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  • Court_vision
    Banned
    • Oct 2002
    • 8290

    #1

    Rebounding...

    I don't think I have ever seen the CPU grab an offensive rebound and actually kick the ball out and re-set the play.

    The CPU goes for the dunk or lay up every time.

    Even when there's no logic...i.e. they have no position and I block them easily.

    Anyone else noticing this and is rebounding being addressed in the patch etc? Or is this just my settings / sliders?
  • Stumbleweed
    Livin' the dream
    • Oct 2006
    • 6279

    #2
    Re: Rebounding...

    Yeah that's annoying... the AI probably gets 15 points per game off of offensive putbacks and I too have never seen them kick the ball out... they always go right back up, even if it's not a guy like Dwight with good standing dunks who always tries to go right back up.
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    • Court_vision
      Banned
      • Oct 2002
      • 8290

      #3
      Re: Rebounding...

      Even small PGs who get an ORB try to go right back up.

      It's really poor AI.

      Rebounding has been terrible in this series forever...it's better this season, but it's still really bad IMO.

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      • Jano
        You Dead Wrong
        • May 2004
        • 3161

        #4
        Re: Rebounding...

        This is true and a lot of the times your teammates just stand a watch the player go up. I think the real problem is how difficult it is to stop people under the basket due to a lack of physical play inside.

        When you drive to the basket there's a lot of contact because the defenders actually have time to react. If a ball is rebounded your SOL this is one area I hope to see finally improved in Live 11.

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        • ehh
          Hall Of Fame
          • Mar 2003
          • 28962

          #5
          Re: Rebounding...

          I don't know what's worse, the fact that guards attempt so many putbacks or that they can actually convert so many.
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          • eDotd
            We ain't cool de la?
            • Jul 2006
            • 6284

            #6
            Re: Rebounding...

            I listed this in the patch request thread. Hopefully it gets looked @.

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            • FlyRice
              Lillard Time
              • Nov 2008
              • 1280

              #7
              Re: Rebounding...

              This happens online too. I never see players kick it back out. I think it's because shots after offensive boards are almost guaranteed to go in every time no matter the positioning. The defense is helpless inside.
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              • The 24th Letter
                ERA
                • Oct 2007
                • 39373

                #8
                Re: Rebounding...

                Your right CV, I hope the rebounding logic as a whole can be patched......its very frustrating..

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                • Chad Rogers
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 140

                  #9
                  Re: Rebounding...

                  I have put this in my patch requests as well. It is frustrating as it's virtually automatic that it is a basket on all o rebounds.

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                  • Court_vision
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 8290

                    #10
                    Re: Rebounding...

                    I doubt a patch will do much...reboundings been terrible in LIVE for years and they focussed on fixing it a lot already.

                    Even after all the work...it's still terrible. Maybe it's the engine?

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                    • Playmakers
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Sep 2004
                      • 15416

                      #11
                      Re: Rebounding...

                      Originally posted by Court_vision
                      Even small PGs who get an ORB try to go right back up.

                      It's really poor AI.

                      Rebounding has been terrible in this series forever...it's better this season, but it's still really bad IMO.
                      They had some new animations but it's still one of the worst aspects of the game IMO.

                      Atleast when you lower the verticals it looks more natural no dudes with their heads and elbows above the rim.......

                      But to answer your question they don't pass it back out because that AI way of thinking has never been coded into Live. They have two options dunk or layup nothing else even matters.

                      You what also sucks is late in the game they'll get an offensive rebound and even though kicking it out back if they are down by 3 points they'll still try to dunk or layup knowing damn well they need a 3 to tie.

                      But hey these things should be fixed with DNA so i don't see it being a PROBLEM next month (sarcasm)
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                      • Court_vision
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 8290

                        #12
                        Re: Rebounding...

                        Originally posted by Playmakers

                        You what also sucks is late in the game they'll get an offensive rebound and even though kicking it out back if they are down by 3 points they'll still try to dunk or layup knowing damn well they need a 3 to tie.

                        But hey these things should be fixed with DNA so i don't see it being a PROBLEM next month (sarcasm)
                        Yes...I didn't want to mention that as I am trying not to be harsh on the game.

                        Things like this = flat out dumb.

                        It's why I keep saying that 2K is just so much more "complete" and people don't understand what I am getting at.

                        LIVE is great fun, but things llike the rebounding AI and some of the illogical late game AI are really

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                        • ehh
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 28962

                          #13
                          Re: Rebounding...

                          Originally posted by Playmakers

                          You what also sucks is late in the game they'll get an offensive rebound and even though kicking it out back if they are down by 3 points they'll still try to dunk or layup knowing damn well they need a 3 to tie.
                          Has any basketball game included that? I'm no expert in AI but I imagine that'd be pretty hard to code.

                          Not to mention there are plenty of times IRL when teams do put back an offensive rebound when down three even if there's only a second or two remaining.
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                          • Playmakers
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2004
                            • 15416

                            #14
                            Re: Rebounding...

                            Originally posted by Court_vision
                            Yes...I didn't want to mention that as I am trying not to be harsh on the game.

                            Things like this = flat out dumb.

                            It's why I keep saying that 2K is just so much more "complete" and people don't understand what I am getting at.

                            LIVE is great fun, but things llike the rebounding AI and some of the illogical late game AI are really
                            Doesn't matter to me i'm going to speak my mind regardless.

                            I have both games and enjoy both games to a certain extent. But if i see something that is bad then i'm going mention it because the guys who keep their mouths shut are the one's who make these companies start to slack off again.

                            IF something can be done better for Live 11 by all means i say let them know about it NOW and not later when it's too late.
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                            • Court_vision
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 8290

                              #15
                              Re: Rebounding...

                              Originally posted by ehh
                              Has any basketball game included that? I'm no expert in AI but I imagine that'd be pretty hard to code.

                              .
                              2K has it.

                              Pretty sure Inside Drive had it...back in 2004.

                              Live just doesn't seem to do rebounding well

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