NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

**stephensonmc** · 09-23-2009, 02:32 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by JSKYWALKER1

Is their a reason some of the EA guys won't chime in and answer some of these simple questions????? Steph????? Is it because they are aware that some of the things we are noticing exist and they don't want to answer?????? They read the boards how about some clarification before "LOYAL" purchasers of their product find thenselves PO'd

Gameplay is Mike's bag and I'll let him answer.

**Flightwhite24** · 09-23-2009, 02:52 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by stephensonmc

Gameplay is Mike's bag and I'll let him answer.

Thanks Steph!!!!

**Pared** · 09-23-2009, 03:06 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by bls

Your not able to do that now? It's really not that difficult to do. Defensively I think their is room for improvement, theirs always room for improvement. But that's one thing I like about Live last year especially against a human player. It was much easier for me to keep stars such as Lebron and Kobe in front of me when I played against another user for the simple fact I could cut off their angles and body them. It was a much difficult task in 2k9. And also, sending guys in certain directions towards your help defense is also a strategic part of the game. They do this is real life games as well.

Defensively is the game perfect? No, but I think it does a pretty good job, especially with the help rotations. One thing that I haven't seen in this demo yet that was in Live 09 was defensive players rotating over and taking charges. Mcdyess use to do it a lot of times when I played with the Pistons online. I do think their should be defensive tendencies for defensive players as they are for offensive players. You have people like Varejo who are all over the court most of the time and looking to take charges, and people who look to block shots everytime on defensive rotations a la Ben Wallace in his Detroit Piston days.

Again, we keep pointing to the help rotations as a sign of adequate defense. The help defense isn't the issue here. I love the help defense... You should be able to take a lock down defender such as Ron Artest and almost bully the offensive player, not just "stay in front of them." You should be able to take Gasol and move Lewis from deep in the post. Your other points are exactly what I'm referring to as well. Each position has it's own little mini-game that the user should be playing.

Picking off passes is a very hit or miss scenario as well. I've seen a good number go through players.

The best way to describe the defense is adequate. The help defense is spectacular... but aside from that, the one on one man defense needs improvement. It needs involvement. Right now, you stay in front of your man and wait until they do something. That's boring. If you had to pick a side to play, what would you rather do? Not everyone wants to score, score, score.

If you (not being specific here) think I'm belaboring the point, you're reading my comments incorrectly.

Originally posted by JSKYWALKER1

Is their a reason some of the EA guys won't chime in and answer some of these simple questions????? Steph????? Is it because they are aware that some of the things we are noticing exist and they don't want to answer?????? They read the boards how about some clarification before "LOYAL" purchasers of their product find thenselves PO'd

I wouldn't call guys out like that so much here, sky. The devs have shown a willingness to take part in these discussions... if they don't respond to general comments, there is definitely a solid reason.

I just want the other side of the ball portrayed as well as the offense was this year. I loved the inclusion of the manual contest without leaving the feet (go back and read my posts when I figured it out and was helping others on the boards)... but it doesn't even really do anything. You can't use it when they are shooting.... which completely defeats the entire purpose of it.

**Flightwhite24** · 09-23-2009, 03:18 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by Pared

Again, we keep pointing to the help rotations as a sign of adequate defense. The help defense isn't the issue here. I love the help defense... You should be able to take a lock down defender such as Ron Artest and almost bully the offensive player, not just "stay in front of them." You should be able to take Gasol and move Lewis from deep in the post. Your other points are exactly what I'm referring to as well. Each position has it's own little mini-game that the user should be playing.

Picking off passes is a very hit or miss scenario as well. I've seen a good number go through players.

The best way to describe the defense is adequate. The help defense is spectacular... but aside from that, the one on one man defense needs improvement. It needs involvement. Right now, you stay in front of your man and wait until they do something. That's boring. If you had to pick a side to play, what would you rather do? Not everyone wants to score, score, score.

If you (not being specific here) think I'm belaboring the point, you're reading my comments incorrectly.

I wouldn't call guys out like that so much here, sky. The devs have shown a willingness to take part in these discussions... if they don't respond to general comments, there is definitely a solid reason.

I just want the other side of the ball portrayed as well as the offense was this year. I loved the inclusion of the manual contest without leaving the feet (go back and read my posts when I figured it out and was helping others on the boards)... but it doesn't even really do anything. You can't use it when they are shooting.... which completely defeats the entire purpose of it.

Pared that was not my intent to call Steph out or anyone for that matter and I hope it was not taken that way. Just wanted answers, nothing more. If anyone was offended it was not intended. Peace!!!

"EDIT" After re-reading my post it was too harsh and unwarranted. For that, I apologize to Steph & EA for the comments. Totally uncalled for. Peace!!!

23 · 09-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Jsky you missed alot of info and interaction going on here in the past few months so it would serve you best to go back and re read everything, blogs, previews, reviews because all of that info it out there.

**Flightwhite24** · 09-23-2009, 04:01 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by 23

Jsky you missed alot of info and interaction going on here in the past few months so it would serve you best to go back and re read everything, blogs, previews, reviews because all of that info it out there.

