So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

**MVPlaya** · 10-21-2003, 11:22 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

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WTF. I'm glad there's no pro hop button cuz it's an abusive feature and besides ESPN already has a hop-step so who gives a sh_t. As for separate shot buttons, there's no point. If your deep in the paint you layup/dunk anyway in ESPN, no jumpshot 2 feet away from the rim anymore. It's just a waste of a button that could have a different command. Sound only bad in announcer area and I applaud Live cuz Marv is one of the best. He'd be better announcing in ESPN though.

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damn you sound like a little *****...

you wouldn't have a button for shoot and dunk.lay-up?

this gives you more control on what you wanna do and WHERE you are at.

more control is always better...

**MVPlaya** · 10-21-2003, 11:22 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

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Kanobi said:
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ps2king said:
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Kanobi said:
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ps2king said:
Well This Quote Speaks Volumes

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When it comes to gameplay, though, there are a few things that were featured in NBA Live 2004 that could've made ESPN's gameplay run even smoother. The first is the separation of the shoot and dunk buttons. Playing Live and then moving on to ESPN, you really miss calling your own shots, or dunks if you will, as anytime you are given more control, that is a good thing. The second gameplay addition only featured in Live is the use of the pro hop button. In ESPN, there are pro hops, but as we mentioned, these are more of contextual animations rather than anything you are controlling. The pro hop button in Live helps ball handlers split defenders and create separation on the way to the hoop, and combined with IsoMotion, could've been a deadly gameplay weapon. Oh well, there's always next year.

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http://ps2.ign.com/articles/455/455904p1.html

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you forgot this part..

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In terms of other gameplay features, ESPN features the ability to adjust your lineups before the game, scramble starters, and even participate in a fantasy ESPN-style draft, just like you've seen in other games like ESPN NFL Football and ESPN NHL Hockey. The game is online for both systems, although the PS2 online experience is by far the better of the two as it features leagues similar once again to ESPN NFL Football. In addition, Franchise mode has also been improved by enabling you to hire scouts, assistant coached and trainers to help your squad, and this year the computer teams will even offer you trades. It's about time. We just wish they would've included in-game highlights of other games going on during your season like they did in ESPN NFL Football.

But even without that, the game is so deep that even if playing in as your favorite NBA team was all there was to the game,...ESPN NBA Basketball would still be worth buying, as it's the best 5-on-5 NBA experience money can buy. But that's where the folks at Visual Concepts kept running, and in doing so, beat all of their competitors down the court for the slam dunk.

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Kanobi you may not know me but I know you

Back to your old ways I see

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Well the thing is that if you're gonna mention the 2 things the author mentioned that you feel were better in Live...you should have noted the other part where the author goes on to say how OVERALL espn's gameplay is the best and also includes the other options available. Thats all I was saying, man. I understand where you're coming from. People are always saying how much better espn is I can see how NBA Live fans are fed up with that. Thats why you pulled that quote out of the review in hopes of somewhat extinguishing all the "ESPN's GAMPLAY RULES!" remarks...but you left out the part where the author basically said the same thing....espn's gameplay is tops. Thats why I posted it.

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do you follow basketball kanobi?

**MVPlaya** · 10-21-2003, 11:22 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
Well This Quote Speaks Volumes

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When it comes to gameplay, though, there are a few things that were featured in NBA Live 2004 that could've made ESPN's gameplay run even smoother. The first is the separation of the shoot and dunk buttons. Playing Live and then moving on to ESPN, you really miss calling your own shots, or dunks if you will, as anytime you are given more control, that is a good thing. The second gameplay addition only featured in Live is the use of the pro hop button. In ESPN, there are pro hops, but as we mentioned, these are more of contextual animations rather than anything you are controlling. The pro hop button in Live helps ball handlers split defenders and create separation on the way to the hoop, and combined with IsoMotion, could've been a deadly gameplay weapon. Oh well, there's always next year.

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http://ps2.ign.com/articles/455/455904p1.html

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you forgot this part..

