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  • Playmakers
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    • Sep 2004
    • 15419

    #1

    EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

    My only concern and I hope a EA guy can answer this question.

    Why in the world are sliders being reduced every year?

    It's like the user has less control over game play because sliders are being taken away every year. Now i understand you guys work hard on the game and maybe i'm missing something here but already this year the following sliders were removed from the game this year and this list doesn't include the one's that have been removed from prior years.

    1). Human Pass Accuarcy

    2). Sink or Swim

    3). Defensive Low post Strength-This is huge because it allowed the game to feel like weight mattered inside when posting up now players feel like they have no weight at all.

    4). On Ball Physical defense-I realize that you want the Human to play posistional defense but shouldn't we have the option to make the game have more physicality on the perimeter and for those who don't want it could be reduced down

    5). Fight Through Screen Ability

    6). Boundary Force Field Slider-This is another huge one from years past that basically kept players with in the court boundary meaning no stepping out of bounds.

    There are a few more but I stopped at that list. I'm knocking the game Marcus or Beluba if you read this because I like what you guys are doing over the last two years. But it just seems the like options to customize this game to it's fullest potential is being taken away slowly each year.

    I'm aware of DNA and how it works just for heads up to guys who think i'm rookie or something. But DNA can't control some of those game play factors. It just feels bare bones now when compaired to the options in 2K9 or even previous Live versions.

    I don't know if sliders can be patched or not in NBA Live although both Madden and NCAA 10 released a patch with additional and new sliders this year. Please do not take this the wrong way because I'm huge fan of the series but it seems like a lot of stuff is being scaled back and some of those things really made garbage games like Live 07 and 08 somewhat playable after tweaks and i can only imagine what Live 10 would play like if there were more options given to the USER.

    I also noticed the Footplanting system from previous years has completely been scrapped but I'm not a game designer. I don't know if that was nesscesary or not. But it sure did seem like a great thing to me in Live 07 and 08 but the animations were TERRIBLE and ruined it.
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  • withauthority22
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    • Mar 2007
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    #2
    Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

    I think you know the answer to this Playmakers. regardless, its amazing EA didnt learn from their mistakes with fight night, where they ended up adding all the sliders and button configs and options in patches months later after everyone had stopped caring about the game.

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    • 23bluesman
      Pro
      • Jun 2008
      • 828

      #3
      Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

      Good post Playmakers. Totally agree.

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      • rawdog805
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        • Dec 2002
        • 2788

        #4
        Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

        Excellent post.. Not sure why they would reduce the number of sliders instead of adding to them.. They obviously have not learned from the mistakes of the other Franchises that they have produced this year.. We shouldnt have to wait for patches to have user customization options, and who knows how long it will take for them to patch it..
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        • cool2fool
          Banned
          • Oct 2008
          • 326

          #5
          Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

          Bad Job EA....Bad job......

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          • Rocboyz101
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            • Aug 2009
            • 1550

            #6
            Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

            I would think all the gameplay changes, made some of the sliders ineffective. That would give reason to remove them. Other than that, it makes no sense.
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            • zfinley
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              • Jun 2009
              • 204

              #7
              Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

              I remember them saying also they're trying to remove ratings. Don't know if it's a part of the whole reducing process but, I sure hope they don't.
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              • Beluba
                Gameplay Director, NBA2k
                • Jul 2002
                • 1389

                #8
                Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                Originally posted by Rocboyz101
                I would think all the gameplay changes, made some of the sliders ineffective. That would give reason to remove them. Other than that, it makes no sense.
                If a slider was deprecated, it's because it was either made obsolete due to a feature rewrite or because it wasn't hooked up in the first place. Same with ratings. We are phasing many of them out... mostly because we're plugging in Synergy data in their place, but also because some of them were just not functioning properly in the AI code to begin with.

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                • Goffs
                  New Ork Giants
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 12279

                  #9
                  Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                  The less sliders the better IMO

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                  • oOausarOo
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 822

                    #10
                    Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                    Man this is crazy, you post a question and within hours the lead designer pops on and answers? much respect

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                    • Playmakers
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 15419

                      #11
                      Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                      Originally posted by mrnoobie
                      The less sliders the better IMO
                      I have no problem with a game that doesn't want to includes sliders if that game has ARRIVED meaning it's not flawed or it's a true SIM.

                      They tried in this in Madden 09 and guess what it didn't work.

                      NBA Live 10 has great potential no doubt....but the game hasn't arrived yet and until it does this game needs more flexibility not less flexibility.

                      I'm not a huge fan of NBA 2k but I will admit that game gave me the freedom to damn near tweak any aspect of the game I desired.

                      If people don't want to use sliders or adjust the gameplay than that is their right. But for a guy like me or many others that might see issues playing the CPU AI without sliders that can be a huge problem.

