EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

[Playmakers]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I get this feeling that EA is trying to limit customization and funnel everything through them. From the end to the PC products, DLC to other facets of locked roster/editing I feel that EA is continuing to limit the custom elements while focusing on delivering these things themselves.

I wish they would realize that you give us the tools, we make the game play the way we want to. There seems to be a lot of concern about rosters and ratings and etc....

Give the community the tools to make the game work for us.

And this is what I was refering to when I started the thread.

I could give a rats azzzz how they rate their players. Ratings are always going to be debated. They've always allowed us to change ratings anyways and I personally enjoy classic rosters the most so it doesn't matter to me how Kobe or LeBron is rated anymore in Live or 2k9. I use ratings only as backup option if sliders don't fix something for me.

But if take away sliders and you start to leave us with only the game itself then for me it's a problem because I can't customize the game to play different from how EA released it.

Maybe I don't want to see the CPU turn the ball over 20 times a game like in NCAA Basketball, Maybe I don't want to see the CPU throw 5 INT's a game like in NCAA Football.

Now if some people can still manage to enjoy the games with those types of FLAWS the more power to them.....I've never told anyone on these boards or any other boards how to play THEIR GAME.

But for me I have to options just in case the DEFAULT game that was created wasn't enjoyable out of the box for me.

I don't want to keep bringing up 2K9 but i was absolutely amazed at how much they allowed you to customize the game even though I'm sure their developers would tell you their game is based off realism just like Live 09 or 10 developers would tell you.

But they still gave their fan base the tools to tweak the game the way they felt it was needed. EA has reduced their sliders down every year and if I felt like the sliders that they removed weren't a big deal or helped the game play TRUST ME I wouldn't be posting in this thread.

Now some guy(s) who haven't played Live in years might not see it as a big deal because they didn't play the game or have time to actually determine if a slider worked or not. They only have knowledge as to what sliders are there right now.

But you can't miss something if you never experienced it to begin with right?

And not to be azz hole or anything but do we really know if developers actually work on the sliders themselves to even gage how effective one slider is in relation to game play?

The reason why I ask is because if they tested sliders themselves maybe they would see that taking out the boudary force field slider wouldn't be a good idea because other wise players would step out of bounds for no reason at all. Had that Slider remained in the game then it would have given us the OPTION to stop players from doing that infraction. Now to the casual guy having that type of play overlooked might not be a big deal and they resume playing.

But for me I'm going to stop for a minute go my settings and look for something to stop that from happening. This year as of right now I can't do that like in previous years because that slider was removed just like some of the others were removed.

I hope steph and those guys don't take this the wrong way because if anyone wants to see NBA Live be GREAT it's me. I've always been the guy who debated that if EA added animations and smooth game play this game would take off. But you can't add those things and then take away gameplay options the next.

Basically I feel like I did a few years ago when I had all the sliders in the world at my disposal but the game lacked the animatons or smooth game play to compliment the sliders. Now I feel like i have the animations and fluid play but the sliders are gone that would compliment it.

[dorismary]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

Sliders and options are good but I like what Live is doing to create a more realistic game out of the box.

[jrose57]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I like sliders and hate sliders the same time, I always want to have a nba live or 2k game without any slider so that I could focus playing instead of FIXING the game for the producer which is something I shouldn't be doing at ALL! However, I know that no game is perfect especailly a basketball game because there is a lot of details in this sport which is hard to make a perfect game then? So having sliders allow users to fix something that they don't like the game has but overall, I just hope this year I would be playing instead of trying the slider sets I kept changing for a year everyday...

[rockchisler]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I have no problem with a game that doesn't want to includes sliders if that game has ARRIVED meaning it's not flawed or it's a true SIM.

They tried in this in Madden 09 and guess what it didn't work.

NBA Live 10 has great potential no doubt....but the game hasn't arrived yet and until it does this game needs more flexibility not less flexibility.

I'm not a huge fan of NBA 2k but I will admit that game gave me the freedom to damn near tweak any aspect of the game I desired.

If people don't want to use sliders or adjust the gameplay than that is their right. But for a guy like me or many others that might see issues playing the CPU AI without sliders that can be a huge problem.

I appreciate the synergy data and DNA updates.....but this game still needs a few more sliders to enhance the game play.

There are guys stepping out bounds for no apperant reason and DNA can't control that problem. But there was a slider in previous versions of the game that would have been perfect just for that reason alone.

I can name other situations but that is just one example in which a slider from years past would have been nice to have but it was removed.

Some of those sliders on 2k9 didnt work at all, Help Defense anyone? But I prefer less sliders myself that means that the game is playing better without major slider adjustments.

[RayDog253]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I like sliders and hate sliders the same time, I always want to have a nba live or 2k game without any slider so that I could focus playing instead of FIXING the game for the producer which is something I shouldn't be doing at ALL! However, I know that no game is perfect especailly a basketball game because there is a lot of details in this sport which is hard to make a perfect game then? So having sliders allow users to fix something that they don't like the game has but overall, I just hope this year I would be playing instead of trying the slider sets I kept changing for a year everyday...

