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  • Klocker
    MVP
    • Jul 2003
    • 3239

    #91
    Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

    OK this is after about 4 full LIVE 2004 games and some practice time.

    About my experience:
    Playing BBall games since Atari 2600.
    I have played LIVE on Sega, SNES, PS and the PC.
    the last version being in 1998.
    My favorite was LIVE '95 on Genesis.

    didn't play B Ball in '99
    Played ID 2000 on PC
    Played 2K1 DC
    Rented ID 2002 and did not warrant a purchase and only bought ID 2003 about 3 months ago (after it went cheap), I have been disappointed in BBall games lately (until ID 2003).

    This game takes some getting used to because the controls are DEEP. There are so many things to do and so many moves it is RICH.

    I am disappointed in the textures for an Xbox game. colors are bright and there is no aliasing at ALL but the textures are blurry. The player faces are 75/100 in quality and alikeness, the body types are well done and they look similar to the player they are representing.

    The ANIMATIONS are the best I've ever seen in a game PERIOD. Better than ESPN NFL only because of how smooth they combine together and how natural they make the player movements look. this game looks ALIVE. The 10 player mo-cap is that good. Players interact, they set-up, double, backpedal and move more naturally than any sports game (with 10 players or more) that I have ever seen.

    The gameplay just keeps getting better and better with each game that I play. The defense is tough and the AI is smart and reacts very well both around and off the ball.
    The number of moves makes for some sick plays. I an just scratching the surface here but it plays very real...slightly moreso than ID IMO.

    The tendencies seem pretty varied to me. The only thing missing that I can tell is the ability to adjust each individual player tendencies on the court. (which is sweet in ID).

    This game reminds me of an NBA version of NHL 2004. I like NHL 2004 because I feel its FUN. I am not a SIM guy and I'm not an arcade guy. I like the game to feel real and have fairly acurate game stats but I don't need every percentage to fall exactly in the norms all the time. I also couldn't care less about the whole Dynasty FA thing.

    If you're looking for a game that plays as well as (better IMO) than ID 2003, LIVE can give you that.

    the graphics aren't quite on par and the Drive Cam is missing (I love ID's Drive rotating cam). But the animations and feeling of PLAYING Bball are in LIVE.

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    • HMcCoy
      All Star
      • Jan 2003
      • 8212

      #92
      Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

      Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...
      Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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      • HMcCoy
        All Star
        • Jan 2003
        • 8212

        #93
        Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

        Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...
        Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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        • HMcCoy
          All Star
          • Jan 2003
          • 8212

          #94
          Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

          Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...
          Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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          • jordan0386
            Banned
            • May 2003
            • 9235

            #95
            Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            HMcCoy said:
            Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            it wont ever...remember "ea doesnt copy other developers ideas"...

            thats what their president said way back when

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            • jordan0386
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 9235

              #96
              Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              HMcCoy said:
              Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              it wont ever...remember "ea doesnt copy other developers ideas"...

              thats what their president said way back when

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              • jordan0386
                Banned
                • May 2003
                • 9235

                #97
                Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                HMcCoy said:
                Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                it wont ever...remember "ea doesnt copy other developers ideas"...

                thats what their president said way back when

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                • HMcCoy
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 8212

                  #98
                  Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  jordan0386 said:
                  </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                  HMcCoy said:
                  Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                  it wont ever...remember "ea doesnt copy other developers ideas"...

                  thats what their president said way back when

                  <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                  If thats what he said, that boy was lying his arse off, because I could list about 10 different things Live took from 2K/ID........And I'm soooo glad.
                  Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                  • HMcCoy
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8212

                    #99
                    Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    jordan0386 said:
                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                    HMcCoy said:
                    Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    it wont ever...remember "ea doesnt copy other developers ideas"...

                    thats what their president said way back when

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                    If thats what he said, that boy was lying his arse off, because I could list about 10 different things Live took from 2K/ID........And I'm soooo glad.
                    Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                    • HMcCoy
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8212

                      #100
                      Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      jordan0386 said:
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      HMcCoy said:
                      Ya, I almost forgot about the back-pedaling...Its extremely well done, they face the defender at the apprpriate times. I am amazed at the turn-around for this franchise. Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      it wont ever...remember "ea doesnt copy other developers ideas"...

                      thats what their president said way back when

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                      If thats what he said, that boy was lying his arse off, because I could list about 10 different things Live took from 2K/ID........And I'm soooo glad.
                      Hank's Custom Collectibles 3D printer/painter extraordinaire

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                      • Klocker
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 3239

                        #101
                        Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        HMcCoy said:
                        ....Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Seriously.
                        If it had those graphics...It'd be over.

                        Maybe next year they'll work on that but they definitely are doing something right.

                        It really does remind me of the fun I had with the old Sega games. Many of the newer generations just never seemed to get the FEEL right, even with all the bells and whistles and pretty graphics.

                        And I am a first class graphics HO but I'm still keeping LIVE.

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                        • Klocker
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 3239

                          #102
                          Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          HMcCoy said:
                          ....Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Seriously.
                          If it had those graphics...It'd be over.

                          Maybe next year they'll work on that but they definitely are doing something right.

                          It really does remind me of the fun I had with the old Sega games. Many of the newer generations just never seemed to get the FEEL right, even with all the bells and whistles and pretty graphics.

                          And I am a first class graphics HO but I'm still keeping LIVE.

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                          • Klocker
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 3239

                            #103
                            Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            HMcCoy said:
                            ....Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Seriously.
                            If it had those graphics...It'd be over.

                            Maybe next year they'll work on that but they definitely are doing something right.

                            It really does remind me of the fun I had with the old Sega games. Many of the newer generations just never seemed to get the FEEL right, even with all the bells and whistles and pretty graphics.

                            And I am a first class graphics HO but I'm still keeping LIVE.

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                            • Vast
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 4015

                              #104
                              Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Klocker2 said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              HMcCoy said:
                              ....Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Seriously.
                              If it had those graphics...It'd be over.

                              Maybe next year they'll work on that but they definitely are doing something right.

                              It really does remind me of the fun I had with the old Sega games. Many of the newer generations just never seemed to get the FEEL right, even with all the bells and whistles and pretty graphics.

                              And I am a first class graphics HO but I'm still keeping LIVE.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">I dont think the guy should buy this game. I bought it cuz i couldnt wait to rent it on the 17th. Plus i knew if i didn't like it i could return it.

                              after playing it the game is pretty good. but.... I know there will be better simulations. key word is SIMULATION live even with the defensive boost. still plays with an arcade feel. Dunks happen in a blink of an eye, on one on one situations its virtually impossible to break your man (freestyle is useless unless on a fastbreak). Prohop is virtually unstopable. I had 5 blocks with allan houston.

                              Double teaming is a great concept but causes a steal 70 percent of the time.

                              I can keep going with this man. im returning live tomorrow. Rent it first. or just go buy ESPN. its been rated #31 on the 50 greatest list of all time by GAME INFORMER magazine. LIve is nowhere to be seen on that list.
                              "I'm addicted to Video Games, and i chase it with a little OS." -Winston Churchill

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                              • Vast
                                MVP
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 4015

                                #105
                                Re: Any Inside drive 2003 guyz play live 04 yet?

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Klocker2 said:
                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                HMcCoy said:
                                ....Honestly, if Live had the graphic and presentation polish of 2K...

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Seriously.
                                If it had those graphics...It'd be over.

                                Maybe next year they'll work on that but they definitely are doing something right.

                                It really does remind me of the fun I had with the old Sega games. Many of the newer generations just never seemed to get the FEEL right, even with all the bells and whistles and pretty graphics.

                                And I am a first class graphics HO but I'm still keeping LIVE.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">I dont think the guy should buy this game. I bought it cuz i couldnt wait to rent it on the 17th. Plus i knew if i didn't like it i could return it.

                                after playing it the game is pretty good. but.... I know there will be better simulations. key word is SIMULATION live even with the defensive boost. still plays with an arcade feel. Dunks happen in a blink of an eye, on one on one situations its virtually impossible to break your man (freestyle is useless unless on a fastbreak). Prohop is virtually unstopable. I had 5 blocks with allan houston.

                                Double teaming is a great concept but causes a steal 70 percent of the time.

                                I can keep going with this man. im returning live tomorrow. Rent it first. or just go buy ESPN. its been rated #31 on the 50 greatest list of all time by GAME INFORMER magazine. LIve is nowhere to be seen on that list.
                                "I'm addicted to Video Games, and i chase it with a little OS." -Winston Churchill

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