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    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #61
    Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

    09 did have the defender riding the ball handler too much on fastbreaks and stuff but I didnt figure that could be tweaked at the time. Still, its a shame all of that stuff there they took out. Its bad enough the animations are big time limited

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    • ehh
      Hall Of Fame
      • Mar 2003
      • 28962

      #62
      Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

      The rotations are part of the problem with body contact too. Big men are way to quick and agile in '10. They all recover like they're Bill Russell. This lets them cut off driving lanes much to often which causes even more stupid body contact.

      The rotations and recovery is still good in '10 on the perimeter but it took a big step backwards in the paint.
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      • 23
        yellow
        • Sep 2002
        • 66469

        #63
        Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

        That can be edited too but who wants to do all of that. Its ridiculous but I do think they did that for cheesers since the game was so heavily online manufacured.

        Online gaming is killing sports games in general because of all of the things they do to prevent cheese. Its never going to happen and it shouldnt be that high of a priority no matter how much people scream and holler when it comes to direct SP gameplay vs online. SP is the most important

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        • Altimus
          Chelsea, Assemble!
          • Nov 2004
          • 27283

          #64
          Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

          Originally posted by 23
          That can be edited too but who wants to do all of that. Its ridiculous but I do think they did that for cheesers since the game was so heavily online manufacured.

          Online gaming is killing sports games in general because of all of the things they do to prevent cheese. Its never going to happen and it shouldnt be that high of a priority no matter how much people scream and holler when it comes to direct SP gameplay vs online. SP is the most important
          Well said. As you mentioned, people will always find someway to glitch or cheese something. It's just the truth. At the same time while they're trying to limit the cheesing, in the process they're ruining the basketball aspect of it. I play hoop games all year round but I never play randoms anymore. Stopped that after 2K4 or so.

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          • loadleft
            Rookie
            • Oct 2005
            • 284

            #65
            Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

            Originally posted by 23
            That can be edited too but who wants to do all of that. Its ridiculous but I do think they did that for cheesers since the game was so heavily online manufacured.

            Online gaming is killing sports games in general because of all of the things they do to prevent cheese. Its never going to happen and it shouldnt be that high of a priority no matter how much people scream and holler when it comes to direct SP gameplay vs online. SP is the most important
            I agree also! 23, Ehh, others do you guys ever play the game without the patches? If so do you have the same feelings about gameplay in the non-patched versions? I am wondering do you feel the game's design is just bad or is it just bad tweaking resulting from the last two patches?

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            • DJ
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2003
              • 17756

              #66
              Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

              Originally posted by 23
              That can be edited too but who wants to do all of that. Its ridiculous but I do think they did that for cheesers since the game was so heavily online manufacured.

              Online gaming is killing sports games in general because of all of the things they do to prevent cheese. Its never going to happen and it shouldnt be that high of a priority no matter how much people scream and holler when it comes to direct SP gameplay vs online. SP is the most important
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              • DJ
                Hall Of Fame
                • Apr 2003
                • 17756

                #67
                Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                Originally posted by loadleft
                I agree also! 23, Ehh, others do you guys ever play the game without the patches? If so do you have the same feelings about gameplay in the non-patched versions? I am wondering do you feel the game's design is just bad or is it just bad tweaking resulting from the last two patches?
                Yeah, it's called NCAA Basketball Seriously though, I do still play that game. Yes, I'm always worried about the game freezing but it offers a lot of the strengths that pre-patch Live did and adds in a few things to make the game more college-specific.
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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #68
                  Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                  Originally posted by 23
                  Online gaming is killing sports games in general because of all of the things they do to prevent cheese. Its never going to happen and it shouldnt be that high of a priority no matter how much people scream and holler when it comes to direct SP gameplay vs online. SP is the most important
                  This won't happen though. When the game is released, the only people who will complain early on are those playing online.

                  Then 6-8 months later when most are playing offline (like now) only will SP issues really be looked at. Hell, I remember all the grief I was given when I brought up the Late Game AI less than a week or so after release. Some even went so far as to say they didn't see it (which was laughable, same with the goaltending glitch I uncovered).

                  The formula is simple (take notes): solid, balanced gameplay followed with accessibility and stability for online.

