Comeback Logic...

**DP_G_Unit** · 10-31-2003, 04:07 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

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txaggie04ci said:
And if anyone is consistently getting up by large leads in their games and almost EVERY time the CPU is making incredible comebacks to beat them, I would have to question a bit how smart they are playing once they get the big lead.

I really believe that if you get up by 10-15 or more and start playing smart ball control and winding down the clock, the CPU in most of those games will NOT be able to comeback and beat you.

Its when people do what I mentioned in the previous post and start playing carelessly (or more carelessly than when the game was close) once they get a large lead that most of these comebacks by the CPU occur.

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very truee

**jjoe** · 10-31-2003, 05:54 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

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txaggie04ci said:
Yep, as I said in the middle of that post.......one of my 6 losses was a blowout loss to the Kings. I was NEVER in the game and was never able to even GET close to them, no matter how long the game went on.

Was down like 8 after 1 quarter and ended up losing by 25 or so. Another of those losses was a loss to the Rockets where I ended up losing by about 15 or so. Was never in that game either. In fact, I believe that I was only down 6-7 or so going into the 4th in that game and they just shut the door on me after that.

I know you've seen complaints about some sort of "comeback logic" on Live, but let me just offer my opinion on why some people are insisting they see it...(and for those that do, I'm just taking a stab here and not criticizing you)

WHen people get up in a game, especially a game like Live....they often loosen up a bit and start playing a bit more sloppily or hurriedly. Maybe they make that daring pass that they wouldn't have made early in the game or when its a close contest. Or maybe they take that 3 when they aren't really that open because...."Hey! I've got a 10 point lead. Why not?!"

And then before they know it, the computer has comeback on them. Is it really a fault in the AI of the game....or is it really the AI cheating to get back in it? I just don't think so because my 20 games or so I've played proves completely otherwise.

And when the CPU does start making a run on me, even late in some of my games, I usually can tell that I've been playing a bit sloppy and not really focusing.

Anyone agree with my view on this at all??

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I'm talking about where YOU blow out the CPU, not where they blow you out.

**jjoe** · 10-31-2003, 05:54 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

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txaggie04ci said:
Yep, as I said in the middle of that post.......one of my 6 losses was a blowout loss to the Kings. I was NEVER in the game and was never able to even GET close to them, no matter how long the game went on.

Was down like 8 after 1 quarter and ended up losing by 25 or so. Another of those losses was a loss to the Rockets where I ended up losing by about 15 or so. Was never in that game either. In fact, I believe that I was only down 6-7 or so going into the 4th in that game and they just shut the door on me after that.

I know you've seen complaints about some sort of "comeback logic" on Live, but let me just offer my opinion on why some people are insisting they see it...(and for those that do, I'm just taking a stab here and not criticizing you)

WHen people get up in a game, especially a game like Live....they often loosen up a bit and start playing a bit more sloppily or hurriedly. Maybe they make that daring pass that they wouldn't have made early in the game or when its a close contest. Or maybe they take that 3 when they aren't really that open because...."Hey! I've got a 10 point lead. Why not?!"

And then before they know it, the computer has comeback on them. Is it really a fault in the AI of the game....or is it really the AI cheating to get back in it? I just don't think so because my 20 games or so I've played proves completely otherwise.

And when the CPU does start making a run on me, even late in some of my games, I usually can tell that I've been playing a bit sloppy and not really focusing.

Anyone agree with my view on this at all??

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I'm talking about where YOU blow out the CPU, not where they blow you out.

**jjoe** · 10-31-2003, 05:54 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

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txaggie04ci said:
Yep, as I said in the middle of that post.......one of my 6 losses was a blowout loss to the Kings. I was NEVER in the game and was never able to even GET close to them, no matter how long the game went on.

Was down like 8 after 1 quarter and ended up losing by 25 or so. Another of those losses was a loss to the Rockets where I ended up losing by about 15 or so. Was never in that game either. In fact, I believe that I was only down 6-7 or so going into the 4th in that game and they just shut the door on me after that.

I know you've seen complaints about some sort of "comeback logic" on Live, but let me just offer my opinion on why some people are insisting they see it...(and for those that do, I'm just taking a stab here and not criticizing you)

WHen people get up in a game, especially a game like Live....they often loosen up a bit and start playing a bit more sloppily or hurriedly. Maybe they make that daring pass that they wouldn't have made early in the game or when its a close contest. Or maybe they take that 3 when they aren't really that open because...."Hey! I've got a 10 point lead. Why not?!"

And then before they know it, the computer has comeback on them. Is it really a fault in the AI of the game....or is it really the AI cheating to get back in it? I just don't think so because my 20 games or so I've played proves completely otherwise.

And when the CPU does start making a run on me, even late in some of my games, I usually can tell that I've been playing a bit sloppy and not really focusing.

Anyone agree with my view on this at all??

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I'm talking about where YOU blow out the CPU, not where they blow you out.

**howinthe** · 10-31-2003, 07:39 PM

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jjoe said:
I'm talking about where YOU blow out the CPU, not where they blow you out.

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I have. I've beaten teams by 10 - 20 points with the Kings and Rockets.

**howinthe** · 10-31-2003, 07:39 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

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jjoe said:
I'm talking about where YOU blow out the CPU, not where they blow you out.

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I have. I've beaten teams by 10 - 20 points with the Kings and Rockets.

**howinthe** · 10-31-2003, 07:39 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

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jjoe said:
I'm talking about where YOU blow out the CPU, not where they blow you out.

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I have. I've beaten teams by 10 - 20 points with the Kings and Rockets.

