NBA Elite 11 Video: Real AI

[RayDog253]

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IMO EA has yet to show anything that I would consider real physics, it's impossible to say okay this will only happen once because nothing is scripted yet only show us one example of this happening wont it be more beneficial to show a bunch of video with the same situation to show us how nothing is scripted.

Yeah, I like that Idea....

[PVarck31]

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Check out quick clips #3 and #5 on youtube, they are definitely not the greatest looking things though but they do display the physics engine in the game.

I guess we are going to have to wait for either the demo or an extended 5on5 video to see how much of an effect the physics can have on the game though..

Will check those out. I am hopeful that the builds we are seeing are early and don't show off the true physics.

I will say that even if they aren't great this year, I still applaud them for going this route. Its definitely something they can build on, and the direction sports games should be going.

[Young Murder]

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At this point people shouldn't even care about videos no more since the demo is right around the corner. Just my thoughts

[Tha_Kid]

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I wouldn't group sliding and physics together though. rEAnimator posted a couple times that a bug was resulting in the physics and the footplanting systems fighting each other.

I wonder more about the AI. What is Krstic doing in that play at the end where Durant dunks? His man is getting ready to help on Durant, he should be ready for a dump off or positioning for rebound. At the very least he should be paying attention to the play. Instead he's looking off to the bench, maybe setting a pointless screen. Nevermind that Kaman's block attempt is the same disappointing jump straight in the air nowhere near Durant challenge that was in previous years.

@YM, Demo is probably still 2 weeks off at the earliest, that's practically an eternity on these boards. 3 if you're on XBL Silver.

[FreshPrince22]

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"Real AI"? judging by the video, it just sounds like a fancy term for a long two-player animation sequence. you know, the stuff everybody's been complaining about the past couple of years in bball video games...

[RayDog253]

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"Real AI"? judging by the video, it just sounds like a fancy term for a long two-player animation sequence. you know, the stuff everybody's been complaining about the past couple of years in bball video games...

I don't think the player will be locked in to that whole sequence??? But you never know, we'll just have to wait for the demo or the 5v5 vids next week to find out.

[Rocboyz101]

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Im kinda at a lost for words with that dunk around the 1 min mark..

[Tha_Kid]

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I can't begin to understand how one comes to the conclusion that REAL AI is a "long two-player animation sequence".

[FreshPrince22]

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I can't begin to understand how one comes to the conclusion that REAL AI is a "long two-player animation sequence".

really?

"with real AI, we have the luxury of recording sequences that will playback for specific players"

not to mention the video footage itself consisting of guys going into what look to be automated cowering motions and shot-contests. what's so difficult to understand?

[Tha_Kid]

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what's so difficult to understand?

This is what I want to ask you. A cursory read through the thread would tell you that it is not what you are saying it is.

I believe its a way for the dev team to replicate a players moves or tendencies on the court. So maybe at certain spots on the floor (like the wing) Durant will do the jab, pumpfake, and drive.

It'll add some individuality to the CPU because now the players will actually be doing certain moves. For example Melo loves to use the jab step on certain parts of the floor so now with this real-AI he will.

Where as last year they had his tendency to just go left, right, spot up, etc. Now they have actual moves for the AI to use. So it should get rid of a lot of the genericness that was in Live 10.

[rEAnimator]

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"Real AI"? judging by the video, it just sounds like a fancy term for a long two-player animation sequence. you know, the stuff everybody's been complaining about the past couple of years in bball video games...

No that's not what REAL AI is at all.

1. Real AI has nothing to do with animations. It's essentially recording joystick inputs and playing them back on AI controlled players when the player is in the same situation as when the inputs were recorded.

2. There is nothing two player about REAL AI. REAL AI sequences are played back on only one player at a time, in this case, the CPU ball carrier.

I'm sure stepsix will be in here shortly to answer all the questions in detail as this was one of his big features for the year.

Basically, when you are playing against Kevin Durant in the game when he has the ball it will be as if you're playing an online game against him since he recorded all the moves in all the contexts based on how he would want to play.

But you can still steal the ball, or interrupt what he's doing, and he can still change sequences at any time to react to what you're doing.

[NoTiCe_O]

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"Real AI"? judging by the video, it just sounds like a fancy term for a long two-player animation sequence. you know, the stuff everybody's been complaining about the past couple of years in bball video games...

Huh? It sounds nothing like that

[dirtypuppet]

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EDIT: The dunks at 1:10 - 1:16 have me worried. A player dunked out of a jab step from the free throw line.

It honestly amazes me that EA continues to put video sequences like these in their promo clips. I'm all for tech demos and WIP videos, but EA, c'mon, choose these a bit more carefully, it's very easy to turn of consumers with sequences like that.

[FreshPrince22]

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so it's not an "animation," it's just a "recording" that plays back in the proper context. fine. it makes no difference to me whether some guy wearing a mo-cap suit is responsible or whether some canned joystick movements are responsible. semantics aside, how is the "recording" any different in presentation to the gamer than a typical "animation" (namely the ones in other games which can also be broken and have tendencies/AI to help the CPU adapt)? overall, i'm just trying to figure out the "innovative" part for the experience of the gamer


but it's cool to hear it's not a two-man thing. it would've been nice to see durant's move in a different context than the defender jobbing on his pumpfake though

[rEAnimator]

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so it's not an "animation," it's just a "recording" that plays back in the proper context. fine. it makes no difference to me whether some guy wearing a mo-cap suit is responsible or whether some canned joystick movements are responsible. semantics aside, how is the "recording" any different in presentation to the gamer than a typical "animation" (namely the ones in other games which can also be broken and have tendencies/AI to help the CPU adapt)? overall, i'm just trying to figure out the "innovative" part for the experience of the gamer


but it's cool to hear it's not a two-man thing. it would've been nice to see durant's move in a different context than the defender jobbing on his pumpfake though

You're right, I can see where you're coming from now. In essence, from your perspective as a player, they may as well be animations.

The real innovation from a gameplay standpoint is in the system that detects the context in the game and matches it to the context in a recording.

From a technical standpoint though, mocapping these sequences as animations would be impossible both from a money standpoint and a memory standpoint.

It is financially prohibitive to fly out every NBA star to do massive amounts of moves in all possible situations.

And from a memory standpoint it is absolutely impossible to fit that much animation on current generation consoles.

By recording inputs, we can record 100 times more data for all the contexts needed, and do that for 1000 times more players than if it was animation.

We can also get people to mimic real life player tendencies a lot easier by using the joystick, and in the case of Kevin Durant, get the real life players to do it.

Hopefully that clears things up.