Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

[Playmakers]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

QUOTE=Court_vision;2040352410]I would love to help....but I agree with Dre completely.

There's basically no point making roster edits as you can't use them with the DNA.

You also can't use them with 'Dynamic Season'...which is pretty much the only way I am going to play LIVE post patch.[/QUOTE]

you can actually take the rosters into a dynamic season mode. all you have to do is waite for the 1st roster update

Then you get the rosters edit the players and start a season. I can understand that some people might want the dna updates all year but i peresonally want the best aspects for gameplay. I'm not a huge dynasty guy so these rosters will get me through 1 year of season mode and i'll probably have a season in NBA 2K and NCAA Basketball going aswell.

Long dynasty's don't keep my attention. I'm striclty looking at improving gameplay and INDIVIDUAL PLAYER STYLE ONLY.

[Playmakers]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Here's a list of position changes to start:

Josh Howard (SG)
Acie Law (SF) Don Nelson said this is where he'll get most minutes

Howard is a natural SF. The Mavs will list him at SG but in their offense the SF and SG with Howard and Marion is interchangeable.

I'd leave him at SF because it could impact Jason Terry's playing time in Live 10. Plus when the Mavs go small Howard is going to be at SF with Marion sliding over to PF. Terry will be the SG and that's why you want to leave Howard at SF for a primary posistion.

That simplifes the decision making for the AI when the game substitutes for the Mavs. Other wise JET won't get off the bench very much if you slot Howard at SG. It takes into account the ratings 1st in Live 10.

As for Acie Law only Don Nelson could actually do something like that and make it work. The mad scientist has been doing that type of stuff for years.

But I remember when he switched Antoine Walker to center......

It was a nightmare for all Mavs fans having to watch that FAILED EXPERIMENT.

The thing is on any other team Law is going to be a PG/SG so if you switch him around and he gets traded away in Live he'll be playing out of posistion.

[Jazza2319]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

I'm gonna go ahead and get to work on this. While we wait for the patch, there is still some work that can be done as far as ratings go. I think i'll start off by tweaking the rebounds for point guards for better clarity between the better rebounding point guards and others. Here's a list of the top ones in order:

Jason Kidd
Rajon Rondo
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Andre Miller
Derrick Rose
Raymond Felton

I'll be aiming to make these the better rebounding point guards in the game. Any advice or suggestions are appreciated

Edit: The more i look at the ratings for all players, the more i feel every players rebounding numbers need major tweaking. Perhaps i'll start out with the bigger guys

[Playmakers]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

I'm gonna go ahead and get to work on this. While we wait for the patch, there is still some work that can be done as far as ratings go. I think i'll start off by tweaking the rebounds for point guards for better clarity between the better rebounding point guards and others. Here's a list of the top ones in order:

Jason Kidd
Rajon Rondo
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Andre Miller
Derrick Rose
Raymond Felton

I'll be aiming to make these the better rebounding point guards in the game. Any advice or suggestions are appreciated

Edit: The more i look at the ratings for all players, the more i feel every players rebounding numbers need major tweaking. Perhaps i'll start out with the bigger guys

I want you guys to hold off on this for right now.

I'm going to look into one more idea and see if it makes our lives easier for this project. If it works then in the future we can just pick up the game and play and not worry about editing too much.

[Pared]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Good luck with this. I don't have the time to help out but this game sorely needs it.

Even if you don't get DNA updates throughout the season, we have DNA from all of last year and it's not doing too much IMO.

For the rookies, all anyone has to do is load up the new roster and implement the DNA ratings that have changed for them through the season once or twice. Their game won't change much throughout the season.

[23]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Is this project still going forward?