I think slider are more for playing the game the way you see fit. Not for fixing the developers problems, all though very helpful in that aspect. IMO, the purpose for sliders are for customization.

[BiggD]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

TBH... i tried adjusting the heck out of LIVE09, it got way out of hand. I went back to default and had a blast.. this year i'm not gonna rely on sliders and spend hours adjusting the games sliders/ratings.


I think the demo plays very well no need for major adjustments

[edubbs]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

TBH... i tried adjusting the heck out of LIVE09, it got way out of hand. I went back to default and had a blast.. this year i'm not gonna rely on sliders and spend hours adjusting the games sliders/ratings.


I think the demo plays very well no need for major adjustments

I agree. Maybe I'm getting old but, my days of spending countless hours trying to 'improve' the game via sliders are over.

I see guys already contemplating slider changes already via the Demo, and the final version isn't even out yet.

Although these types of guys, are great for the community I can't take the time to track every little tweak that they make or I need to make anymore.

I'll make a couple of minor tweaks to both games and which ever one I enjoy the most, will get the most of my playing time.

I've grown tired of trying to get close to perfect gameplay with these games via slider tweaks. I'm at the point now where I just want to enjoy the game that requires the least amout of tweaking.

Extensive slider tweaking has become almost counter productive for me and now I just want to enjoy the games that play the best out of the box.

Really enjoying this Demo though.

[donkey33]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I agree. Maybe I'm getting old but, my days of spending countless hours trying to 'improve' the game via sliders are over.

I see guys already contemplating slider changes already via the Demo, and the final version isn't even out yet.

Although these types of guys, are great for the community I can't take the time to track every little tweak that they make or I need to make anymore.

I'll make a couple of minor tweaks to both games and which ever one I enjoy the most, will get the most of my playing time.

I've grown tired of trying to get close to perfect gameplay with these games via slider tweaks. I'm at the point now where I just want to enjoy the game that requires the least amout of tweaking.

Extensive slider tweaking has become almost counter productive for me and now I just want to enjoy the games that play the best out of the box.

Really enjoying this Demo though.

Spot on.

I'm playing for pure enjoyment now. My days or altering and editing are over.

I plan to actually play the game and get through a season instead of constantly not being happy with something.

[Playmakers]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I think slider are more for playing the game the way you see fit. Not for fixing the developers problems, all though very helpful in that aspect. IMO, the purpose for sliders are for customization.

I totally agree....

Even though their might be 5 guys who hate sliders and feel as if they are not needed for gameplay there will be 50 guys who believe something needs to be tweaked and that is the purpose of this thread.

There have been sliders taken out the game slowly each year since coming to Next Gen.

Again some of these sliders did help the game play and I'm puzzled as to why they were removed when they were very helpful sliders over the years.

It's not like we have TONS of options to change because EA's basketball game is very limited when it comes to sliders. So to remove something that had a POSITIVE EFFECT on game play doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not sure why some guys are coming into the thread and making it a ratings debate. But I will i say this and even though I doubt it will be confirmed you were not playing with the same Live ratings last year after release.

Yes their were DNA updates daily but there were edited ratings on your roster file that you downloaded and you may not have even been aware of it because seriosuly how many guys actually look at the ratings in October and then observe them again in January?

But that is a whole another topic and I don't have to convience myself that certain ratings needed changed last year because the proof was within your roster updates even though it may not have been discussed with you publicly.

The point of this thread is to present a VALID case to EA by me or any other guys who feel that Sliders shouldn't be reduced down or taken away at this point because there are still people who enjoy customizing the game to fit their preferance. I don't see this as being any different from a guy who wants to voice his displeaure with the gear that a player wears or a guy who wants to open a thread regarding bugs in the game.

I'm FULLY AWARE or how DNA works and how it ties into game play. But i would also appreciate having the OPTION to fix something that DNA updates can't fix. I don't expect them to add 100 sliders to the game like NBA 2K9. But to take away 6-7 VERY HELPFUL sliders when you only give us a very limited amount to begin with is not a good thing IMO.

Also I might add if I recall wasn't it EA who reached out to the communities last year and asked what sliders should be ADDED to the game?

I saw it over at NBA Liveforums.com and at the old sportsgamer.com

So they didn't add any new sliders in contray to what they asked the community they removed sliders which makes it even more confusing to me now.

[Flightwhite24]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

If a slider was deprecated, it's because it was either made obsolete due to a feature rewrite or because it wasn't hooked up in the first place. Same with ratings. We are phasing many of them out... mostly because we're plugging in Synergy data in their place, but also because some of them were just not functioning properly in the AI code to begin with.

