Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

[The 24th Letter]

The demo that most people didn't give enough time to to actually learn the controls or learn the game period. And if you ask me the footage that was shown of the developers properly playing the game looked great. And you bring up the "Boozer dunk". Has nothing peculiar ever happened in any other basketball games before? Last I heard in a Chris Smoove commentary Shane Battier was getting tip-slams in the game he played of 2K13. Should we forever hold that against 2K13? Too bad there isn't video footage of that. You guys would have loved that.

Didn't I say most still supported the game despite the pre footage or Boozer dunk though? Don't see your point there. Most people are fully aware that wonky things happen and that's why that stuff didn't turn them off....the demo did.

People took time to learn the controls....I did, and that's how I figured out I could hit hook shot 3's with Paul Pierce. If you thought the demo was fantastic, more power to you....but the majority did not, and it wasn't because it wasn't 2k...

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Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

Didn't I say most still supported the game despite the pre footage or Boozer dunk though? Don't see your point there. Most people are fully aware that wonky things happen and that's why that stuff didn't turn them off....the demo did.

People took time to learn the controls....I did, and that's how I figured out I could hit hook shot 3's with Paul Pierce. If you thought the demo was fantastic, more power to you....but the majority did not, and it wasn't because it wasn't 2k...

Exactly 24th

[Sirlonius]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

Eh thats all gameplay stuff... Elite lacked in that department and the animations hence it was shelved. It was a hard game to play and the more you sucked the worse it looked.

ELite was all about the controls and making users feel like they were shooting a basketball and dribbling. The fact that you needed to push the stick up straight and time it right is something you will prob see in 2k in 5 years. It was a real shot stick and reflected user skill which ever gamer wants.

Good intentions and definitely revolutionary. Just needed a lot more time to implement right.

[HoosierDaddy]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

I don't think anyone grasped the controls more than the community guys, because we had hands-on before anyone else and it was explained in detail. The issues were the game overall was not solid enough to street; end of story.

Flawed logic on how basketball is supposed to be played/represented, combined with a weak foundation was the demise of Elite. I'll keep saying it, you can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter. Basically, regardless of the features they implement on top of the gameplay, it doesn't matter in the end because the playability of the game just wasn't/isn't there.

This leaked Live 13 video has a majority of the issues that Elite had, if not more. My question is what have they been doing all this time!? Make the call, EA, and I'm there (along with others who have reached out for MONTHS)

[liberaluser]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

ELite was all about the controls and making users feel like they were shooting a basketball and dribbling. The fact that you needed to push the stick up straight and time it right is something you will prob see in 2k in 5 years. It was a real shot stick and reflected user skill which ever gamer wants.

Actually 2K has said they looked into a hybrid stick when making their new dribble control and thought it compromised BOTH dribbling and shooting, so they kept both functions separate to give users' maximum control.

Elite is in the dustbin of history, it ain't the future that we want.

[swac07]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

Eh thats all gameplay stuff... Elite lacked in that department and the animations hence it was shelved. It was a hard game to play and the more you sucked the worse it looked.

ELite was all about the controls and making users feel like they were shooting a basketball and dribbling. The fact that you needed to push the stick up straight and time it right is something you will prob see in 2k in 5 years. It was a real shot stick and reflected user skill which ever gamer wants.

Good intentions and definitely revolutionary. Just needed a lot more time to implement right.

[Sirlonius]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

to quote king whine

Yep, you definitely nailed me on that one. Tell me, how long was your Google search to find such a perfect response and read of my mood? Did you open a bottle of wine in celebration of hitting that home run as well? You've certainly bested me on this day kind sir. Kudos to you my good man.

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Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

..but you didnt address his point. YOU arent speaking for US in that statement because its obvious WE didnt feel like that at all

Nobody asked for hockey controls and its just the fact here that you're tap dancing around the facts.

[Sirlonius]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

Tell me what other basketball game has had a true shot stick? The idea they had was rather revolutionary if you ask me. It just needed more time. I would have liked to see a down and up motion and be true 1:1

I wasnt speaking for you 23 or anyone. Stop assuming its all about you. This is an opinion forum. Just cause I leave a few words like I in every sentence... Anything you say isn't fact either. opinons.

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Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

Tell me what other basketball game has had a true shot stick? The idea they had was rather revolutionary if you ask me. It just needed more time. I would have liked to see a down and up motion and be true 1:1

I wasnt speaking for you 23 or anyone. Stop assuming its all about you. This is an opinion forum.