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In terms of other gameplay features, ESPN features the ability to adjust your lineups before the game, scramble starters, and even participate in a fantasy ESPN-style draft, just like you've seen in other games like ESPN NFL Football and ESPN NHL Hockey. The game is online for both systems, although the PS2 online experience is by far the better of the two as it features leagues similar once again to ESPN NFL Football. In addition, Franchise mode has also been improved by enabling you to hire scouts, assistant coached and trainers to help your squad, and this year the computer teams will even offer you trades. It's about time. We just wish they would've included in-game highlights of other games going on during your season like they did in ESPN NFL Football.

But even without that, the game is so deep that even if playing in as your favorite NBA team was all there was to the game,...ESPN NBA Basketball would still be worth buying, as it's the best 5-on-5 NBA experience money can buy. But that's where the folks at Visual Concepts kept running, and in doing so, beat all of their competitors down the court for the slam dunk.

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Kanobi you may not know me but I know you

Back to your old ways I see

<hr /></blockquote>

Well the thing is that if you're gonna mention the 2 things the author mentioned that you feel were better in Live...you should have noted the other part where the author goes on to say how OVERALL espn's gameplay is the best and also includes the other options available. Thats all I was saying, man. I understand where you're coming from. People are always saying how much better espn is I can see how NBA Live fans are fed up with that. Thats why you pulled that quote out of the review in hopes of somewhat extinguishing all the "ESPN's GAMPLAY RULES!" remarks...but you left out the part where the author basically said the same thing....espn's gameplay is tops. Thats why I posted it.

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do you follow basketball kanobi?

**MVPlaya** · 10-21-2003, 11:22 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
Well This Quote Speaks Volumes

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When it comes to gameplay, though, there are a few things that were featured in NBA Live 2004 that could've made ESPN's gameplay run even smoother. The first is the separation of the shoot and dunk buttons. Playing Live and then moving on to ESPN, you really miss calling your own shots, or dunks if you will, as anytime you are given more control, that is a good thing. The second gameplay addition only featured in Live is the use of the pro hop button. In ESPN, there are pro hops, but as we mentioned, these are more of contextual animations rather than anything you are controlling. The pro hop button in Live helps ball handlers split defenders and create separation on the way to the hoop, and combined with IsoMotion, could've been a deadly gameplay weapon. Oh well, there's always next year.

<hr /></blockquote>

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/455/455904p1.html

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you forgot this part..

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

In terms of other gameplay features, ESPN features the ability to adjust your lineups before the game, scramble starters, and even participate in a fantasy ESPN-style draft, just like you've seen in other games like ESPN NFL Football and ESPN NHL Hockey. The game is online for both systems, although the PS2 online experience is by far the better of the two as it features leagues similar once again to ESPN NFL Football. In addition, Franchise mode has also been improved by enabling you to hire scouts, assistant coached and trainers to help your squad, and this year the computer teams will even offer you trades. It's about time. We just wish they would've included in-game highlights of other games going on during your season like they did in ESPN NFL Football.

But even without that, the game is so deep that even if playing in as your favorite NBA team was all there was to the game,...ESPN NBA Basketball would still be worth buying, as it's the best 5-on-5 NBA experience money can buy. But that's where the folks at Visual Concepts kept running, and in doing so, beat all of their competitors down the court for the slam dunk.

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Kanobi you may not know me but I know you

Back to your old ways I see

<hr /></blockquote>

Well the thing is that if you're gonna mention the 2 things the author mentioned that you feel were better in Live...you should have noted the other part where the author goes on to say how OVERALL espn's gameplay is the best and also includes the other options available. Thats all I was saying, man. I understand where you're coming from. People are always saying how much better espn is I can see how NBA Live fans are fed up with that. Thats why you pulled that quote out of the review in hopes of somewhat extinguishing all the "ESPN's GAMPLAY RULES!" remarks...but you left out the part where the author basically said the same thing....espn's gameplay is tops. Thats why I posted it.

