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  • margan
    Rookie
    • Feb 2003
    • 303

    #31
    Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

    ESPN might deliver the better framerate but I want to see how it looks compared to the 10 Man Mo-Cap that Live has. In 2K3 most of the guys just stood around and if a game doesn't have to display 10 different animations at once, it's going to have a better framerate. It does seem that EA is trying to drain as much as it can from an outdated engine. And of course coding it to run on slow PS2 hardware and not optimizing it for newer consoles contributes also.

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    • Admiral50
      Banned
      • Aug 2002
      • 3311

      #32
      Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

      Hey I was only replying to what you said about how we shouldn't expect perfect frame rates in console games. I said another bball game looks much better and can keep a solid 60fps at the same time, so yes I DO expect perfect frame rates in a bball game now...

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      • Admiral50
        Banned
        • Aug 2002
        • 3311

        #33
        Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

        Hey I was only replying to what you said about how we shouldn't expect perfect frame rates in console games. I said another bball game looks much better and can keep a solid 60fps at the same time, so yes I DO expect perfect frame rates in a bball game now...

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        • Admiral50
          Banned
          • Aug 2002
          • 3311

          #34
          Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

          Hey I was only replying to what you said about how we shouldn't expect perfect frame rates in console games. I said another bball game looks much better and can keep a solid 60fps at the same time, so yes I DO expect perfect frame rates in a bball game now...

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          • Da_Czar
            NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
            • Jul 2002
            • 5408

            #35
            Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

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            Aragorn523 said:
            Im not saying ESPN wont have its down falls, what im asking for is the features that are promised work and things that are basic like a decent framerate are included. I live with a smaller selcetion of shoes, or a few dunks or passes i dont like here and there. Dont get me wrong i think live has made strides and maybe thats the biggest problem. For what Live could have been it has fallen very short. The defense is very nice, the 10 man Free style nice. But whe the 10 man free style is so jumpy. Its not that this happens 2 or 3 times the whole game. It happens over and over. All games are gonna have some slowdowns i know, but the extent is horrible.And ive simmed about 3 or 4 seasons and done extensive research trying to get around the dynasty bug. Simply put the effort its takes to make it somewhat realistic i feel like EA should be paying me. AI changed team 3 times in 3 years. Ray allen 2 times in 3 years and ended up with the bulls with jalen on the bench. They had no need for him but just signed him. Those things, a few game platform generations ago id accept. But for 50.00 a pop with no return polices and a promised greatly enchanced franchise,I just wont The past 3 years blindly my friends and i have bought live no questions asked. Well this year live lost alot of friends.

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            can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.
            Catch me on that #SimNation #SimHangOut Friday's @ 10:00 pm est https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...N7yxMiElOpMl_B

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            • Da_Czar
              NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
              • Jul 2002
              • 5408

              #36
              Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              Aragorn523 said:
              Im not saying ESPN wont have its down falls, what im asking for is the features that are promised work and things that are basic like a decent framerate are included. I live with a smaller selcetion of shoes, or a few dunks or passes i dont like here and there. Dont get me wrong i think live has made strides and maybe thats the biggest problem. For what Live could have been it has fallen very short. The defense is very nice, the 10 man Free style nice. But whe the 10 man free style is so jumpy. Its not that this happens 2 or 3 times the whole game. It happens over and over. All games are gonna have some slowdowns i know, but the extent is horrible.And ive simmed about 3 or 4 seasons and done extensive research trying to get around the dynasty bug. Simply put the effort its takes to make it somewhat realistic i feel like EA should be paying me. AI changed team 3 times in 3 years. Ray allen 2 times in 3 years and ended up with the bulls with jalen on the bench. They had no need for him but just signed him. Those things, a few game platform generations ago id accept. But for 50.00 a pop with no return polices and a promised greatly enchanced franchise,I just wont The past 3 years blindly my friends and i have bought live no questions asked. Well this year live lost alot of friends.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.
              Catch me on that #SimNation #SimHangOut Friday's @ 10:00 pm est https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...N7yxMiElOpMl_B

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              • Da_Czar
                NBA 2K Gameplay Producer, Offensive AI System - SIM NATION
                • Jul 2002
                • 5408

                #37
                Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                Aragorn523 said:
                Im not saying ESPN wont have its down falls, what im asking for is the features that are promised work and things that are basic like a decent framerate are included. I live with a smaller selcetion of shoes, or a few dunks or passes i dont like here and there. Dont get me wrong i think live has made strides and maybe thats the biggest problem. For what Live could have been it has fallen very short. The defense is very nice, the 10 man Free style nice. But whe the 10 man free style is so jumpy. Its not that this happens 2 or 3 times the whole game. It happens over and over. All games are gonna have some slowdowns i know, but the extent is horrible.And ive simmed about 3 or 4 seasons and done extensive research trying to get around the dynasty bug. Simply put the effort its takes to make it somewhat realistic i feel like EA should be paying me. AI changed team 3 times in 3 years. Ray allen 2 times in 3 years and ended up with the bulls with jalen on the bench. They had no need for him but just signed him. Those things, a few game platform generations ago id accept. But for 50.00 a pop with no return polices and a promised greatly enchanced franchise,I just wont The past 3 years blindly my friends and i have bought live no questions asked. Well this year live lost alot of friends.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.
                Catch me on that #SimNation #SimHangOut Friday's @ 10:00 pm est https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...N7yxMiElOpMl_B

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                • Cardot
                  I'm not on InstantFace.
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 6164

                  #38
                  Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

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                  samuel40 said:
                  can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.

