NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

[fatleg3]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Well one thing i do like and i can see alot of people complaining about is the graphics (360). It seems they FINALLY got rid of the hunchback players which has been a main gripe of mine for years.

On the other hand the lack of a turbo / speed button im not diggin at all. This game will definitely take some time to get used to and hopefully it wont put me off from it. its definitely going to be hard to play 2 basketball games this year because of the different control schemes on each.

I still like the direction they are heading game feels different from 10 which i hated

yea the lack of turbo is killing me right now. its like all the players are running at the same speed and when i want to speed up or slow down i cant.

its not like this is madden where the only time you are not running full speed is when you are trying to find a hole to run in. its like either im walking or running and when im not running at full speed its unintentionally like when im trying to drive to the hole or go around a pick

[Peter_OS]

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Played the demo, and one word sums up my impressions. Dissapointment.

After playing the 2K demo I don't understand how someone would want to play, and buy this game.

I hate the controls. Had to turn them off, and go back to the classic controls. They weren't as responsive as I wanted them to be in the demo. I would go up for a dunk, and instead my player would do a leaning jumpshot.

The player graphics are average at best, (looks like NBA 09 Inside) they have this bland and glossy look, which I don't like at all. It's time for EA to overhaul the graphics, and animation system in this game!!

I couldn't play more than 10 minutes of the demo. It was frustrating to see. Uninstalled the demo, and I asked myself why did I waste my time with this game?!? Thank God for the competition!

[DakkoN]

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You gotta be kidding me just look at the gameplay/graphics Game is bad bro bring back live 10 ..

You should really just stop posting in this thread now. Your impressions stopped a long time ago and it's getting really old reading about "ps2 graphics". You're not doing anything but trolling at this point.

[LingeringRegime]

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I did and I want NBA Live 10 back -- badly. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many of us thought 10 was a really really good game that needed a few things ironed out. Instead, we've got.............. this.

Over the past couple years I turned from the 2k series to live and was really excited for this year. I haven't been on the forums for months until recently. I came on and saw they scrapped a tremendous came for a project. Ok, that sucks but let's see how it goes. After today I can officially say I'm a 2K guy again. The AI is atrocious. The announcing is embarrassing. The graphics are, well, I don't need to say it. The controls are "meh" -- and albeit an attempt to be revolutionary, what really happened is you guys shot yourself in both feet with shotguns.

Sales will dictate how bad of a move this will be. Don't think just because we're sim gamers here we don't in some way represent what casual gamers are going to say and do. The single biggest move that EA did was make the graphics aweful and casusal gamers will not stand for that. Returns and word of mouth will destroy sales. Maybe the EA hype machine can overmarket this game and trick a few, but eventually it's going to catch up.

Shame on you EA.

Live 10 was such a breath of fresh air. Spacing, ball movement, penetration to collapse the defense, then kick it out to the open shooter. I preferred it over 2K10.

I am still in shock from what I played last night. It is like taking one step forward, and five steps back. I just don't understand how the powers that be could sign off in this change of direction. When Live FINALLY gained some momentum. Very interested in seeing the sales numbers a month or so after release. I can see why NBA Jam is used as bait in this case. It really makes me sad.

[Pared]

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You better believe we will be going back through this thread and handing out infractions.

Some of these comments are completely out of line and will be handled appropriately.

[jtownboy15]

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Not wat I was expecting.....a lot of delay between my input and player movement

[Goffs]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available For PS3, Later Today For 360, Post Impressions Here

ugh...i hate that the RT button is now the pass button...why..why would you guys think thats a good idea? i had a ton of fun with Live 10 demo and thats what sold me to get the game last year....ugh...

only pros i can think of is that the sound and atmosphere is still solid, controls are nice once you get the hang of it and you can play as the Celtics...its a shame that there are no player differences they all pretty much move the same...

