OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

[Skopin]

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I hear you. There's a type of hypocrisy with it. It frustrates me.

Often times, the people who bash a company for pushing "fluff back of the box features" are the same people who don't recognize when a game focuses on improving the under the hood elements that are essential to making the gameplay better.

For example, I keep seeing people rip 2K for adding blocked dunks, ignoring the fact that the blocked dunks are just one aspect of an entirely new shot-blocking system. Core gameplay!

Plus, 2K did a huge overhaul of defensive rotations this year, making them significantly more realistic. It's not a "marketing" feature, and people choose to ignore it. Core gameplay again!

The blocked dunk argument is kind of 2k's own fault, as they are marketing that more than the block system itself. Couple that with the fact that it's not really a new feature, and the criticism is understandable.

Also, 2k touts better defense every year. I have been playing 2k since 2k9, and every year they say defensive logic and rotations have been fixed, but it never actually gets any better. After 2k10, I've learned to take their explanations of upgrades with a grain of salt.

[Skopin]

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Technology was never the cause of Live failing last gen it all had to do with the business philosophy at EA and having too many chiefs in the kitchen, they had a solid game in Live 10 and decided to go in another direction at the objection of Mike Wang, if Live 14 fails to make money this year will they once again start from scratch.

They actually had good ideas; they just weren't implemented well. They recognized that they couldn't go any further on their current engine, and had to change it up. Unfortunately, starting from scratch generally takes more than 8-10 months, and they couldn't make a solid game out of it.

I liked the 1:1 dribble control idea (which 2k has somewhat attempted to do) and the skill-based shooting. Physics in a video game will always be hoped for, lest we get locked into animations like we do now. Again, they had the right idea, but couldn't make it happen.

[Skopin]

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2K has released a next gen trailer and it was longer than EA's.

EA has only showed us a pre-rendered teaser and then an in game rendered teaser with just Kyrie Irving dribbling. So, neither company has shown us much.

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There is a video of the dribble demo out (behind an interview) that shows a few seconds of Kyrie dribbling. It looks great, but it's just him along in the gym, so we can't gather much outside of what dribbling looks like.

[Skopin]

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Lol!!! ....2K don't need to show nothing, they record speaks for it's self. They are the reason live don't exist anymore and couldn't compete on current gen. You sound crazy
That's why EA bought the license to the NFL, anyone with common sense know that 2k don't have to prove anything, they're not the one on trial

This kind of thinking is why Jay Z was their big feature last year. Both companies have to prove they can make a solid game, especially on new consoles. Madden 05 was great. Once the new console hit the market, Madden took a sharp decline. What's to say that can't happen with NBA 2k?

[Skopin]

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Worst analogy ever. Development studios don't just fold because of some random lucky punch by an upstart.

This is more like the Heat being defeated in the Finals by an NBA expansion team in its first year after winning 3 straight championships and signing another great free agent in the off season.

That analogy is pretty bad as well. I would consider it more as the Heat being defeated in the Finals by a former-playoff franchise that fell off (Cavs? I guess that would just be the ECF, but still) after rebuilding.

[Skopin]

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Like I said right NOW they would be neck and neck not that next year after live 10.
Building off live 10 would have been best for EA.

I think they went in a new direction because realistically, they couldn't improve much from Live 10. At least not on the same engine. They tried to go the physics-based route, but just couldn't do it well enough. 2k is hitting the wall on their animation-based gameplay as well. They can add 3000 new animations a year, but we still see most of the same ones game to game.

[Skopin]

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I won't even give Live a look this year, and if they come out with it next year still won't give it a look. Call me a 2k fan (I do love their NBA), but Live will do decent but still won't be a game changer. You will have the fans of Live Series come back, and of course people going to try a new game.

One thing I think is funny is how everyone says "Live is coming out on next gen so all their resources are in one bag and how next gen everyone is going to be on the same playing field." Not to say that Live is going to be terrible, but when the 360 and PS3 we had madden and what they shown before the game was released and everyone was going bat crazy over it. Then we got it and it was nothing we expected and was worst. You get the whole "3 year plan" so I guess when Live doesn't do well I can always resort to hearing people say "It's their first year back on a new system and they are still learning" or "It's the first year in the 3 year plan!"

Again it all comes down to play style. 2k is sim (i personally like it) so I stick with that. If you like it more arcade style then Live is your game. Multiple choices for sports is good, but to actually believe that EA can complete with 2k in the first year of next gen is pretty crazy. Only thing EA would have better is online servers cause even I will admit it is frustrating with all the errors with their online association. As for gameplay Live, for me, will never come close to 2k ever since 2k is sim and I tend to go in that direction. Unless some crazy reason Live try's to be sim then maybe I would look into it.

I always found EA's gameplay to be much more sim than 2k's. It wasn't as smooth, but the AI was way better, and you actually had to think a little bit and move the ball around to score.

[lookatmenow]

This kind of thinking is why Jay Z was their big feature last year. Both companies have to prove they can make a solid game, especially on new consoles. Madden 05 was great. Once the new console hit the market, Madden took a sharp decline. What's to say that can't happen with NBA 2k?

Because 2K never decline. They were successful with last gen in football and still successful in current gen with basketball. What more evidence do you need?
Now what has EA done? They have destroyed football and have no clue with basketball. Now you think all of a sudden because it's next gen that EA can compete with a company like 2K that has proven it's dominance to continue to put out great material on all generation consoles. What a joke!! .... You guys are in denial

[Skopin]

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Because 2K never decline. They were successful with last gen in football and still successful in current gen with basketball. What more evidence do you need?
Now what has EA done? They have destroyed football and have no clue with basketball. Now you think all of a sudden because it's next gen that EA can compete with a company like 2K that has proven it's dominance to continue to put out great material on all generation consoles. What a joke!! .... You guys are in denial

2k also mutilated baseball and hockey. EA had a solid baseball game on last-gen, and has put out solid FIFA and NHL games this gen. See how that goes both ways? Luckily for me, I am not biased toward either game/company. I want both games to be good.