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                  Sam, I think that your posts would be more readable it you would have the opportunity to take the chance to avoid writing run-on sentences which can be difficult to follow for the majority of readers that may not be accustomed to reading such lengthy sentences that are in such dire need of a period which would then allow us to address the need for capitilization of certain words that would also make reading your posts more convenient and assist in conveying the intent of your message that will in turn stimulate even more substantial dialog beneficial to us all.

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                  • Cardot
                    I'm not on InstantFace.
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 6164

                    #39
                    Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                    </font><blockquote><font class="small">Respondendo a:</font><hr />
                    samuel40 said:
                    can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                    Sam, I think that your posts would be more readable it you would have the opportunity to take the chance to avoid writing run-on sentences which can be difficult to follow for the majority of readers that may not be accustomed to reading such lengthy sentences that are in such dire need of a period which would then allow us to address the need for capitilization of certain words that would also make reading your posts more convenient and assist in conveying the intent of your message that will in turn stimulate even more substantial dialog beneficial to us all.

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                    • Cardot
                      I'm not on InstantFace.
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6164

                      #40
                      Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Respondendo a:</font><hr />
                      samuel40 said:
                      can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                      Sam, I think that your posts would be more readable it you would have the opportunity to take the chance to avoid writing run-on sentences which can be difficult to follow for the majority of readers that may not be accustomed to reading such lengthy sentences that are in such dire need of a period which would then allow us to address the need for capitilization of certain words that would also make reading your posts more convenient and assist in conveying the intent of your message that will in turn stimulate even more substantial dialog beneficial to us all.

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                      • Graphik
                        Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 10582

                        #41
                        Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

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                        Cardot said:
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                        samuel40 said:
                        can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Sam, I think that your posts would be more readable it you would have the opportunity to take the chance to avoid writing run-on sentences which can be difficult to follow for the majority of readers that may not be accustomed to reading such lengthy sentences that are in such dire need of a period which would then allow us to address the need for capitilization of certain words that would also make reading your posts more convenient and assist in conveying the intent of your message that will in turn stimulate even more substantial dialog beneficial to us all.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                        http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                        • Graphik
                          Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 10582

                          #42
                          Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          Cardot said:
                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          samuel40 said:
                          can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Sam, I think that your posts would be more readable it you would have the opportunity to take the chance to avoid writing run-on sentences which can be difficult to follow for the majority of readers that may not be accustomed to reading such lengthy sentences that are in such dire need of a period which would then allow us to address the need for capitilization of certain words that would also make reading your posts more convenient and assist in conveying the intent of your message that will in turn stimulate even more substantial dialog beneficial to us all.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                          http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                          • Graphik
                            Pr*s*n*r#70460649
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 10582

                            #43
                            Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            Cardot said:
                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            samuel40 said:
                            can't argue with you logic, i hope espn is a great game for you. i love their arena's i just wish they had a wider selection of plays and that they didn't have that defensive force field, but if both of those are fixed should be a good game, but i have a home with live for now.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Sam, I think that your posts would be more readable it you would have the opportunity to take the chance to avoid writing run-on sentences which can be difficult to follow for the majority of readers that may not be accustomed to reading such lengthy sentences that are in such dire need of a period which would then allow us to address the need for capitilization of certain words that would also make reading your posts more convenient and assist in conveying the intent of your message that will in turn stimulate even more substantial dialog beneficial to us all.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                            http://neverfollow.biz (Independent Music Group)

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                            • SKINSFAN0303
                              Rookie
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 229

                              #44
                              Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                              everyone has an opinion and they should some folks like live some prefer the 2k/espn series/some like inside drive to each his own personally i like the game but yes it has flaws..come to think of it so has every game I have ever played although Halo is pretty close to perfection but seriously.. i think it's ok to voice like love or disappointment my bottom line is it better then last years yes it is by a mile so i think it's $50 well spent and I may like espn better time will tell but i for one like the fact that different people feel how they feel about the game we have the right to disagree with some one but on here some people get attacked for saying the game sucks or they don't like the frame rate etc people are just expressing what they feel my advice to anyone on the fence as to weather or not to get this game rent or buy it for yourself and make your own decison don't base it on anyone else because at the end of the day it's your $50

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                              • SKINSFAN0303
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 229

                                #45
                                Re: Whys everyone taking such offense

                                everyone has an opinion and they should some folks like live some prefer the 2k/espn series/some like inside drive to each his own personally i like the game but yes it has flaws..come to think of it so has every game I have ever played although Halo is pretty close to perfection but seriously.. i think it's ok to voice like love or disappointment my bottom line is it better then last years yes it is by a mile so i think it's $50 well spent and I may like espn better time will tell but i for one like the fact that different people feel how they feel about the game we have the right to disagree with some one but on here some people get attacked for saying the game sucks or they don't like the frame rate etc people are just expressing what they feel my advice to anyone on the fence as to weather or not to get this game rent or buy it for yourself and make your own decison don't base it on anyone else because at the end of the day it's your $50

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