[illmatic174]

Re: NBA Elite 11 Demo Available, Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Love the dribble controls, hate everything else

[The 24th Letter]

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Man from what im SEEING the game looks much smoother animation wise..I cant believe people are saying Live 10's were smoother....some animations literally stopped and began with another in that game...I dont want that back by anu means...

[mrclutch]

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Is it just me or with the icon passing is there a overly-long delay from when you hold rb until the icons appear? I hope that is just a demo thing.

[dwanestar]

When you dunk its sounds like a gunshot hahahah

[brezz2001]

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ugh...i hate that the RT button is now the pass button...why..why would you guys think thats a good idea? i had a ton of fun with Live 10 demo and thats what sold me to get the game last year....ugh...

only pros i can think of is that the sound and atmosphere is still solid, controls are nice once you get the hang of it and you can play as the Celtics...its a shame that there are no player differences they all pretty much move the same...

I'm sure one of the reasons they went to RT passing in Elite was because of the success of the NHL series. It has worked fine there. But I am in agreement, for some reason it doesn't work quite as well in basketball as in hockey.

Brian

[Tha_Kid]

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A lot of positives in this game. A lot of jank too. I find the graphics better than Live 10, just less vibrant. There is sterile quality to presentation but the commentary is surprisingly solid. They won't tell stories but its a refreshing team to listen to. Right stick controls are much more intuitive than past Lives for me. On Defense, it's even better. I like the game best in broadcast.

The defense is worlds better, there are good bodying animations and using LT can help a lot (unless its Kobe, who roasted me each game). It gets shaky again in the post, as there will be a lot of awkwardness animation wise. Still, the post game is pretty fun as well, though i'm still getting used to the moves. The blocking can get pretty bad on jumpshots. It got better the more i played (as in the shots I was taking weren't as obvious) but it still looks super unrealistic. The verticals also contribute to the how bad the mid-air collsions can look, particularly on rebounds & adjusted shots. Steals & pressuring the ballhandler feels great but I wasn't impressed with the loose ball hustle. Better than Live 10 but still meh. Multiple times the ball was going out of bounds and in all I got one hustle animation, from Bynum who threw it out anyway. Loose balls where the ball stays on the court could also use a controllable hustle, if you will.

Once I got a hang of the controls (which wasn't until i stopped 5-on-5 and played Be a pro and then went back) I pulled off some plays and moves that really felt rewarding, particularly the finishes. I don't think it was a good idea making layups harder to make than dunks, but it definitely is rewarding when you do pull off a great drive and get the layup all because of skill. Feathering the LS can bring some good stuff in the Elite demo as well when it comes to getting space for the jumper or the drive.

There are fastbreaks, which surprised me. I had one where Pierce picked up a looseball around halfcourt and Artest and Fisher were right with him, but I edged him and Pierce bursted forward to finish with a sweet fingerroll. It's not ideal, as Fisher could chase down Rondo, but when the sprint kicks in at the right time it can make for a great break.

I had a completely positive experience with Become Legendary. With playcalling on, it was pretty fun. I was a SF and we were feeding Cousins, when the game was close, the black team brought in Hayward and ran him off of screens on either side for 3's. Good late game logic by the AI as far as fouls. I sent the game into OT by hitting 2 clutch free throws. I like the Free Throw shooting in the game as well. Turned the difficulty up to superstar and it is a legitimate skill making those. Sealed the game by getting a pick roll off a broken play. Screen was set to my right, i kept the ball in my right hand and strafed my man (who went over) then I crossed him left, and fed the rolling screen for a big jam. That mode will get a lot of play should I get Elite.

I think those that play Elite will find a lot to like, though looking past the blatant traveling that can be done (it's possible in all bball games but it can look particularly heinous at times in Elite due to gathers and rocket dunks in the demo) and the hanging that goes with the funky look of the mid-air collisions might be asking too much of gamers who haven't seen animations this rough in years (esp those who stuck around to see them get better, only to regress). For those who accept the tradeoff, there is a really nice organic feel there with a dash of anything can happen. For example, you might get an ugly no call collision from going for a long board, but at the same time another player can duck in and scoop it up for a run out. I guess it's a beautiful ugly if you can appreciate it.

