NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

[Da_Czar]

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I agree with pared in the sense that defense controls can always get better. I also agree with Born on the need for better execution from your AI teammates.

I do disagree on the premise that because more can be added to the defensive controls, that the defense is not now adequate enough to replicate realistic man on man defense. I am not saying that to say that is what Pared is saying.

Simply put I am enjoying the challenge of playing on ball defense this year. In the no handcheck era of the nba I don't believe the type of defense control to "force" offensive players in a direction would necessarily be a simulation of the nba game.

More tools are always welcome but at this point when playing I don't find myself at the mercy of the offense anymore than when playing real life basketball. You are free to overplay a side and with the right defender cause contract to encourage the offensive player to go to one side or the other.

So I am not of the opinion that the defense can't be improved. I do believe though that we have to tools necessary to have a balanced game of offense vs defense with the exception of our AI teammates who need to play more like themselves when not in our control.

[GSW]

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THANK YOU CZAR.

Without getting into a lengthy drawn out response.

I just want to ask you guys what exactly do you think defense is...and how can you nto play adequate defense in this game.?? what OTHER controls do THINK you need?

You can funnel the ball handler into your D, into the baseline, you can play angles (and it matters), you can 'bait' them into taking a shot you want, you can contest jumpers...you can strip the ball during layups, you can play 'physical' defense...

Im really trying to figure out what else do you guys think you need to do in order to play effective d...Theyve given us all the damn tools.

The ONLY thing im waiting for is for the first game to make the ball its own object (even during animations) and reward the user with proper timing, allowing them to knock it out during reach ins, so thats not so random "flip a coin".

sometimes i swear to god people just like to complain to complain.

[Bootzilla]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I agree with pared in the sense that defense controls can always get better. I also agree with Born on the need for better execution from your AI teammates.

I do disagree on the premise that because more can be added to the defensive controls, that the defense is not now adequate enough to replicate realistic man on man defense. I am not saying that to say that is what Pared is saying.

Simply put I am enjoying the challenge of playing on ball defense this year. In the no handcheck era of the nba I don't believe the type of defense control to "force" offensive players in a direction would necessarily be a simulation of the nba game.

More tools are always welcome but at this point when playing I don't find myself at the mercy of the offense anymore than when playing real life basketball. You are free to overplay a side and with the right defender cause contract to encourage the offensive player to go to one side or the other.

So I am not of the opinion that the defense can't be improved. I do believe though that we have to tools necessary to have a balanced game of offense vs defense with the exception of our AI teammates who need to play more like themselves when not in our control.

I agree with everything you said. Defense is fun and challenging as is. ON BALL. In instances where I can't switch it gets kinda frustrating watching Artest get lit up by Peitrus (sp?) or forcing someone baseline toward your help but your AI teammate doesn't help.

I like the fact that sometimes I can play perfect defense and the offensive player still makes the shot. It's the NBA. It happens. Some players shoot better when contested than they do when they're left wide open.

What I've noticed though is that if you continue to play solid on ball defense the game kind of balances itself out. You'll give up some, you'll get some but by and large it seems fair.

I kinda wish the shot contest was the hands up stick move on the perimeter. When I wanna close out I tend to jump to block even though I feel as though I'm tapping lightly on the Y button.

[Jano]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I also agree about the on ball defense I think its very lifelike in how you have to guard the offensive player. I think EAC really nailed that part, but I think we can all agree on the team AI issue though.

If that's cleared up by release or sometime after the game is released I'll be one happy camper. Because then I'll feel like I have all the tools neccessary to play good D.

[Pared]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

I agree with pared in the sense that defense controls can always get better. I also agree with Born on the need for better execution from your AI teammates.

I do disagree on the premise that because more can be added to the defensive controls, that the defense is not now adequate enough to replicate realistic man on man defense. I am not saying that to say that is what Pared is saying.

Simply put I am enjoying the challenge of playing on ball defense this year. In the no handcheck era of the nba I don't believe the type of defense control to "force" offensive players in a direction would necessarily be a simulation of the nba game.

More tools are always welcome but at this point when playing I don't find myself at the mercy of the offense anymore than when playing real life basketball. You are free to overplay a side and with the right defender cause contract to encourage the offensive player to go to one side or the other.

So I am not of the opinion that the defense can't be improved. I do believe though that we have to tools necessary to have a balanced game of offense vs defense with the exception of our AI teammates who need to play more like themselves when not in our control.

Good, because that wasn't what I was saying.

