NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

[BDM313]

this might be the year EA gets over the hump....lookin great by the way the animations look fluid even if its still a work in progress last year was a step in the right direction looks like they're going all out with it....we will indeed see.

[ParisB]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

this might be the year EA gets over the hump....lookin great by the way the animations look fluid even if its still a work in progress last year was a step in the right direction looks like they're going all out with it....we will indeed see.

Yea, as long as we keep making strides forward and contribute in a good way. It's not realistic to expect this amazing perfect game. Devs can only do so much.

Live '09 was a good step. Live '10 was an even bigger step. I have higher hopes for Elite '11, and everything is looking promising to at least keep the trend. Just keep focusing on gameplay and add presentation here and there.

Each game had some shortcomings, but headed in the right direction.

[PH1LLYSFINEST13]

Any word on Post play? WIll there be more moves and any type of signature post shots/moves?

[PH1LLYSFINEST13]

One more question is will there be a way to determine if we want to do a layup or a dunk seeing as how there is no more turbo?

[Live Boii]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

One more question is will there be a way to determine if we want to do a layup or a dunk seeing as how there is no more turbo?

yes roll up left or right for left handed or right handed layups.
and lastly up to dunk.

[PH1LLYSFINEST13]

yes roll up left or right for left handed or right handed layups.
and lastly up to dunk.

Thanks man , appreciate it. Makes me feel better so i dont gotta worry bout some of the smaller players dunking EVERY time like Jennings. I know he can dunk , but he rarely does.

[dirtypuppet]

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I completely understand this years mantra for 'total control' and I really do like it, but in regards to Jennings dunking every time:

It would feel much more natural to pull up on the stick for a layup, so how about for players such as Jennings who have the ability to dunk, but rarely do that pulling up is not always a dunk attempt. I think it should be more like if the situation is right, or based on his tendencies he'll do a dunk attempt. I think that that's more realistic.

Then it's more like

roll left - left handed layup
roll right - right handed layup
straight up - attack the rim (with the possibility of a dunk attempt, based on ratings)

I might pass this onto the game play thread also.

[thomonkey]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

I completely understand this years mantra for 'total control' and I really do like it, but in regards to Jennings dunking every time:

It would feel much more natural to pull up on the stick for a layup, so how about for players such as Jennings who have the ability to dunk, but rarely do that pulling up is not always a dunk attempt. I think it should be more like if the situation is right, or based on his tendencies he'll do a dunk attempt. I think that that's more realistic.

Then it's more like

roll left - left handed layup
roll right - right handed layup
straight up - attack the rim (with the possibility of a dunk attempt, based on ratings)

I might pass this onto the game play thread also.

i think this is already how the system works, they just didnt have player ratings in for the video.

[dirtypuppet]

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i think this is already how the system works, they just didnt have player ratings in for the video.

The problem I see is. If you control it, it's up to you to decide to dunk. But there are lots of players in the NBA that can only just dunk, or rarely do in games, yet alone in traffic, so I feel that when you push up on the stick and are going towards the rim, the decision to dunk shouldn't be so 'finite' but more of a tendency driven result.

Just my 2 cents, but if I was making the game, this is how I would do it.

[Jano]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

I completely understand this years mantra for 'total control' and I really do like it, but in regards to Jennings dunking every time:

It would feel much more natural to pull up on the stick for a layup, so how about for players such as Jennings who have the ability to dunk, but rarely do that pulling up is not always a dunk attempt. I think it should be more like if the situation is right, or based on his tendencies he'll do a dunk attempt. I think that that's more realistic.

Then it's more like

roll left - left handed layup
roll right - right handed layup
straight up - attack the rim (with the possibility of a dunk attempt, based on ratings)

I might pass this onto the game play thread also.

That is how the system works..

If the guy has a low dunk rating then he'll throw up a floater or teardrop instead of a dunk.

[P-Dub]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

I like the idea of attacking the rim. Could be an attempt to draw a foul if there is a defender. Floaters can already be attempted manually.

