NBA Live Interview with Gary Paterson

[RayRay34]

Re: NBA Live Interview with Gary Paterson

Just out of curiosity...... What's everyone gonna hate on if the games does actually get released. The way some of you talk in this forum you probably won't even get the game so then what? You gonna hate on the fact that it got released and doesn't meet your standards? Or because you see a clip of a guy running through a screen when he shouldn't? Gonna hate on that.

This board makes me sick! I'm a fan of basketball games, let's have discussions about the game and not what EA is doing as far as marketing it. Let the people who have faith in the game speculate and dream about what the game will be like without having to force their way through all the crap some of you sling around in here. Plain and simple, if you don't support the game then stay out of the Nba live forum......

Some people also provoke it and they shouldn't, Let the NBA live guys have their moment!! if EA f's up again it's their own fault for getting all hyped up. You don't need to then come in here and rub it in their faces like some of you will! What's even more pathetic is the people in charge of policing these forums let it happen and even join in.

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it... Ter-bull, just Ter-Bull!!!!

[yungflo]

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Its not the end of the world. Its not a footrace, it's a marathon. I don't expect EA to win this iteration, but if they release a game, its more than what they did the last 4 years and its one step closer to the process of becoming better.

If they don't get it down, well then I'm still going to survive. Its not the end of the world.

Its also ok to express disappointment, I think deep down inside people want live to succeed. Competition is good. Nothing wrong with that.

[franzis]

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EA will release the game in any case.
Maybe it will be crappy or unpolished, but it will be a foundation for next gen future installments.

[Skopin]

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Bottom line in this really.

It is kind of scary how this is starting to look like years past. Live 13 went down similar to this. It showed up at E3 behind closed doors (the gameplay got murdered by the people who saw it) and then it disappeared the rest of the summer only to turn up again with the "leaked" gameplay that looked like **** and they swore up and down that it was from version of the game that shouldn't have as many features in it as it did. They had all the screenshots that they dropped and yet and still, we know what happened to that game.

This year we see what's happening. Showed up at E3 only they made it a dribble demo and no gameplay whatsoever. It disappeared for a while with the odd screenshot here or there until that MSG trailer and then silence again when people criticized the lack of 5v5. It's crazy how things have gone.

The difference is that the gameplay was praised at E3 for what they did show, even so much as to garner a few nominations for best sports game. I find the insane amount of speculation surrounding this game incredibly annoying.

[MarkWilliam]

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I don't really see the argument here.

First, I have to admit that I've been visiting the site/forums daily hoping to see new information/gameplay regarding Live because I'm genuinely interested in the game. I'm assuming most people here, like me, feel the same way and are really hoping EA puts out something great. I love basketball, and if I can get another game to put on my shelf then I'm happy to do so.

Having said that, lets look at the situation critically. NBA Live has not held a place in the general consciousness (with the exception of the lack of releases) for several years. Meanwhile the 2K series, regardless of anyone's particular opinion of the games, has garnered pretty much all of the attention from those who are interested in basketball games. Moreover, they've just released this year's iteration on the CG systems.

I may not be an expert in marketing or business, but I would expect the primary focus at the moment for 2K has to be about pushing as many units of their CG games as possible. Given the tricky nature of this year's cycle, with the release of the NG consoles, I'm assuming that cannibalization is likely top of mind for the company.

On the other hand, EA does not have the same issue to contend with and instead can be hyper-focused on their release of Live on next gen platforms -- both in development and marketing. Given the challenging task before them of gaining market share for their product and share of hearts and minds with the community you would think that EA would be dominating the next gen conversation. The lack of information, footage and general excitement-building is a missed-opportunity in my mind -- a failure even.

Surely there is still time for both companies to drum up the hype machine in support of their next gen ventures. However, I don't see the validity in any argument that suggests that 2K, "needs this as much as EA." In fact I believe that 2K has all of the momentum at the moment (with the release of the CG game and most recent "teaser trailer") and they can afford to hold their cards close to their chest. The decision is even easier so long as EA keeps quiet on the matter.

I'm not going to speculate on why EA has seemingly missed a huge opportunity to seize the NG basketball conversation because I really hope they put out an exciting product. I'm sure in the coming weeks we're all going to get our fill of information from both companies, and as usual the community will dissect every nuance. Until then, I'll keep visiting and hoping for more information, but I firmly believe EA has whiffed in the marketing department up to this point.

This is an extremely concise post. Very well said!

To keep on topic, I think the interview was decently informative - but I do think the timing is somewhat frustrating. What I mean is this is the sort of thing we have been/should have been reading months ago. We are past interview stages here - especially interviews which have quotes in it like "stay tuned" and "more information to come"....... I think the count is roughly 45 days til launch? The time has come in my opinion. A BIG opportunity has been lost by Live (refer above quoted post) - I totally agree with this.

NBA Live had a golden opportunity to capitalize while NBA 2K was consumed with current gen - maybe make some fantastic ground in the form of first impressions.

I also hope this game (and 2K) are both amazing games and us gamers have a rare luxury of 2 options to play for the upcoming year - nothing would satisfy me more.....

But the silence this close to release leaves me curious/sceptical. Not curious/optimistic..... and I fear the former is the case with a majority of the fans and not the latter......

The frustrating truth does remain, if EA held out til 1 day prior to launch, flooded the internet with media and it looked sensational, then I can honestly say, I would make the purchase......

Maybe conservative has its upside...... to use a cliché - better safe than sorry??

Sucks, but seems to be the reality..... very frustrating....

[bigeastbumrush]

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Just out of curiosity...... What's everyone gonna hate on if the games does actually get released. The way some of you talk in this forum you probably won't even get the game so then what? You gonna hate on the fact that it got released and doesn't meet your standards? Or because you see a clip of a guy running through a screen when he shouldn't? Gonna hate on that.

This board makes me sick! I'm a fan of basketball games, let's have discussions about the game and not what EA is doing as far as marketing it. Let the people who have faith in the game speculate and dream about what the game will be like without having to force their way through all the crap some of you sling around in here. Plain and simple, if you don't support the game then stay out of the Nba live forum......

Some people also provoke it and they shouldn't, Let the NBA live guys have their moment!! if EA f's up again it's their own fault for getting all hyped up. You don't need to then come in here and rub it in their faces like some of you will! What's even more pathetic is the people in charge of policing these forums let it happen and even join in.

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it... Ter-bull, just Ter-Bull!!!!

So we shouldn't talk about the game until Nov 19th?

LOL@ staying out of this forum.

The only people avoiding this forum are the EA Devs and EA GameChangers.

[King_B_Mack]

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The difference is that the gameplay was praised at E3 for what they did show, even so much as to garner a few nominations for best sports game. I find the insane amount of speculation surrounding this game incredibly annoying.

I didn't say that wasn't the difference and there was no gameplay at E3 to be praised this year. The only thing that was there was dribbling demos. Insane amount of speculation? You're funny. Of course it's insane to get punched in the face a few times by a gang member and when you see someone from the same gang approach you, ball up their fist and pull back you react by punching them first or flinching, cause of course it's just speculation that this new person is going to hit you.

Just out of curiosity...... What's everyone gonna hate on if the games does actually get released. The way some of you talk in this forum you probably won't even get the game so then what? You gonna hate on the fact that it got released and doesn't meet your standards? