NBA Live's + EA's credibility is on the line...

[Court_vision]

Some of you may have read my posts in the 2K forums re 2Ks engine.

Somehow that partially turned into a "you can't believe EA's hype machine" / "EA spits out the same old lines every year" attack.

I can see where they are coming from...but I'm willing to give this whole new LIVE team the benefit of the doubt.

IMO these guys are legit and it's not simply PR gimmicks.

Maybe I am being naive and am wrong...I've been wrong plenty of times before.

It's pretty clear though that there's a huge amount of scepticism about anything EA say and do nowadays.

I guess they are paying the price for their past. I think their future credibility really is on the line with LIVE 10.

What do you fellas think? Simply PR hype? Or a legit change of direction and a big step forward in basketball gaming?

[pbz06]

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huh? Live has been getting better every year, and they admit they have a ways to go still. Developers post on these forums and are communicating with the members here. Live '10 is already sounding promising. They made some great strides this year too.

[BiggD]

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Some of you may have read my posts in the 2K forums re 2Ks engine.

Somehow that partially turned into a "you can't believe EA's hype machine" / "EA spits out the same old lines every year" attack.

I can see where they are coming from...but I'm willing to give this whole new LIVE team the benefit of the doubt.

IMO these guys are legit and it's not simply PR gimmicks.

Maybe I am being naive and am wrong...I've been wrong plenty of times before.

It's pretty clear though that there's a huge amount of scepticism about anything EA say and do nowadays.

I guess they are paying the price for their past. I think their future credibility really is on the line with LIVE 10.

What do you fellas think? Simply PR hype? Or a legit change of direction and a big step forward in basketball gaming?

i think its a legit change...in the last interview you can really feel there excitement. Plus the bball producer god that is Mr.Wang is gonna make everything alright

[EWRMETS]

Re: NBA Live's + EA's credibility is on the line...

NBA Live 09 is already a better game than 2k9.

[LingeringRegime]

Re: NBA Live's + EA's credibility is on the line...

Live 10 will be the best bball game next year.

[bkrich83]

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NBA Live 09 is already a better game than 2k9.

Agreed. For the first time in I can't remember how long, I am playing Live. After spending time with 2k's game, I have absolutely no desire to play NBA 2k9.

[EWRMETS]

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Agreed. For the first time in I can't remember how long, I am playing Live. After spending time with 2k's game, I have absolutely no desire to play NBA 2k9.

Me neither. 2k9 is pretty animations covering bad gameplay. Live's animations are rough but the core gameplay is great.

[Behindshadows]

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Some of you may have read my posts in the 2K forums re 2Ks engine.

Somehow that partially turned into a "you can't believe EA's hype machine" / "EA spits out the same old lines every year" attack.

I can see where they are coming from...but I'm willing to give this whole new LIVE team the benefit of the doubt.

IMO these guys are legit and it's not simply PR gimmicks.

Maybe I am being naive and am wrong...I've been wrong plenty of times before.

It's pretty clear though that there's a huge amount of scepticism about anything EA say and do nowadays.

I guess they are paying the price for their past. I think their future credibility really is on the line with LIVE 10.

What do you fellas think? Simply PR hype? Or a legit change of direction and a big step forward in basketball gaming?

See the problem lies with the fact, that Live 06,07, and 08 were all on the right path but always came up short on gameplay.

2k has always had solid gameplay (or does it?) it's more like 2k had more familiar gameplay, meaning it didn't change much to alienate the masses who love it.

Where as EA tried new things every year and failed to complete the job, in conclusion the games came out poor and didn't live up to the hype.

But to defend the 2k engine and that ignorant thread of bias fanboys. You will never get your point across no matter how much you argue, it's time to upgrade. Because 2kfans are comfortable with what is already there and don't want change. Familiar is good enough, the old if it ain't broke method.

Why not just except it's time to change broken or not! It's like a old person still living in the past, instead of moving with the present and trying to live in present day!

2k is that engine that was once an 8 - track, then it moved to a nice cassette, and another day into a nice CD.