[dirtypuppet]

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That is how the system works..

If the guy has a low dunk rating then he'll throw up a floater or teardrop instead of a dunk.

I get it, but what about players with marginal dunk ratings? My suggestion for them to attack the rim, resulting in either a strong layup, or possibly a dunk attempt. Just not always a dunk attempt as I don't feel this is realistic.

Even possibly for Lebron. If Lebron 'attacks the rim', more than likely he'll attempt a dunk, but sometimes, a strong straight up lay in is what he'll do. So for example, push up on the stick driving to the hole and the chances are:

Lebron James; 95% dunk / 5% strong layup
Marvin Williams; 50% dunk / 50% strong layup
Dwight Howard; 98% dunk / 2% strong layup
Mehmet Okur; 10% dunk / 90% layup (just a guess, i rarely see the big guy dunk)
Brandon Jennings; 15% dunk / 85% strong layup
Ty Lawson; 5% dunk / 95% strong layup

Just me guessing at %'s here, but you get my point. So you can see with Ty Lawson, if you drive the lane, the chances of you dunking are quite low, but that one special time, you may surprise the defense (as he did last season) but it's not something that he would attempt often at all.

And these %'s should be based on tendencies.

[ParisB]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

For bank shots, can't we use a modifier button, like one of the shoulder buttons? That way we don't have the "shoot on the way down" problem.

[Jano]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

I get it, but what about players with marginal dunk ratings? My suggestion for them to attack the rim, resulting in either a strong layup, or possibly a dunk attempt. Just not always a dunk attempt as I don't feel this is realistic.

Even possibly for Lebron. If Lebron 'attacks the rim', more than likely he'll attempt a dunk, but sometimes, a strong straight up lay in is what he'll do. So for example, push up on the stick driving to the hole and the chances are:

Lebron James; 95% dunk / 5% strong layup
Marvin Williams; 50% dunk / 50% strong layup
Dwight Howard; 98% dunk / 2% strong layup
Mehmet Okur; 10% dunk / 90% layup (just a guess, i rarely see the big guy dunk)
Brandon Jennings; 15% dunk / 85% strong layup
Ty Lawson; 5% dunk / 95% strong layup

Just me guessing at %'s here, but you get my point. So you can see with Ty Lawson, if you drive the lane, the chances of you dunking are quite low, but that one special time, you may surprise the defense (as he did last season) but it's not something that he would attempt often at all.

And these %'s should be based on tendencies.

Okay now I understand what you're sayin and that would be a good idea. But I think the system in place now seems like it'll deliver what you want.

I think the system being used now allows you to make that decision whether or not you want to go up strong w/ a dunk or layup manually. I understand how its not that realistic but the thing is the devs are giving us the option to attempt a layup whenever we want by rolling the stick.

I think your suggestion would be more valid if rolling left/right meant you would attempt a move that avoids the defender. But so far all I've seen is that rolling the stick just means you will attack the basket with a layup.

If you press up on the stick it will lead to the most aggressive move that player can offer whether that is a dunk or layup is based on ratings. With this system you can decide if you want to attempt that dunk if his rating permits it feel me.

So instead of it being based on some tendency you as the user decide exactly how you want to go up. Now if you are speaking from the AI's standpoint then yes this would be a good idea because we can't control how they will react.

[HasheemThabeet]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Video: Exclusive Shooting Fundamentals Developer Diary

I agree with you on the shot power thing. We've had this discussion amongst the dev team about the power meter.

Basically, an early release in real life should result in a lower powered shot. A late release in real life should result in a lower powered shot.

However, people who play video games are trained to think of a power meter as just that. The longer you charge the power, the more power you'll get.

Unfortunately these two ideas conflict.

We've focus tested the two and for now the power meter remains as it is in the video. If you feel strongly about it one way or the other, voice your opinions, post a poll, make it known how you feel.

The game isn't done yet so it is possible to have an influence.

I cannot promise anything will change, but if you feel strongly about it you should make that known.

We are listening.

The easiest solution would be just to make it a user-controllable option.