[lookatmenow]

2k also mutilated baseball and hockey. EA had a solid baseball game on last-gen, and has put out solid FIFA and NHL games this gen. See how that goes both ways? Luckily for me, I am not biased toward either game/company. I want both games to be good.

Lol!! You think EA baseball game is better then 2K, you can't be serious!!
2K may not have produce a great baseball game in comparison to MLB The SHOW but at least you can play the game and it's with current gen standard something you can't say about EA Sports.
They're sports game are not playable, looks and feels robotic, players flopping all over the place, the overall game feels like PS1. The only game that they get some positive feed back from is FIFA.
Bottom line, EA Sports is no where near 2K Sports level, period!

[Behindshadows]

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The level of immaturity and ignorance in some of these post still boggle my mind.

So what if you won't give Live a look, if you don't like EA and Live stop posting in their threads already, we get it!!!

Does Live have a chance? Really?

First off any company that is willing to put out a NBA game has a chance, you know why. Because there is this thing called choice and a word call both!!!

You have a choice to buy whatever you want and when you want it!!

You can easily get both games and enjoy them for their differences. No one wants to buy two games that are exactly alike!!!

This is where some peoples minds are so small, that in your little world a troll told you one day, that you can only pick one and only enjoy one....Life is about differences and choices.

Why not enjoy Live series for what they are, and enjoy 2k for what they are....instead of always trying to build a riff between the two with stupid rants.

I feel like half the negative ignorant post in here are just misguided energy's!

Seriously grow the ...... up!!! If you still can't enjoy both games because your mind can only dedicate to one a year, then I feel sorry for you. I can imagine what other games you've missed from such a biased aspect on life.

Remember it's about the sport, about the game, and not the company.

- Peace.

[Skopin]

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Lol!! You think EA baseball game is better then 2K, you can't be serious!!
2K may not have produce a great baseball game in comparison to MLB The SHOW but at least you can play the game and it's with current gen standard something you can't say about EA Sports.
They're sports game are not playable, looks and feels robotic, players flopping all over the place, the overall game feels like PS1. The only game that they get some positive feed back from is FIFA.
Bottom line, EA Sports is no where near 2K Sports level, period!

You're fun. I'm glad I'm not closed-minded.

[lookatmenow]

The level of immaturity and ignorance in some of these post still boggle my mind.

So what if you won't give Live a look, if you don't like EA and Live stop posting in their threads already, we get it!!!

Does Live have a chance? Really?

First off any company that is willing to put out a NBA game has a chance, you know why. Because there is this thing called choice and a word call both!!!

You have a choice to buy whatever you want and when you want it!!

You can easily get both games and enjoy them for their differences. No one wants to buy two games that are exactly alike!!!

This is where some peoples minds are so small, that in your little world a troll told you one day, that you can only pick one and only enjoy one....Life is about differences and choices.

Why not enjoy Live series for what they are, and enjoy 2k for what they are....instead of always trying to build a riff between the two with stupid rants.

I feel like half the negative ignorant post in here are just misguided energy's!

Seriously grow the ...... up!!! If you still can't enjoy both games because your mind can only dedicate to one a year, then I feel sorry for you. I can imagine what other games you've missed from such a biased aspect on life.

Remember it's about the sport, about the game, and not the company.

- Peace.

You are absolutely right, life is about choices and EA took that away from us when they bought the rights to football. People are tired of water down products with no effort but to make a buck. I don't think you get it. It's not about some picking sides and don't want Live to succeed. This is mainly about the quality of product that one puts out. People use 2K in comparison to EA for that same reason. So when you hear someone acknowledging 2K Sports, it's not for 2k it's about what they do or have done. We all have a right to voice our opinion and let our voices be herd. After all it's our right and choice as buyers.
When you decide to represent all in which EA chose to do when it bought the rights to football, then this is exactly what you subject yourself to and it's fair critisicum

[Skopin]

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You are absolutely right, life is about choices and EA took that away from us when they bought the rights to football. People are tired of water down products with no effort but to make a buck. I don't think you get it. It's not about some picking sides and don't want Live to succeed. This is mainly about the quality of product that one puts out. People use 2K in comparison to EA for that same reason. So when you hear someone acknowledging 2K Sports, it's not for 2k it's about what they do or have done. We all have a right to voice our opinion and let our voices be herd. After all it's our right and choice as buyers.
When you decide to represent all in which EA chose to do when it bought the rights to football, then this is exactly what you subject yourself to and it's fair critisicum

2k did the same thing by buying the rights to MLB. The only difference is that Madden still sells.

To be honest, there is no reason 2k can't make another football game. They just can't use the NFL license. But they can give the community the tools to create it themselves. Backbreaker did that with the team creator. Add the ability to create custom rosters and you have a game. Obviously people would be willing to create them; there are still people making updated rosters for NFL 2k5 and APF 2k8.

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Personally, I have always found Live's defense and AI to be much better than 2k's. I will say that 2k making the switch to right-stick dribble moves has greatly improved the offensive control.

Hilarious

Better?

The last game I edited was live 10 and it was atrocious. Derek Fisher having an 87 in defensive recovery was one awful example. As soon as you pump faked a guy he would immediately slide back in front of you when you drove while he was in the air.

How about when the CPU would do the sideways footslide all the way down the court full speed while you're on a break? That defies physics

That's just 2 examples and trust me I remember very well

2k's defense or lack of is clearly an issue, but its like people have forgotten about NBA lives areas of lack, and there were ALOT of them.