When EA is all that, except when moving to the CD era they sold scratched up products with low quality! So they jumped the CD era and are now trying to go XM/ and IPOD! Using technology as an advancement and making it able for them to add things that a CD just can't do anymore.

While 2k continues to be a quality CD product, with new prints every time it's released.

EA's tarnished history is their own worse enemy. And now with the new developers trying to re-write was was bad, so that their future won't bare the same mark. Some people aren't willing to except the change (2kfans). And some are ready for the change!(The true sports gamer)

Mainly because we love basketball games, and we want the best product out, regardless of who is throwing their label on it. We've given them another chance! So CV love what you like and allow them to love what they like.

As a gamer you can't persuade other gamers to like something or try something they have no intentions on giving a fair chance even if they did play it. Because the moment those guys in that 2k thread, boot up a copy of Live 09 or even the future Live 10. They aren't looking for a solid game, they will be looking for flaws in the game itself, so they can post all the negative things about it and boast more about the 2k basketball games.

EA's credibility is here, Live 09 has proved that good is within this new team! And like BK, CV, and many others know.

Live 10 will be the truth!

[Court_vision]

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Shadows

I don't think those guys are 'fanboys'. They are all good posters and have been for a long time.

I do think it's kind of crazy that everyone is so defensive about things though.

This is what I mean by "EA's cred" is on the line...they have to win over exactly these type of guys. People are who aren't ready to trust EA / people who have a bad history with EA / people who've been burnt in the past by EA and aren't willing to give them another chance.

Look how many posts in that thread said "Live is garbage" etc...to me, that suggests people haven't even given this seasons game a chance / aren't willing to give EA a chance.

Those are the guys that need to be won over. That's going to take a lot of doing.

[DirtyJerz32]

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cosign, ditto & everyhing else!!!!

[GSW]

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<- witness

[NINJAK2]

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See the problem lies with the fact, that Live 06,07, and 08 were all on the right path but always came up short on gameplay.

2k has always had solid gameplay (or does it?) it's more like 2k had more familiar gameplay, meaning it didn't change much to alienate the masses who love it.

Where as EA tried new things every year and failed to complete the job, in conclusion the games came out poor and didn't live up to the hype.

But to defend the 2k engine and that ignorant thread of bias fanboys. You will never get your point across no matter how much you argue, it's time to upgrade. Because 2kfans are comfortable with what is already there and don't want change. Familiar is good enough, the old if it ain't broke method.

Why not just except it's time to change broken or not! It's like a old person still living in the past, instead of moving with the present and trying to live in present day!

2k is that engine that was once an 8 - track, then it moved to a nice cassette, and another day into a nice CD.

When EA is all that, except when moving to the CD era they sold scratched up products with low quality! So they jumped the CD era and are now trying to go XM/ and IPOD! Using technology as an advancement and making it able for them to add things that a CD just can't do anymore.

While 2k continues to be a quality CD product, with new prints every time it's released.

EA's tarnished history is their own worse enemy. And now with the new developers trying to re-write was was bad, so that their future won't bare the same mark. Some people aren't willing to except the change (2kfans). And some are ready for the change!(The true sports gamer)

Mainly because we love basketball games, and we want the best product out, regardless of who is throwing their label on it. We've given them another chance! So CV love what you like and allow them to love what they like.

As a gamer you can't persuade other gamers to like something or try something they have no intentions on giving a fair chance even if they did play it. Because the moment those guys in that 2k thread, boot up a copy of Live 09 or even the future Live 10. They aren't looking for a solid game, they will be looking for flaws in the game itself, so they can post all the negative things about it and boast more about the 2k basketball games.

EA's credibility is here, Live 09 has proved that good is within this new team! And like BK, CV, and many others know.

Live 10 will be the truth!

With all due respect BS you were spitting a lot of BS with some of those generalizations and assumptions. I have indeed played Live and see the blossoming potential. I think it's hilarious that people are putting on those hindsight glasses with 20/20 vision and saying 2k should have started over and they would have had their backs in the process. You sound like it's ok that Live put out 06-08 that were short on gameplay because they were "on the right track" and you like 09. The truth is 2k has always had higher expectations to be the end all be all sim with each release. Live just had to be fun and nail some fundamentals and they usually would get a pass. As long as they are trying hard...........