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do you follow basketball kanobi?

**taylor34** · 10-21-2003, 11:53 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

ps2king = WolverineManiac over on Maddenmania, Kanobi. That's my only input into this argument--I haven't played either game so there's no way I could make an intelligent post regarding gameplay. Although the fact that ps2king linked to an IGN review site and then later said that they were terrible reviewers is priceless.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 10-21-2003, 11:53 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

ps2king = WolverineManiac over on Maddenmania, Kanobi. That's my only input into this argument--I haven't played either game so there's no way I could make an intelligent post regarding gameplay. Although the fact that ps2king linked to an IGN review site and then later said that they were terrible reviewers is priceless.

Taylor34

**taylor34** · 10-21-2003, 11:53 PM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

ps2king = WolverineManiac over on Maddenmania, Kanobi. That's my only input into this argument--I haven't played either game so there's no way I could make an intelligent post regarding gameplay. Although the fact that ps2king linked to an IGN review site and then later said that they were terrible reviewers is priceless.

Taylor34

**HMcCoy** · 10-22-2003, 12:46 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
Well This Quote Speaks Volumes

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
When it comes to gameplay, though, there are a few things that were featured in NBA Live 2004 that could've made ESPN's gameplay run even smoother. The first is the separation of the shoot and dunk buttons. Playing Live and then moving on to ESPN, you really miss calling your own shots, or dunks if you will, as anytime you are given more control, that is a good thing. The second gameplay addition only featured in Live is the use of the pro hop button. In ESPN, there are pro hops, but as we mentioned, these are more of contextual animations rather than anything you are controlling. The pro hop button in Live helps ball handlers split defenders and create separation on the way to the hoop, and combined with IsoMotion, could've been a deadly gameplay weapon. Oh well, there's always next year.

<hr /></blockquote>

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/455/455904p1.html

<hr /></blockquote>

you forgot this part..

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

In terms of other gameplay features, ESPN features the ability to adjust your lineups before the game, scramble starters, and even participate in a fantasy ESPN-style draft, just like you've seen in other games like ESPN NFL Football and ESPN NHL Hockey. The game is online for both systems, although the PS2 online experience is by far the better of the two as it features leagues similar once again to ESPN NFL Football. In addition, Franchise mode has also been improved by enabling you to hire scouts, assistant coached and trainers to help your squad, and this year the computer teams will even offer you trades. It's about time. We just wish they would've included in-game highlights of other games going on during your season like they did in ESPN NFL Football.

But even without that, the game is so deep that even if playing in as your favorite NBA team was all there was to the game,...ESPN NBA Basketball would still be worth buying, as it's the best 5-on-5 NBA experience money can buy. But that's where the folks at Visual Concepts kept running, and in doing so, beat all of their competitors down the court for the slam dunk.

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Kanobi you may not know me but I know you

Back to your old ways I see

<hr /></blockquote>

Well the thing is that if you're gonna mention the 2 things the author mentioned that you feel were better in Live...you should have noted the other part where the author goes on to say how OVERALL espn's gameplay is the best and also includes the other options available. Thats all I was saying, man. I understand where you're coming from. People are always saying how much better espn is I can see how NBA Live fans are fed up with that. Thats why you pulled that quote out of the review in hopes of somewhat extinguishing all the "ESPN's GAMPLAY RULES!" remarks...but you left out the part where the author basically said the same thing....espn's gameplay is tops. Thats why I posted it.

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Gameplay and Gameplay Features are distictly different things. He did not say one word about the ON THE FLOOR GAMEPLAY. And while I agree with almost all you post about NFL2K4, it amazes me how quickly you buy into the Madden-esque "Well its the best cause everybody likes it" rhethoric when it fits.....The truth is Live is excellent, and no more flawed than our beloved ESPN NFL.