                  Live was pretty stable online for the most part this year. It was the gameplay that did them in - by becoming stale so quickly and having a few exploits.

                  You can't cater to entitled. I saw a ridiculous post somewhere here how we should be given a way to post a bug in the game and have the progress of it tracked on how they were fixing it... built into the game. Just goes to show you just how off some have become.

                  Just focus on solidifying the core. 2k has done this year after year after year. EA needs to follow suit on this mindset.
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                  • loadleft
                    Rookie
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 284

                    #69
                    Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                    Originally posted by Pared

                    You can't cater to entitled. I saw a ridiculous post somewhere here how we should be given a way to post a bug in the game and have the progress of it tracked on how they were fixing it... built into the game. Just goes to show you just how off some have become.
                    on this mindset.
                    Pared, I may be off, but I too thought in game feedback was a good idea. All the tracking stuff I didn't/don't feel is needed but I do think the dev's would get a much better cross section of input if they asked for input in the game, right where everyone is using the product vs. having to leave the game and come get on the PC. In my mind it's just a simple send a message option similar to the text messages some games used to allow you to send to other players. The dev's could make certain events solicit user feedback too. Am I missing something?

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                    • 23
                      yellow
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 66469

                      #70
                      Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                      Originally posted by Pared
                      This won't happen though. When the game is released, the only people who will complain early on are those playing online.

                      Then 6-8 months later when most are playing offline (like now) only will SP issues really be looked at. Hell, I remember all the grief I was given when I brought up the Late Game AI less than a week or so after release. Some even went so far as to say they didn't see it (which was laughable, same with the goaltending glitch I uncovered).

                      The formula is simple (take notes): solid, balanced gameplay followed with accessibility and stability for online.

                      Live was pretty stable online for the most part this year. It was the gameplay that did them in - by becoming stale so quickly and having a few exploits.

                      You can't cater to entitled. I saw a ridiculous post somewhere here how we should be given a way to post a bug in the game and have the progress of it tracked on how they were fixing it... built into the game. Just goes to show you just how off some have become.

                      Just focus on solidifying the core. 2k has done this year after year after year. EA needs to follow suit on this mindset.
                      That's exactly what I was talking about man. It really is simple to understand.

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                      • Pared
                        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 39337

                        #71
                        Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                        Many reasons why:

                        1-You basically let everyone know that your product is ****. But hey, let us know how we can make you less angry.

                        2-It's a waste of the developers time (anyone's time of that matter) to sort through all the nonsense that will go through it.

                        You just need a core group of focused individuals, not some worthless in-game feedback system.
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                        • loadleft
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 284

                          #72
                          Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                          I guess I can see how that could become a headache. I don't know if I'd consider it worthless or at least anymore worthless than complaining online. I've been reading complaints for years and may have seen a total of 3 actually addressed. I was just thinking since the dev's ask how could they be better at post purchase support that that would be a way. You are right on though about it really needing the right individuals but everyone thinks they are the "right one". If anything they need a diverse group of gamers w/all skill levels and gameplay preferences. I get the impressions that when most video game developers look for tester they seek those with lots of gaming skill and knowledge but I think they should have a few that's just the opposite of that. Either way looking at it from your POV I can see how my suggestion could leave to a whole lot of nothing!

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                          • Pared
                            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 39337

                            #73
                            Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                            It's not about dumping on your suggestion though, so don't take it that way. It's just a matter of "is it worth the time to implement?"

                            They can utilize all that time spent on something like that to incorporate other basketball related things.
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                            • loadleft
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                              • Oct 2005
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                              #74
                              Re: Avoiding All Star Body Contact

                              Originally posted by Pared
                              It's not about dumping on your suggestion though, so don't take it that way. It's just a matter of "is it worth the time to implement?"

                              They can utilize all that time spent on something like that to incorporate other basketball related things.
                              We've discussed things in the past so I knew it wasn't that. I agree though the more time spent on basketball related issues the better. I am again near my frustration threshold with this game and may put it down again. The playoffs really had me wantiing to play some but there's just so many issues. Lots to love but lots to hate!
                              Last edited by loadleft; 05-21-2010, 09:24 AM. Reason: tense

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