Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

LOL.

From my experience its hit or miss.....If you leave them open somestimes the wont break their set at all, sometimes theyll pass it to them when the shot clock is winding down, sometimes they wot pass to them at all...

Just a few clips of what I think the OP is seeing

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/12867215

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/12867147

[edubbs]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

I noticed this pretty early on and although it bothered me, I didn't want to ruin the experience for everyone who had been enjoying the game against the CPU.

The halfcourt game in Live is VERY scripted. The AI is hell bent on running the play that is called and is oblivious to open teammates waaaay too much.

The vids posted above by 24th, show a couple of clear cut examples of this. It will not bother some but, for me it REALLY hurts the experience.

[Flightwhite24]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

LOL.

From my experience its hit or miss.....If you leave them open somestimes the wont break their set at all, sometimes theyll pass it to them when the shot clock is winding down, sometimes they wot pass to them at all...

Just a few clips of what I think the OP is seeing

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/12867215

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/12867147

Are you talking about CPU vs CPU? In both vids I did not see you take control of anyone. If so how is it when it's a Hum vs CPU? Same problem still exist? I have not payed much attention but I know there have been times when I went to double team the CPU player and he passed to the player I left unguarded. I don't play CPU vs CPU so if this is the case it would not be an issue for me. Peace!!!!

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

Thats hum vs cpu in the vid.....look at the sgs......in both instances you can see me take control of the defending sg and run across court....one with allen, one with kobe....

[ehh]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

Are you talking about CPU vs CPU? In both vids I did not see you take control of anyone.

Really?

Did you think Kobe was running to the bench for a hockey-style sub in the middle of live action?

[Flightwhite24]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

Thats hum vs cpu in the vid.....look at the sgs......in both instances you can see me take control of the defending sg and run across court....one with allen, one with kobe....

Thanks I just could not see the circle/icon from the video. Yeah I would say that's pretty bad for the cpu not to recognize a wide open man. Question I wonder/ask now is this gonna be addressed? I misread the topic of the thread and that's why I asked the previous questions. Sorry I was not trying to put you on the spot and hope it was not taken that way, but this is BAD!!!!

[Flightwhite24]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

LOL.

From my experience its hit or miss.....If you leave them open somestimes the wont break their set at all, sometimes theyll pass it to them when the shot clock is winding down, sometimes they wot pass to them at all...

Just a few clips of what I think the OP is seeing

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/12867215

http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/12867147

After looking again at the video all I can say is WOW!!!! Speechless is probably a better word.

[blues rocker]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

Yep. It seems pretty clear that Live's CPU has no brain when it comes to offense. It seems that when the CPU gets the ball, It decides ahead of time which player will shoot the ball - then it runs a play and it will force that predetermined player to shoot whether he is guarded or not. Rather than "break the scripted play" it will always shoot with that predetermined player rather than "improvise" and pass to an open man. Basically Live's CPU AI has no ability to improvise and change it's plan based on what the defense is doing (like leaving a wide open man).

Frankly, I don't think either game is worth playing this year. I prefer Live, but between this bad CPU AI on offense, and it's sluggish passing controls (and its tendency to pass directly into defenders rather than lob passes over them), I just don't know if I can play this game - too many frustrations.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

While I agree with your topic....(its obvious its there from the videos i posted) I dont think the cpu is COMPLETELY void of any improvisation...Im pretty sure ive seen them adjust at times...but sometimes, yes....they run what they want to run no matter what.

[Pared]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

lol

I'm sorry but that is just funny. I don't know how someone would catch that. I would never do what you just did 24th. It kind of reminds me of baseball games when you would purposely run all the way to the outfield seeing if the runner would try and take that extra base. I used to do that all the time when I was younger, hoping to throw the guy out.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

Lol yeah, check my earlier posts on how i discovered it....My videos were just to provide an example of what the op was talking about.....

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

hmmm Its strange man....ive noticed the pg attacks almost immediately when you give him space though...middle of a play or not..

[ehh]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

I feel like every time I turn this game on vs the CPU I'm playing a different game. Some games the CPU plays so well and life-like (two games vs the Hornets and Suns were awesome, so maybe it's PG related?) and then some are just blah with guys doing too many things that make you scratch your head.

The two games I played yesterday didn't have this issue at all, CP3 hit a few cutters in the lane when I was playing manual off-ball D and got lazy with the sticks.

[ILLSmak]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

I don't think any CPU will ever do what we want it to do. 2k (laser passes notwithstanding) has a cut throat AI that is too smart to simulate NBA. NBA Live does force it.

But they HAVE TO! If they made the right play, you would be saying stuff like "LeBron only had 10 points!" Just like how people say the PG is scoring the most of the points in Live... that's cuz nobody can play decent on ball defense.

Again, that's why I am an advocate for testing the game purely for player vs player and letting cpu play die out. (Would even be cool to see user profiles like 2k had that could simulate a players playstyle... cept ones that actually worked.) You always have to establish 'house rules' and do what the computer wants you to do in order to get a good experience with them.

Just like in college hoops, you could always double team the pg and steal the pass when they tried to force it back to him...

The point is, there is no reason to simulate true intelligence in a sports game. 95% of the people would not have a leg to stand on. Live adds in the guards always getting back, and people complain about lack of fast breaks... heh. Then 2k makes it so that players make mistakes and you have dudes like... what's his name... smoov? making videos like O M G!! THAT WAS KG. HE JUST DID THAT?

Just play online. Screw the computer.

-Smak

[supertnt]

Re: Big problem - Live's CPU does not recognize open teammates

to the original poster of this thread:

i have been reading operation sports for years, but don't post alot (obviously)

i wish that i had not read your topic
what is your work around for this problem?..i tested out a few games and when i leave my man wide open (if it is not the pg) they don't shoot...i didn't realize the computer AI does not break the scripted plays they want to run.

I have played live from the first game till 2004, then went to 2k..so i am not biased in terms of a company..but this issue (coupled with poor subbing and players getting realistic minutes) has made the game almost unplayable