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

yeah guys any news, i was busy when yall started so i could not get onboard but let me know if you need ideas tested...

i am trying to find what controls the tempo of teams, ie why some guards run up the court and why some walk, looking into dna possibilities etc...

i also noticed the close shot likelyhood needs to be higher on 90% guards, this bothers me becuaue i dont care who you are or what your abilities are a layup is always a better option and should be the first option for any player if there is a lane, over setting up a pick and roll to get the same result( this is my opinion)

offball awr is another issue guys are rated so low they dont get into the sets quickly forcing the pg to dribble the clock away and jack a 3 in despiraton,


what did you guys find?

[23]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

yeah guys any news, i was busy when yall started so i could not get onboard but let me know if you need ideas tested...

i am trying to find what controls the tempo of teams, ie why some guards run up the court and why some walk, looking into dna possibilities etc...

i also noticed the close shot likelyhood needs to be higher on 90% guards, this bothers me becuaue i dont care who you are or what your abilities are a layup is always a better option and should be the first option for any player if there is a lane, over setting up a pick and roll to get the same result( this is my opinion)

offball awr is another issue guys are rated so low they dont get into the sets quickly forcing the pg to dribble the clock away and jack a 3 in despiraton,


what did you guys find?

I tested a couple of ratings last night

for the GSW
sent likelyhood of mid to 10
likelyhood of outside to 0
likelyhood of inside to 99

fb awareness to 99
toned down defensive sliders to zero for the cpu

didnt stay up too late doing it nor did i watch a full game but

They still took Js. Tossed it up court, still took mid ranges
didnt see alot of layups or dunk attemps, even also raising dunk vs layup freqency from default 0 to 99

Got anything else I could tweak

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

this is my findings the likelyhoods are key but the dna controls the whole game it seems.....

edit the dna shooting if you want results....

what do you want to see? maybe i tested for it !! do you want less j's and morre driving ?

[23]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Well im doing this for purposes of what guys are looking for here.. to see what affects what

I'd like to see less of a few things though. Lets start with the bigs

Players like PG's matching the weight on C's and PF's during contact animations... should be kinda how Shaq pummeled KG when they went head on

Strength.. like I saw that one vid in the EASW thread where birdman backed down Shaq.... no go man, that has to be fixed

Id like to see big men like Shaq and Dwight not do fadeaways on me.. Yao is probably the only C that does this

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

thats been what i was working on the past week, my issue is why wont guys back down when in the post they immediately go for the up an under or fade away, i dont know how the game defines backdown scoring ex, is it credited as off dribble to shot, close range, or and iso play

because howard has the majority of his dna is post yet they rarely hit him when he seals him man, but he loves doing drop steps and spining moves to the hoop..

i have yet to see anyone back down another player much less back down shaq

another ex. kobe initiates the post up but immediately hooks his man then to the hoop the post game is almost instantaneous from back down initiation to shot there is never a battle down low in my games...

i am going to put in live 09 to get the ratings description again because i know one rating is for post footwork and the other for post fakes effectivness, maybe if both of these are low for some players they may batle more in the post

[dave374]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Shaq plays like a 7-1 230 lb. ballerina in this game.

In the real NBA, half his points are dunks. In this game, 2 out of 10 points are dunks (if you're lucky).

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Shaq plays like a 7-1 230 lb. ballerina in this game.

In the real NBA, half his points are dunks. In this game, 2 out of 10 points are dunks (if you're lucky).

lol, he does dance around at times but he dunks alot im my games but then there is the dreaded fade away he does and i have yet to see him do a hook shot, does he have a sig shot ?

[23]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Yeah its the fadeaways that I hate.... can that be fixed

[carnalnirvana]

Re: Who wants to improve DNA and work with me in further seperating players?

Yeah its the fadeaways that I hate.... can that be fixed

the only thing i think left to edit on that is ' SHOOTING TOUCH" which is the ability to hit tough shots

last year i think i had some success editing that to kill that animation where guys came off an screen to a fade away 3 but i dont know if it controls the animation or the % of such shots i will test it tonight but who knows shaq may not attempt a fade away tonight so how do know if it works