The game/series has great potential but the animation quality is bad enough to give it almost a beta feel. I can't blame people for not being able (or wanting to) get past that, but there is pretty good bball game underneath that. I already know I won't be able to put any friends onto this game as a serious option until the physics animations catch up with the rest of the game. I'm very curious in what a patch can do for any of this.

[Stickz24]

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I did and I want NBA Live 10 back -- badly. SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many of us thought 10 was a really really good game that needed a few things ironed out. Instead, we've got.............. this.

Over the past couple years I turned from the 2k series to live and was really excited for this year. I haven't been on the forums for months until recently. I came on and saw they scrapped a tremendous came for a project. Ok, that sucks but let's see how it goes. After today I can officially say I'm a 2K guy again. The AI is atrocious. The announcing is embarrassing. The graphics are, well, I don't need to say it. The controls are "meh" -- and albeit an attempt to be revolutionary, what really happened is you guys shot yourself in both feet with shotguns.

Sales will dictate how bad of a move this will be. Don't think just because we're sim gamers here we don't in some way represent what casual gamers are going to say and do. The single biggest move that EA did was make the graphics aweful and casusal gamers will not stand for that. Returns and word of mouth will destroy sales. Maybe the EA hype machine can overmarket this game and trick a few, but eventually it's going to catch up.

Shame on you EA.

Wooow. I'm having trouble moving my mouse and typing after that demo.
I didn't think it would be that bad .. and I've been playing video games since Atari's ping pong.

And maybe it's cause we heard about it .. but the hockey guy messed up man. Big Time. Funny thing about basketball is that it will call you out quicky if you haven't been playing it forever. Even w guys like Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Yao .. you can tell they were more quick/catch-up studies with athletic talents than outright gifted natural basketball talents. They're different from your Mikes, Kobes, Durant's, Shaq, Garnett, Dwight etc.

Point I'm making is that if you pull someone from a hockey game to lead the strategic designs of a bball game that has evolved since 1988 ish (assymetries) .. It's not even fair to that man. He'd damn near have to be a savant to make up that gap in 1 yr. Esp when you consider .. even those dudes I mentioned up there that were good studies/late bloomers;? Most of them started playing ball around 13-15 ish. He's not going to have that intuition for the game. That "je ne se quoi" ... On paper all that control stuff makes sense ... but practically .. playing it. Nah.

Remember this EA .. first the true test of a good game is how fluid it looks to the casual observer. Then you get into those control tests ..

I honestly don't think this demo passes either. I doesn't look good. It doesn't feel good. The core logic of the game .. the science/triangles upon which basketball work are not embedded in the game (just ignore this statement if it doesn't make sense). Not a static or flawed flow .. imo - just no flow at all. A bunch of individuals with some connected animations but no synergy at alll.

Forgive me for not going into petty details about animations and stuff .. I'm one of those people that looks at the bigger picture first .. and lets the details sort themselves out .. as long it the details vehicle the project to match that bigger picture vision.

No way this way you guy's vision. No way. Not even for the 1st of a 3 leg phase.
And that's where the game fails.

Only example I can give here that fits .. w/ 2k you can see their vision in the product ... whether you agree w their perspective or not is a matter of personal opinion. With this game .. you're told what the vision is ... but it is definitely .. not present in the product.

I do hope you get your fair share of customers this year though .. Hopefully I'm full of **** with all this talking and you all smash 2k in sales.
What those lawyers always say ..? Res Ispa loquitur.

[Tha_Kid]

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after finally playing I gotta say.......Ima fan. Yea there's some weird stuff happening ie animations but the pace and feel is cool. The controls will turn the average joe off, but ima stick it out and get em down. But with the amount of control we have EASBA will be INSANE. This feature alone sells this for me plus I know EA delivers on the online aspect of things.

This is similar to how I feel, though Become Legendary would probably get more time than EASBA from me.