Like I said, it's passable. Guys that are enjoying it, great. Guys enjoyed Live '09 last year and now they say "OMG I can't go back and play '09!" I'll just have to wait until next year when defense gets the upgrade that I know it can get. They already addressed my issues with how bad freestyle looked while maintaining control. Wish they had a 2 year cycle after seeing the dribbling overhaul.

It's only going to make the game better.

[GSW]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

"your" issues.

[RayDog253]

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Good, because that wasn't what I was saying.

Like I said, it's passable. Guys that are enjoying it, great. Guys enjoyed Live '09 last year and now they say "OMG I can't go back and play '09!" I'll just have to wait until next year when defense gets the upgrade that I know it can get. They already addressed my issues with how bad freestyle looked while maintaining control. Wish they had a 2 year cycle after seeing the dribbling overhaul.

It's only going to make the game better.

You can say this every year about every sequel. You can always hope/know that the game will be somewhat better the next time around. Not always the case, but is what's expected from any new game.

[Steadtler]

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After finally playing 2P against an opponent who knows his game, I found the game was MUCH better than when playing against the CPU. Against the cpu I always get the feeling were not playing with the same rules... but in multiplayer its pretty balanced. Button mashers gets punished hard!

[Pared]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

"your" issues.

You should try reading the thread. I'm not alone.

[GSW]

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This is no longer an impressions thread for a demo. It might as well be a bugs and glitches thread + wishlist thread because thats what it has turned into

[Muzyk23]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

THANK YOU CZAR.

Without getting into a lengthy drawn out response.

I just want to ask you guys what exactly do you think defense is...and how can you nto play adequate defense in this game.?? what OTHER controls do THINK you need?

You can funnel the ball handler into your D, into the baseline, you can play angles (and it matters), you can 'bait' them into taking a shot you want, you can contest jumpers...you can strip the ball during layups, you can play 'physical' defense...

Im really trying to figure out what else do you guys think you need to do in order to play effective d...Theyve given us all the damn tools.

The ONLY thing im waiting for is for the first game to make the ball its own object (even during animations) and reward the user with proper timing, allowing them to knock it out during reach ins, so thats not so random "flip a coin".

sometimes i swear to god people just like to complain to complain.

yotally agree on everything you said

they have it in Fifa this year and it looks great..a lot of deflections on shots and passes

[Steadtler]

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yotally agree on everything you said

they have it in Fifa this year and it looks great..a lot of deflections on shots and passes

You can't compare both sports... in soccer not only are the players spread out like crazy, which limits contact, but the camera is much further away, which hides glitches, and the ball is on/close to the ground most of the time instead of being held & dribbled, etc.

If contact with the ball was turned on 100% of the time, basketball games would be unplayable. The limited memory of current systems doesnt allow for the animations to do all the subtle movements that bball players make to keep the ball in control.

[GSW]

Re: NBA Live 10 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (360)

You can't compare both sports... in soccer not only are the players spread out like crazy, which limits contact, but the camera is much further away, which hides glitches, and the ball is on/close to the ground most of the time instead of being held & dribbled, etc.

If contact with the ball was turned on 100% of the time, basketball games would be unplayable. The limited memory of current systems doesnt allow for the animations to do all the subtle movements that bball players make to keep the ball in control.

Defense and offense would be way more fun if there was a REASON to protect the ball.

[sandman0823]

after spending alot of time with this demo, i may have jumped the gun slightly. nba live will be ok but in some cases it is still the same old nba live. below are some of the issues that i have noticed during the game some can be dealt with but some i am scratching my head and saying what the heck just happened?

freestyle passing - some of the animations are unrealistic, like players sliding and not planting their feet.

post game - where do i start? I will get right to the point... there isn't a lot of moves down in the weight room. the pump fake, up and under to dribble move looks good but using this move i noticed that 70% of the time i can get past my opponent. no variety to the post game which is a very important part of basketball.

animations - a ton of unwarranted contact animations. saw a few traveling animations and double dribbles. the hustle animations??? enough said...

computer AI - there is no way derek fisher would drive to the lane with dwight howard one of the best shot blockers in the nba standing there. i would think he would pull up for the mid range jimmy. but in my demo game he derrick fisher drove towards me and i dwight howard got sucked into that weird animation and of course d fish scored... shaking my no way!!!!

the block animations - needs a lot of work period....

nba live still has a little ways to go, in fact a long ways to go. i thought this was the last supper but unfortunately ea i find still feeling hungry. great ideas but i think it is time to scrap this model and build from the ground up. with mike wang i am sure it can be done...

reluctantly, i will be buying 2k this year for at least i know what i will be buying....