Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THIS!

**sportyguyfl31** · 11-10-2009, 12:27 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

Originally posted by ehh

I take back everything I ever said about All-Star or Superstar difficulty re: contact in the paint, etc. Hell I take back everything I ever said about horrible collision animations. I take back everything about not getting to the FT line.

It was all user error, I finally 100% got Layup Solutions and the euro/pro/spin moves down. In turn I get to the FT line plenty (30+ times when aggressive) and in turn the ugly contact animations are all gone.

All it took was one trip back to Mike Wang's shooting tutorial and I immediately found my problem. 7 minutes in, 7:10 to be exact - as soon as I heard it I knew my problem (and probably everyone else's).

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When you want to start these moves from 15'-18' feet out you have to have turbo pressed. That was my problem, I got so used to never using turbo besides the open floor that I was trying to execute these moves without holding turbo. That's when the crap-fest contact bonanza begins. Unless the lane is parted like the Red Sea you aren't gonna get these layups off without a bad contact animation w/o turbo. You must have turbo pressed.

So I tried balling with D-Rose on Superstar, still rarely using turbo but pressing it down just before I flick the stick and press the shot button when I want a layup solution...

....magic.... **There are fouls on Clip 1, 4, 5 & 7 (it's hard to hear the whistle)

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For comparison sake, below is the one time I chose not to press turbo while trying a layup solutions move, look familiar to a lot of you?

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There's no fancy editing to try and make this look better than advertised, those were literally the first seven times in the game I took it to the rack with D-Rose and properly used turbo to do a Layup Solution. I didn't edit out or not save any bad contact replays. Funny thing is the Warriors adjusted like crazy after this and really collapsed into the paint. I forced it one time and got a "good contact animation" and missed the shot. So don't think this is cheese either.

Now of course you still get contact and you still go to the FT line a lot (which is good, and realistic) but when turbo is pressed you DO NOT see this animation (below) that makes everyone want to bang their head against the wall. Mid "cool layup animation" and you get sucked into the "bad contact animtion". This does not happen when you have turbo pressed. Obviously in this clip with Hughes I didn't have turbo pressed, he did miss the shot, I know the clip is cut a little short.

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Also don't be an idiot and go barreling into the paint all the time, make sure you still pick and chose the right times to drive and use layup solutions. Still make quality basketball decisions.

Sooooo damn happy I finally figured this out!

Live was teetering the edge with me because this aspect of game play was so frustrating. I can't see this disc leaving my PS3 for long time now. So good to finally be able to dominate with small, quick guards who get into the paint IRL. It's also huge because crappy defensive teams no longer feel better than they are. I quickly tested Tony Parker versus the Knicks for 5 minutes on Superstar and ate them alive, same thing as the D-Rose vid.

So the key things to remember are...

1) Start 15'-18' out
2) Have turbo pressed when you press the shot button (but still don't abuse turbo)
3) Make sure the stick isn't pressed towards the hoop, that make you attempt a dunk which you don't want.

Good luck to everyone when testing this out.

Congratulations, on sticking with it, and figuring it out.

Its a whole new world now, isnt it?

**Jano** · 11-10-2009, 01:05 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

Thanks for the tip Ehh I'm going to give this a try. Hopefully it works out for me, I am beyond frustrated w/ this game b/c of this one issue.

**DW3** · 11-10-2009, 01:07 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

thanks ehh, i will tr this when i get home. this is my only issue with the game. if this works, i will be in hoops heaven!

**nron** · 11-10-2009, 01:10 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

so are you using sliders at all? or 100% default sliders?
What difficulty level are you playing at?

**ehh** · 11-10-2009, 01:30 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

Right now I'm on Superstar with blocks at zero for human and CPU, though I may change that now that I've straightened out the layup issue.

I have all fouls at 100 cept for air-collision fouls which is somewhere around 75.

Another thing I should mention, I never have turbo pressed while I'm doing my dribble moves to get by my defender, I wait until I've beaten him and then hold turbo. So I beat my man without turbo then kinda all in one quick motion hit turbo/flick stick/hit shot button.

**nron** · 11-10-2009, 01:33 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

even reach-in fouls at 100?

**sportyguyfl31** · 11-10-2009, 01:38 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

Originally posted by ehh

Another thing I should mention, I never have turbo pressed while I'm doing my dribble moves to get by my defender, I wait until I've beaten him and then hold turbo. So I beat my man without turbo then kinda all in one quick motion hit turbo/flick stick/hit shot button.

thats good to remember as well..its easier to read where the help D is coming from so you know what way to move that stick, if you are selective with the turbo.

**ehh** · 11-10-2009, 01:40 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

@ nron - I think so but you can change that since it doesn't affect shots in the paint/layup solutions as far as I can tell. I'm definitely no foul slider guru. It probably is too high now that you mention it, I've been trying to play disciplined D a lot late and not go for steals. The few times I have gone for an on-ball steal I've gotten a whistle.

Maybe 75? Maybe 50? I'm not sure.

**ehh** · 11-10-2009, 01:41 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

Have you been doing Layup Solutions properly this entire time, SGFL? I don't ever remember seeing you complain about it in all the threads on here (which are obviously plentiful). You've been holding out on us!

**nron** · 11-10-2009, 01:44 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

sweet, thanks ehh!

I am probably going to leave the blocks where they are @ default, but I will raise all fouls to 100, except in-air, i'll put that at 75, and reach in, I will probably leave at default.

Thanks for your help!!

**ehh** · 11-10-2009, 01:48 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

Yeah I'm definitely going to move blocks back to default now that I can do these moves on command any time I wish. I had blocks zeroed out because it was so hit or miss with layup solutions and a lot of the UCA (ugly contact animations) would result in my shot getting blocked. Now I don't have that issue obviously.

Just because I figured out Layup Solutions doesn't mean I should be able to get into the paint at will and never get a shot blocked in there.

Back to 50 for blocks.

**nron** · 11-10-2009, 04:07 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

@ ehh - Have you tried playing on all-star? do you find that you get a totally different experience on superstar? I was blown away yesterday when I played on superstar for the first time...I got my A@@ handed to me, but it was fun.

**ehh** · 11-10-2009, 04:11 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

I still think I'm going to wind up playing on Pro long term with slider adjustments. On All-Star and Superstar your teammates don't rotate to my liking (too often they'll stand there and do not rotate) and the CPU seems to make more jumpers than you no matter what on Superstar.

I've gotten one win on Superstar (it was with blocks at zero like we discussed earlier) and because I shot 44 FT's which helped overcome my 38% field goal clip as a team.

Pro has always felt the most "real" and "even" to me in terms of what the HUM and CPU can do. It's too easy on default though so we'll have to see, but I have gotten some beatings on Pro. LeBron dropped 44 on me the other night on Pro.

**nron** · 11-10-2009, 04:30 PM

Re: Trouble getting to the FT line (any difficulty) or with Layup Solutions? READ THI

so, you have been playing with default sliders, adjusted fouls sliders, and pro difficulty, and you find it too easy sometimes?

I agree that it's brutally hard on superstar, but it was so much fun!! I might try all-star tonight, just to see if I get a similar experience, without the a@@-kicking.

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