To use a car as an analogy do you go get a brand new car when your car isn't working to perfection or do you take it to a mechanic and see what can be done to get it back running up to speed? Your car has been good to you for this long right??

Do you think that 2k fans don't want the game to improve at all? Most fans of 2k want the game to simply fix the issues. If those issues can't be fixed within the engine then it's time to upgrade. Until I hear from someone currently on staff with the company that it can't be done then I will worry. We don't want a bad game either. Not everyone that disagrees with you is bias, they just have opinions of their own that differ. That seems to be a point most people are forgetting when it comes to these discussions. Too many people are labeling others and not respecting one another's opinions.

[Behindshadows]

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With all due respect BS you were spitting a lot of BS with some of those generalizations and assumptions. I have indeed played Live and see the blossoming potential. I think it's hilarious that people are putting on those hindsight glasses with 20/20 vision and saying 2k should have started over and they would have had their backs in the process. You sound like it's ok that Live put out 06-08 that were short on gameplay because they were "on the right track" and you like 09. The truth is 2k has always had higher expectations to be the end all be all sim with each release. Live just had to be fun and nail some fundamentals.

Do you think that 2k fans don't want the game to improve at all? Most fans of 2k want the game to simply fix the issues. If those issues can't be fixed within the engine then it's time to upgrade. Until I hear from someone currently on staff with the company that it can't be done then will worry. We don't want a bad game either. Not everyone that disagrees with you is bias, they just have opinions of their own that differ.

Glad you feel like I called you out! But I didn't single out anyone. I'm a 2k fan that wants change! But again you have many that don't! That's why I said fanboys! You have some people that are loyal to the end on don't want a better game because it's good enough for them no matter what.

Remember when Live 07 was a piece of craptastic trash and the Live websites and forums, sent out a protest and complained out the *** on how bad that **** was. And what happened, EA went to hire better people to fix the game.

Well similar situation with 2k series, except it's not a developer issue, its more software and technology, in which Take-Two refuses to provide for them or financially back up.

I know what I'm talking about, I'm a software person, that is what I do every day, I deal with software and technology. So when we discuss engines for these games. People started blasting me in the 2k threads saying we are just throwing the name out there and making a mockery of our comments and post.

After all the years I've been on OS, the 2ksports.com, and other forum doing rosters for NBA 2k and CH 2k and even a year for NFL 2k. And people try to call me out and laugh about what I speak of like I'm an idiot or something.

Well point in case, I might not like EA's games 100% like I did 2ksports!

But I'll be damn if it's not about to go that direction. Because I'm seeing the technology and advances I would love to see with 2ksports games. As I've pointed out many times of their level of talent (2ksports), but people seem to over look that, even though I continue to write that and give them beyond the ends of credit!

Because people are too busy, noticing the fact that I'm dissing the game, as if I got a vendetta again 2k9.

I'm furious on the level of quality in gameplay that 2k9 has fallen too.

I think its out dated and plays like crap. A lot of others do too otherwise they wouldn't continue to tweak it just to get it playable and enjoyable. Problem is people feel like if you complain about it, then your not a true fan or that your wrong for speaking of the nuances of the game.

You can say I'm full of BS and make fun of the initials and all that crap, but in the end of the day.

I'm a unbias gamer, who buys both games and can separate and play them both for what they deliver without trying to throw comparisons between the two just to make one look bad and the other good. Because honestly neither is up to perfection, but at least this season 1 made better advances (Live 09) while the other one (2k9) just tweaked things or should I say worked with what they had.

Since I know they could have done better, but software restrictions declined the option!

Peace!!!!

P.S. no I don't think all gamers who don't agree with me are bias, but no one needs to call me out as if I'm just saying these things to make you convert, I could care less if people ever play or buy Live.