I don't think that will be necessary. We all at times fire off in the wrong manner as none of us are perfect at least I hope not

As far as I'm concerned the matter is done with. Those who know me on this forum can vouch that I try to be respectful to others as I would want others to be to me. Thanks for the referral it is appreciated. At some point I may go back through the threads and do some research or just wait for the final product comes out and read the feedback. Peace!!!!!

**bls** · 09-23-2009, 04:18 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by Pared

Again, we keep pointing to the help rotations as a sign of adequate defense. The help defense isn't the issue here. I love the help defense... You should be able to take a lock down defender such as Ron Artest and almost bully the offensive player, not just "stay in front of them." You should be able to take Gasol and move Lewis from deep in the post. Your other points are exactly what I'm referring to as well. Each position has it's own little mini-game that the user should be playing.

Picking off passes is a very hit or miss scenario as well. I've seen a good number go through players.

The best way to describe the defense is adequate. The help defense is spectacular... but aside from that, the one on one man defense needs improvement. It needs involvement. Right now, you stay in front of your man and wait until they do something. That's boring. If you had to pick a side to play, what would you rather do? Not everyone wants to score, score, score.

If you (not being specific here) think I'm belaboring the point, you're reading my comments incorrectly.

I wouldn't call guys out like that so much here, sky. The devs have shown a willingness to take part in these discussions... if they don't respond to general comments, there is definitely a solid reason.

I just want the other side of the ball portrayed as well as the offense was this year. I loved the inclusion of the manual contest without leaving the feet (go back and read my posts when I figured it out and was helping others on the boards)... but it doesn't even really do anything. You can't use it when they are shooting.... which completely defeats the entire purpose of it.

Pared I still don't really get what your saying. From what I see, the one on one defense is spot on to what you see in real life. You can't just go up to the ball handler and just body him all over the court. That's a foul. 95% of the time when contact is made it's the ball handler that made it. The defenders job is to keep the ball handler in front of him. When you see Artest playing defense, he is moving his feet, Battier, he is moving his feet. When contact has been made it's the offensive player into the defensive player which is never called a foul. This allows for the body contact similar to what you see in NBA Live. To me the locomotion/momentum of each player has added a variety to what you see defensive, and what player can guard another.

Improvement, Yes. But as of right now its pretty good to me.

**Jano** · 09-23-2009, 04:55 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by GSW

good point Born. I agree.

And I dont knwo but when I have Artest or Kobe on me in Live i defintly have to work for my points.

not saying the d is perfect...nothing ever is and it can always be improved.

just saying i can work with it.

Born's not talking about the CPU defense he's talking about the user's AI teammates on D. Some of the AI defenders don't perform like the Lockdown Defenders they are known to be.

Artest and Howards impact aren't that huge in demo when they are not user controlled. I honestly don't feel like I could put Artest on the offense's best player and he'll lock him down.

That's what my beef is, if I'm playing w/ a team that plays good D I shouldn't have control everything myself. My teammates should be able to play good D on their own because they are good defenders.

This won't effect players that control every player like I said earlier, but for those that like to rely on their teammates it can become a problem.

The good thing is all you have to do is make an adjustment and you can start playing good D. But this can scare off some players because most BBall games don't force you to play this way.

This is something I hope is improved in the final version. If its not I hope its something that is worked on for Live 11.

**lasthour** · 09-23-2009, 05:16 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

No the game is not perfect, but right now it feels like basketball. The game should make you have to work a little. The great defenders are better with their feet and upper body strength. Hence, they are harder to penetrate to the rim on.

23 · 09-23-2009, 05:18 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Well that's why we don't know yet because it could very well be in the final, or better yet tuned in the patch.. Or ratings adjustments last of all

Won't jump ahead to live 11 yet

**michaeljordanjr** · 09-23-2009, 05:40 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

everytime Carter guards me as Kobe and I juke into him then pull back as a spin he strips the ball this happens 100%. and vc is no arrest the demo has defense issues

**ehh** · 09-23-2009, 05:43 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by michaeljordanjr

everytime Carter guards me as Kobe and I juke into him then pull back as a spin he strips the ball this happens 100%. and vc is no arrest the demo has defense issues

So maybe you should stop doing that move?

23 · 09-23-2009, 05:57 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

lol

**RayDog253** · 09-23-2009, 06:18 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by michaeljordanjr

everytime Carter guards me as Kobe and I juke into him then pull back as a spin he strips the ball this happens 100%. and vc is no arrest the demo has defense issues

Either pull away from the defender, or wait until the body up animation has completed then cross to the opposite direction. Both work in different situations. You can force it to the rim if you have to, but it takes patience and timing.

**stephensonmc** · 09-23-2009, 07:35 PM

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

Originally posted by JSKYWALKER1

Pared that was not my intent to call Steph out or anyone for that matter and I hope it was not taken that way. Just wanted answers, nothing more. If anyone was offended it was not intended. Peace!!!

"EDIT" After re-reading my post it was too harsh and unwarranted. For that, I apologize to Steph & EA for the comments. Totally uncalled for. Peace!!!

c'mon!!

We all want the same thing here. No need to apologize. All good homie.

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