**HMcCoy** · 10-22-2003, 12:46 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
Well This Quote Speaks Volumes

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
When it comes to gameplay, though, there are a few things that were featured in NBA Live 2004 that could've made ESPN's gameplay run even smoother. The first is the separation of the shoot and dunk buttons. Playing Live and then moving on to ESPN, you really miss calling your own shots, or dunks if you will, as anytime you are given more control, that is a good thing. The second gameplay addition only featured in Live is the use of the pro hop button. In ESPN, there are pro hops, but as we mentioned, these are more of contextual animations rather than anything you are controlling. The pro hop button in Live helps ball handlers split defenders and create separation on the way to the hoop, and combined with IsoMotion, could've been a deadly gameplay weapon. Oh well, there's always next year.

<hr /></blockquote>

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/455/455904p1.html

<hr /></blockquote>

you forgot this part..

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

In terms of other gameplay features, ESPN features the ability to adjust your lineups before the game, scramble starters, and even participate in a fantasy ESPN-style draft, just like you've seen in other games like ESPN NFL Football and ESPN NHL Hockey. The game is online for both systems, although the PS2 online experience is by far the better of the two as it features leagues similar once again to ESPN NFL Football. In addition, Franchise mode has also been improved by enabling you to hire scouts, assistant coached and trainers to help your squad, and this year the computer teams will even offer you trades. It's about time. We just wish they would've included in-game highlights of other games going on during your season like they did in ESPN NFL Football.

But even without that, the game is so deep that even if playing in as your favorite NBA team was all there was to the game,...ESPN NBA Basketball would still be worth buying, as it's the best 5-on-5 NBA experience money can buy. But that's where the folks at Visual Concepts kept running, and in doing so, beat all of their competitors down the court for the slam dunk.

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Kanobi you may not know me but I know you

Back to your old ways I see

<hr /></blockquote>

Well the thing is that if you're gonna mention the 2 things the author mentioned that you feel were better in Live...you should have noted the other part where the author goes on to say how OVERALL espn's gameplay is the best and also includes the other options available. Thats all I was saying, man. I understand where you're coming from. People are always saying how much better espn is I can see how NBA Live fans are fed up with that. Thats why you pulled that quote out of the review in hopes of somewhat extinguishing all the "ESPN's GAMPLAY RULES!" remarks...but you left out the part where the author basically said the same thing....espn's gameplay is tops. Thats why I posted it.

<hr /></blockquote>

Gameplay and Gameplay Features are distictly different things. He did not say one word about the ON THE FLOOR GAMEPLAY. And while I agree with almost all you post about NFL2K4, it amazes me how quickly you buy into the Madden-esque "Well its the best cause everybody likes it" rhethoric when it fits.....The truth is Live is excellent, and no more flawed than our beloved ESPN NFL.

**HMcCoy** · 10-22-2003, 12:46 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Kanobi said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
ps2king said:
Well This Quote Speaks Volumes

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
When it comes to gameplay, though, there are a few things that were featured in NBA Live 2004 that could've made ESPN's gameplay run even smoother. The first is the separation of the shoot and dunk buttons. Playing Live and then moving on to ESPN, you really miss calling your own shots, or dunks if you will, as anytime you are given more control, that is a good thing. The second gameplay addition only featured in Live is the use of the pro hop button. In ESPN, there are pro hops, but as we mentioned, these are more of contextual animations rather than anything you are controlling. The pro hop button in Live helps ball handlers split defenders and create separation on the way to the hoop, and combined with IsoMotion, could've been a deadly gameplay weapon. Oh well, there's always next year.

<hr /></blockquote>

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/455/455904p1.html

<hr /></blockquote>

you forgot this part..

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />

In terms of other gameplay features, ESPN features the ability to adjust your lineups before the game, scramble starters, and even participate in a fantasy ESPN-style draft, just like you've seen in other games like ESPN NFL Football and ESPN NHL Hockey. The game is online for both systems, although the PS2 online experience is by far the better of the two as it features leagues similar once again to ESPN NFL Football. In addition, Franchise mode has also been improved by enabling you to hire scouts, assistant coached and trainers to help your squad, and this year the computer teams will even offer you trades. It's about time. We just wish they would've included in-game highlights of other games going on during your season like they did in ESPN NFL Football.