But acknowledge the fact that something is definitely not right about 2k's game and also acknowledge that #1 selling or not they aren't moving forward from a technology standpoint and their games aren't upgrading it big standards like they use too on DC and Xbox!

One guy in that thread even said too me, I'm the only person that thinks this way and that I'm selfish. That everyone in that thread loves 2k9 and there is nothing wrong with it. Check the thread you'll see the post.

[Serra11]

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Agreed. For the first time in I can't remember how long, I am playing Live. After spending time with 2k's game, I have absolutely no desire to play NBA 2k9.

Exactly what's happened to me

[NINJAK2]

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Glad you feel like I called you out! But I didn't single out anyone. I'm a 2k fan that wants change! But again you have many that don't! That's why I said fanboys! You have some people that are loyal to the end on don't want a better game because it's good enough for them no matter what.

Remember when Live 07 was a piece of craptastic trash and the Live websites and forums, sent out a protest and complained out the *** on how bad that **** was. And what happened, EA went to hire better people to fix the game.

Well similar situation with 2k series, except it's not a developer issue, its more software and technology, in which Take-Two refuses to provide for them or financially back up.

I know what I'm talking about, I'm a software person, that is what I do every day I deal with software and technology. So when we discuss engines for these games. People started blasting me in the 2k threads saying we are just throwing the name out there and making a mockery of our comments and post.

After all the years I've been on OS, the 2ksports.com, and other forum doing rosters for NBA 2k and CH 2k every year and even 1 year for NFL 2k. And people try to call me out and laugh about what I speak of like I'm an idiot or something.

Well point in case, I might not like EA's games 100% like I did 2ksports! But I'll be damn if it's not about to go that direction. Because I'm seeing the technology and advances I would love to see with 2ksports games. As I've pointed out many times of their level of talent, but people seem to over look that I continue to write that and give them beyond the ends of credit. Because they are too busy, noticing the fact that I'm dissing the game, as if I got a vendetta again 2k9.

I'm furious on the level of quality in gameplay that 2k9 has fallen too. I think its out dated and plays like crap. A lot of others do too otherwise they wouldn't continue to tweak it just to get it playable and enjoyable. Problem is people feel like if you complain about it, then your not a true fan or that your wrong for speaking of the nuances of the game.

You can say I'm full of BS and make fun of the initials and all that crap, but in the end of the day.

I'm a unbias gamers, who buys both games and can separate and play them both for what the deliver without trying to throw comparisons between the two just to make one look bad and the other good. Because honestly neither is up too perfect standards, but at least this season 1 made better advances while the other one just tweaked things or should I say worked with what they had.

Since I know they could have done better, but software restrictions declined the option!

Peace!!!!

P.S. no I don't think all gamers who don't agree with me are bias, but no one needs to call me out as if I'm just saying to things to make you convert, I could care less if you ever play or buy Live.

But acknowledge the fact that something is definitely not right about 2k's game and also acknowledge that #1 selling or not they aren't moving forward from a technology standpoint and their games aren't upgrading it big standards like they use too on DC and Xbox!

One guy in that thread even said too me, I'm the only person that things this way and that I'm selfish. That everyone in that thread loves 2k9 and there is nothing wrong with it. Check the thread you'll see the post.

Look BS I'm not trying to make fun of your name, I'm just not a fast typer and I don't feel like typing your whole name out. You are a great poster whether you care how others see you or not. I get tired of getting lumped in with some of the zealots because people tend to use "all" instead of "some" when responding to others. This is a website not a face to face so words aren't as easily deciphered regarding to context.

I have talked about my issues with 2k9 on occasion and how I would like changes. I just don't go broken record with it like some do or request a complete overhaul like 2k is a dang Pinto or something. I don't do that because I know how repetetive negative comments can grate on those who are enjoying a game. I know that you, CV and others want the most out of these games. So do others. Like Malcom and MLK wanting the same thing but possesing different philosophies and ideas about how to achieve them so are those wanting the best for the 2k series. I am not trying to make this political by any means and I hope u see my point. Peace....