I can only speak for me, and when you said WE wanted it, well WE didnt

and WE as the community wasnt calling for different controls at the time, but everything we asked for they ignored...and that includes the guys who went to EA and met with the devs... I know exactly what im saying, but you dont seem to

If you like hockey controls in basketball thats you, but the entire basketball community spoke out about this garbage and its gone, hopefully for good

[Sirlonius]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

You didnt answer my question. What other basketball game has had a true shot stick?

Also in my previous post "we" is not listed once. WHere do you see it?

It's "you" that didnt want elite controls and thats fine.

Eh thats all gameplay stuff... Elite lacked in that department and the animations hence it was shelved. It was a hard game to play and the more you sucked the worse it looked.

ELite was all about the controls and making users feel like they were shooting a basketball and dribbling. The fact that you needed to push the stick up straight and time it right is something you will prob see in 2k in 5 years. It was a real shot stick and reflected user skill which ever gamer wants.

Good intentions and definitely revolutionary. Just needed a lot more time to implement right

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Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

You didnt answer my question. What other basketball game has had a true shot stick?

Also in my previous post "we" is not listed once. Where do you see it?

It's "you" that didnt want elite controls and thats fine.

Eh thats all gameplay stuff... Elite lacked in that department and the animations hence it was shelved. It was a hard game to play and the more you sucked the worse it looked.

ELite was all about the controls and making users feel like they were shooting a basketball and dribbling. The fact that you needed to push the stick up straight and time it right is something you will prob see in 2k in 5 years. It was a real shot stick and reflected user skill which ever gamer wants.

Good intentions and definitely revolutionary. Just needed a lot more time to implement right

We meaning the users, man stop trying to throw distractions in here... You know good and well what im talking about stop trying to act dumb.

The problem is you keep living in a past that nobody asked for which I just told you but you again refuse to listen

I could care less about your question becuase nobody in the basketball community is asking for a new shot stick, and nobody liked that junk anyway..unnatural dribbling, passing with the RT, that entire control scheme which only worked well in a hockey up and down view was a mess.

We can all just pull random questions out of our butt cheeks but you're wasting time typing and posing questions nobody is asking, only YOU think we are.

[JerzeyReign]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

So what does this have to do with Anthony Davis' rating?

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Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

No its just when the NBA Live ratings came out everyone kept saying the games garbage. Actually IMO, NBA Lives ratings and tendecies ect. are so much better then NBA 2K12's default because their not based on what the "fans" think a player should be rated but stats. They still need to be edited thou because not all stats can dictate a rating such as On Ball Defense and edited speed and agility ratings can make the game have less of a robotic feeling to it. But like I said Live is years ahead in terms of "OUT OF THE BOX" ratings and tendencies.

I have to disagree... I edited Live 10 to the max and found out all kinds of issues... right along with Playmakers who had been doing the EXACT same thing for YEARS..


Ill throw out one of his random threads from 2009
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...g-players.html

The robotic feel of the game has nothing to do with ratings and ironically there were ratings like defensive recovery that were completely over exaggerrated for guys like Derek Fisher whom we all know cant stay in front of a snail, the guy had a rating of close to 90, which meant no matter if you beat him or not, he'd just slide right back in front of you... that trash was terrible.

[DukeC]

Re: Nba Live 13 A.Davis rtg 80, so is 2k13 so whats the difference?

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Eh thats all gameplay stuff... Elite lacked in that department and the animations hence it was shelved. It was a hard game to play and the more you sucked the worse it looked.

ELite was all about the controls and making users feel like they were shooting a basketball and dribbling. The fact that you needed to push the stick up straight and time it right is something you will prob see in 2k in 5 years. It was a real shot stick and reflected user skill which ever gamer wants.

Good intentions and definitely revolutionary. Just needed a lot more time to implement right.

So you're saying that's what you wanted right? You do know that was all timing based don't you? That that was only possible to do the fact that a regular hook shot in the game required little to no skill as far as timing goes right?

You're saying that right there is equivalent to real life shooting? You're telling me Kobe and Paul Pierce are capable of making hookshots from 3 point land in real life?

There is a point where user skill can only go so far. Basketball is one of those genres where user skill has to be somewhat limited because not all of the players are capable of pulling off moves like Kobe or Paul Pierce. Giving that sort of capability to everyone is what made that game a disaster from the start.

Nothing in that video above replicates real life, nor what we see during the NBA season.