                      I appreciate the synergy data and DNA updates.....but this game still needs a few more sliders to enhance the game play.

                      There are guys stepping out bounds for no apperant reason and DNA can't control that problem. But there was a slider in previous versions of the game that would have been perfect just for that reason alone.

                      I can name other situations but that is just one example in which a slider from years past would have been nice to have but it was removed.
                      Last edited by Playmakers; 09-13-2009, 10:04 PM.
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                      • HMcCoy
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                        • Jan 2003
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                        #12
                        Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                        He's telling you that alot of the adjustments you thought you were making were placebo. You really haven't lost anything...or even worse...the sad reality is that some of your edits were completely useless outside of your own mind.

                        I tried like the dickens to get NFL2K5's DB AI to act right, and had a thread that went over 1K posts about adjusted AGG ratings. I ran tests, played a million games not for the enjoyment of the sport, but just to see what would happen when I changed "x" slider or rating. But at the end of the day, I'm not a programmer...and while adjusting this and that was fun, results varied, and opinons changed by the day. I just didn't have the tools to affect the improvement I was looking for. You don't either.

                        Not saying slider adjustments are useless by in-large, or that you haven't done a great job making unplayable games decent...but unlike 06, 07, and 08, Live 10 doesn't need to be overhauled, and at some point you'll have to just play it for what it is or move on.

                        Most OS'er appeciate what you've done for crap Live's of the past...just keep tweaking what you can, bro.
                        Last edited by HMcCoy; 09-13-2009, 11:33 PM.
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                        • Jonesy
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                          • Feb 2003
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                          #13
                          Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                          Originally posted by HMcCoy
                          He's telling you that alot of the adjustments you thought you were making were placebo. You really haven't lost anything...or even worse...the sad reality is that some of your edits were completely useless outside of your own mind.
                          Great post, was just going to say the same thing.

                          Sure last year's version had 50 million ratings but i doubt 50% of them even made a noticable difference to the gameplay. I think they are just getting rid of the one's that were a complete waste of time in the first place.

                          With that being said I love me some sliders and guys like Playmakers, Nogster and Tomba do a great job and have definetly improved some games dramatically. The great thing about sliders is that no two people play exactly the same way and sliders allow players to taylor the gaming experience to something they feel is the best representation of the sport they love.

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                          • Playmakers
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 15419

                            #14
                            Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                            Originally posted by HMcCoy
                            He's telling you that alot of the adjustments you thought you were making were placebo. You really haven't lost anything...or even worse...the sad reality is that some of your edits were completely useless outside of your own mind.

                            I tried like the dickens to get NFL2K5's DB AI to act right, and had a thread that went over 1K posts about adjusted AGG ratings. I ran tests, played a million games not for the enjoyment of the sport, but just to see what would happen when I changed "x" slider or rating. But at the end of the day, I'm not a programmer...and while adjusting this and that was fun, results varied, and opinons changed by the day. I just didn't have the tools to affect the improvement I was looking for. You don't either.

                            Not saying slider adjustments are useless by in-large, or that you haven't done a great job making unplayable games decent...but unlike 06, 07, and 08, Live 10 doesn't need to be overhauled, and at some point you'll have to just play it for what it is or move on.

                            Most OS'er appeciate what you've done for crap Live's of the past...just keep tweaking what you can, bro.

                            But we are not talking about ratings..............

                            We are talking about specific sliders that did 100% effect game play.

                            The boundary Force Slider if you ever played any previous Live version that had it in the game absolutely kept players from stepping out of bounds.

                            The Low Post Defensive Strength slider absolutely gave the players a sense of low post defensive pressence when they were bodied up inside.

                            Again I'm not talking about Player Ratings....this is strictly Slider related and even though I'm not a programmer if it was a slider that related to NBA Live I don't know how you can tell me it was worthless or did nothing because each slider I listed in this thread absolutely had and IMPACT on the game.

                            I don't have to be a programmer to know what sliders worked and which sliders didn't. When you speak of 50+ ratings and half of them not working that is entirely something different as to what I'm refering to.......In fact I think it was me that actually let EA know that their ratings hadn't been changed in NBA Live since coming to Next Gen.

                            But again ratings are one thing and sliders are another.....I think i have enough hands on expereince to vouch that those sliders listed did effect gameplay and they were not USELESS as you stated.
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                            • J.R. Locke
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                              • Nov 2004
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                              #15
                              Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

                              I get this feeling that EA is trying to limit customization and funnel everything through them. From the end to the PC products, DLC to other facets of locked roster/editing I feel that EA is continuing to limit the custom elements while focusing on delivering these things themselves.

                              I wish they would realize that you give us the tools, we make the game play the way we want to. There seems to be a lot of concern about rosters and ratings and etc....

                              Give the community the tools to make the game work for us.

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