But even without that, the game is so deep that even if playing in as your favorite NBA team was all there was to the game,...ESPN NBA Basketball would still be worth buying, as it's the best 5-on-5 NBA experience money can buy. But that's where the folks at Visual Concepts kept running, and in doing so, beat all of their competitors down the court for the slam dunk.

<hr /></blockquote>

<hr /></blockquote>

Kanobi you may not know me but I know you

Back to your old ways I see

<hr /></blockquote>

Well the thing is that if you're gonna mention the 2 things the author mentioned that you feel were better in Live...you should have noted the other part where the author goes on to say how OVERALL espn's gameplay is the best and also includes the other options available. Thats all I was saying, man. I understand where you're coming from. People are always saying how much better espn is I can see how NBA Live fans are fed up with that. Thats why you pulled that quote out of the review in hopes of somewhat extinguishing all the "ESPN's GAMPLAY RULES!" remarks...but you left out the part where the author basically said the same thing....espn's gameplay is tops. Thats why I posted it.

<hr /></blockquote>

Gameplay and Gameplay Features are distictly different things. He did not say one word about the ON THE FLOOR GAMEPLAY. And while I agree with almost all you post about NFL2K4, it amazes me how quickly you buy into the Madden-esque "Well its the best cause everybody likes it" rhethoric when it fits.....The truth is Live is excellent, and no more flawed than our beloved ESPN NFL.

**HMcCoy** · 10-22-2003, 12:49 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CLASSIFIED said:
WTF. I'm glad there's no pro hop button cuz it's an abusive feature and besides ESPN already has a hop-step so who gives a sh_t. As for separate shot buttons, there's no point. If your deep in the paint you layup/dunk anyway in ESPN, no jumpshot 2 feet away from the rim anymore. It's just a waste of a button that could have a different command. Sound only bad in announcer area and I applaud Live cuz Marv is one of the best. He'd be better announcing in ESPN though.

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If you are on D, and someone pro-hops...The charge button cancels the animation in it's tracks. It's far from abusive.

**HMcCoy** · 10-22-2003, 12:49 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CLASSIFIED said:
WTF. I'm glad there's no pro hop button cuz it's an abusive feature and besides ESPN already has a hop-step so who gives a sh_t. As for separate shot buttons, there's no point. If your deep in the paint you layup/dunk anyway in ESPN, no jumpshot 2 feet away from the rim anymore. It's just a waste of a button that could have a different command. Sound only bad in announcer area and I applaud Live cuz Marv is one of the best. He'd be better announcing in ESPN though.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you are on D, and someone pro-hops...The charge button cancels the animation in it's tracks. It's far from abusive.

**HMcCoy** · 10-22-2003, 12:49 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
CLASSIFIED said:
WTF. I'm glad there's no pro hop button cuz it's an abusive feature and besides ESPN already has a hop-step so who gives a sh_t. As for separate shot buttons, there's no point. If your deep in the paint you layup/dunk anyway in ESPN, no jumpshot 2 feet away from the rim anymore. It's just a waste of a button that could have a different command. Sound only bad in announcer area and I applaud Live cuz Marv is one of the best. He'd be better announcing in ESPN though.

<hr /></blockquote>

If you are on D, and someone pro-hops...The charge button cancels the animation in it's tracks. It's far from abusive.

**efx1138** · 10-22-2003, 12:52 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

I agree. Maybe it's my slider settings but I can't just pro-hop to the basket in every possesion. For really good players it will work well but quite often the CPU will draw a charge on me or alter my shot for a miss. I definately don't find it abusive.

**efx1138** · 10-22-2003, 12:52 AM

Re: So You Say Gameplay Is What Really Matters,.........

I agree. Maybe it's my slider settings but I can't just pro-hop to the basket in every possesion. For really good players it will work well but quite often the CPU will draw a charge on me or alter my shot for a miss. I definately don't find it abusive.

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