyguyfl31; 10-10-2008, 09:48 PM.Comment
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You realize in the REAL game of basketball you dont play D too close to the man with the rock while out on the outside? Watch a real nba game on tv...i think LIVE09 did it NICE this year and those hump animations come in handy close to the rim..i think its a perfect mix overall and it FEELS good too..
I think the way Live09 approached D this year is ACE..it NEEDS some polish but its very well done and works great this year. I feel that the work you must put in makes it feel more like your reallly on the court then any other game because you must anticipate your opponents moves and it always keeps you on your tippy toes..which i like...hard to believe a videogame makes you feel this way. Why some game reviewers dont see this baffles me..owell.
Simply put..when the cpu or your opponent has the rock on the outs... you NEVER play close D..he'll run right past you. Alteast thats what i see on tv and what my bball coach use to teach us kids on the high school basketball team lol..maybe im wrong but thats how i see it and grew up learning and if im wrong then the nba is wrong and so was my coach .. to this very day he still coaches bball for my old HS team..and he has a few state championships under his belt now..
He's a spit'n image of bobby knight too!! lol
Last edited by Moegames; 10-10-2008, 09:05 PM...You win some, you lose some
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and there it is.
Problem is we're used to playing defense the old way, we're used to stopping a drive just because a player runs into the defenders arm, etc...
This way you really have to work, you have to be active, you have to move your feet and you can cause all kinds of havoc.
That's why I said keep practicing. I didn't get it at first either, then it started coming to me as I played more.Comment
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