I totally agree with PM on this one. But, I can see if they were not functioning properly and EA would never be able to get it to work in the manner that it was supposed to, then yes it should be removed. I just hope the Synergy data that is replacing works as advertised and not just a smoke screen like MADDEN FATIGUE a few years back

[Playmakers]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I totally agree with PM on this one. But, I can see if they were not functioning properly and EA would never be able to get it to work in the manner that it was supposed to, then yes it should be removed. I just hope the Synergy data that is replacing works as advertised and not just a smoke screen like MADDEN FATIGUE a few years back

What's up JSKY....

I just wanted to say I don't have problems with them using Synergy or DNA but my complaint is those features don't factor onto the court in regards to things like stepping out of bounds, goaltending, over the back calls, technicals or 3 second lane violations.

Some of these guys have come into the thread totally ignoring that there are no sliders for those situations. If you call your self a SIM gammer how the heck can you accept not being able to have those types of legitimate penalties not available for you to tweak?

DNA doesn't fix that.......but hey what if we had a slider ourselves to go in and change it

If i recall like I mentioned earlier wasn't it EA that asked for input on Sliders that should be included in the game?

Seems like to me they didn't add any they just removed several.

Then I also noticed it appears that gear and accersories in these parts seem to have more weight from some of the posters i've observed than something strictly related to what happens on the floor (SLIDERS).

Welcome to the new world of NBA Live where customizing the player is more important than customizing the game itself.

[carnalnirvana]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

i agree, PM i have never understood the " addition by subtraction " theory when it came to customizable extra's for gamers. but the devs response signals what i have feared that games are for the average joe who plays whatever the game ships with...

i edit everything sliders and ratings and posted about the subtractions as soon as i got into the hanger off the download but, some people say its the devs job to give them a game that plays to their liking a statement thats just stupid, everyone is different and if given the tools i would like to get my personal play style represented instead of coming here whinning about patches...

realistic is subjective and sliders help us correct things tune some areas....

i'll go on record now if DNA & tendencies are not editable like last year i will not play live i really enjoyed this aspect about 09

[Playmakers]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

i agree, PM i have never understood the " addition by subtraction " theory when it came to customizable extra's for gamers. but the devs response signals what i have feared that games are for the average joe who plays whatever the game ships with...

i edit everything sliders and ratings and posted about the subtractions as soon as i got into the hanger off the download but, some people say its the devs job to give them a game that plays to their liking a statement thats just stupid, everyone is different and if given the tools i would like to get my personal play style represented instead of coming here whinning about patches...

realistic is subjective and sliders help us correct things tune some areas....

i'll go on record now if DNA & tendencies are not editable like last year i will not play live i really enjoyed this aspect about 09

Well last year they were operating off of the same ratings as they were for each players two years without anything being touched.

This year just looking at the ratings it looks like the passing and OFF Ball Awareness ratings were all finally increased for each player something that I've been wanting for years and doing myself in previous versions.

However there are things that I will speak about later this week that I found disturbing based on the ratings from the demo which is all o have to go off of at the moment.

These are legitimate concerns for me because it involves a player Offensive and Defensive awareness which there is really no ratings assigned at right now.

Yes there is a Off Ball Awareness ratings and On ball defensive awareness rating but those things are seperate from defensive awareness away from the ball and Offensive awarness when the players have the ball in their hands.

I will get more detailed into it later this week becuase right now I'm switching lineups and players on to the floor and the player logic IMO is way off and I think that has alot to do with no actual awareness being assigned this year on defense or offense.

DNA is listed but DNA isn't an awareness it's a percentage system that shows how effective a guy is at shooting or how often he drives left or right in a game.

I'm not trying to ruin the enjoyment because LIve is Favorite game but this demo has really presented some early troubles that I hope EA can correct before release or shortly after release.

[Ballatician]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I realize there is this whole culture into sliders so I see the need for them in the game but to me personally using sliders is like cheating. I read someones post somewhere on here about the cpu team getting too many offensive rebounds so the next game he tweaked the sliders and they got less. Ok so whats the purpose of learning to play the game then? To me even if its a bug in the game as Gunny Highway would say you improvise, adapt and overcome!

[carnalnirvana]

Re: EA why are the options to customize the game being reduced every year?

I realize there is this whole culture into sliders so I see the need for them in the game but to me personally using sliders is like cheating. I read someones post somewhere on here about the cpu team getting too many offensive rebounds so the next game he tweaked the sliders and they got less. Ok so whats the purpose of learning to play the game then? To me even if its a bug in the game as Gunny Highway would say you improvise, adapt and overcome!

i disagree because not all tweaks are done to limit the cpu's abilities

in last year's game i raised many of thier sliders maxed out ex. passing acc, hands in post, on ball efectiveness etc...

there are people who are serious about tweaking then there are those who tweak because they dont want to be frustrated with a challenge....

sliders tune and ratings fix thats my theory and i do both