**Pronk** · 10-31-2003, 08:28 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

I just blew out the cpu by 21 pts.. I led by as much as 32 pts at one point.. The game was the Cavs(me) vs the Pacers using Pared's most recent sliders, 10min quarters on all-star level.. The Pacers attempted to make a run in the 4th quarter but I held them off.. I believe there is a difference in the game between AI "comeback" programming and momentum flows in a game. AI comeback logic that I believe you are concerned about, can be turned on or off in the game options.. It is referred to as "Cpu assistance" in the game settings.. If it is off, then you don't have to worry about the cheap cpu comebacks.. Now game momentum is another story.. A basketball game is just not basketball with out team momentum IMO.. When I sense the big MO going to the other team I quickly call a timeout and it seems to help.. Which is very realistic to what real teams have to do when the opposing team starts an offensive run.. Here were my game stats:

Cavs - Pacers
score 109 - 88
FG 41/76 - 37/84
FG% .539 - .440
3pt 4/11 - 9/19
3pt% .364 - .474
FT 23/26 - 5/9
FT% .885 - .556
Oreb 5 - 2
Dreb 34 - 29
Blcks 12 - 8
stls 8 - 3
assist 20 - 18
TO 10 -13
Fouls 16 - 16

**Pronk** · 10-31-2003, 08:28 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

I just blew out the cpu by 21 pts.. I led by as much as 32 pts at one point.. The game was the Cavs(me) vs the Pacers using Pared's most recent sliders, 10min quarters on all-star level.. The Pacers attempted to make a run in the 4th quarter but I held them off.. I believe there is a difference in the game between AI "comeback" programming and momentum flows in a game. AI comeback logic that I believe you are concerned about, can be turned on or off in the game options.. It is referred to as "Cpu assistance" in the game settings.. If it is off, then you don't have to worry about the cheap cpu comebacks.. Now game momentum is another story.. A basketball game is just not basketball with out team momentum IMO.. When I sense the big MO going to the other team I quickly call a timeout and it seems to help.. Which is very realistic to what real teams have to do when the opposing team starts an offensive run.. Here were my game stats:

Cavs - Pacers
score 109 - 88
FG 41/76 - 37/84
FG% .539 - .440
3pt 4/11 - 9/19
3pt% .364 - .474
FT 23/26 - 5/9
FT% .885 - .556
Oreb 5 - 2
Dreb 34 - 29
Blcks 12 - 8
stls 8 - 3
assist 20 - 18
TO 10 -13
Fouls 16 - 16

**Pronk** · 10-31-2003, 08:28 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

I just blew out the cpu by 21 pts.. I led by as much as 32 pts at one point.. The game was the Cavs(me) vs the Pacers using Pared's most recent sliders, 10min quarters on all-star level.. The Pacers attempted to make a run in the 4th quarter but I held them off.. I believe there is a difference in the game between AI "comeback" programming and momentum flows in a game. AI comeback logic that I believe you are concerned about, can be turned on or off in the game options.. It is referred to as "Cpu assistance" in the game settings.. If it is off, then you don't have to worry about the cheap cpu comebacks.. Now game momentum is another story.. A basketball game is just not basketball with out team momentum IMO.. When I sense the big MO going to the other team I quickly call a timeout and it seems to help.. Which is very realistic to what real teams have to do when the opposing team starts an offensive run.. Here were my game stats:

Cavs - Pacers
score 109 - 88
FG 41/76 - 37/84
FG% .539 - .440
3pt 4/11 - 9/19
3pt% .364 - .474
FT 23/26 - 5/9
FT% .885 - .556
Oreb 5 - 2
Dreb 34 - 29
Blcks 12 - 8
stls 8 - 3
assist 20 - 18
TO 10 -13
Fouls 16 - 16

**Rickster101** · 10-31-2003, 09:58 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

I don't know if this is a sure way to stop the Comeback Logic but try this.

In the setting screen is a screen called "IN-GAME SETTINGS" here you will find a slot That Says "CPU Assistance" the options Are "ON" and "OFF" I turned it "OFF" and didn't get the full "EFFECT" nor have I seen it "Mount" an attack too great I couldn't hold my own.

To me it did'nt let the Other team just Run me through as it had before. Now its gonna fight back but good ballhandiing and defense keep you in the game and I Believe without that CPU assistance on it doesn't "Comeback" as Strong. It works for me. I could tell the differece in the Game Play.

GO BUCKEYES

**Rickster101** · 10-31-2003, 09:58 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

I don't know if this is a sure way to stop the Comeback Logic but try this.

In the setting screen is a screen called "IN-GAME SETTINGS" here you will find a slot That Says "CPU Assistance" the options Are "ON" and "OFF" I turned it "OFF" and didn't get the full "EFFECT" nor have I seen it "Mount" an attack too great I couldn't hold my own.

To me it did'nt let the Other team just Run me through as it had before. Now its gonna fight back but good ballhandiing and defense keep you in the game and I Believe without that CPU assistance on it doesn't "Comeback" as Strong. It works for me. I could tell the differece in the Game Play.

GO BUCKEYES

**Rickster101** · 10-31-2003, 09:58 PM

Re: Comeback Logic...

I don't know if this is a sure way to stop the Comeback Logic but try this.

In the setting screen is a screen called "IN-GAME SETTINGS" here you will find a slot That Says "CPU Assistance" the options Are "ON" and "OFF" I turned it "OFF" and didn't get the full "EFFECT" nor have I seen it "Mount" an attack too great I couldn't hold my own.

To me it did'nt let the Other team just Run me through as it had before. Now its gonna fight back but good ballhandiing and defense keep you in the game and I Believe without that CPU assistance on it doesn't "Comeback" as Strong. It works for me. I could tell the differece in the Game Play.

GO BUCKEYES

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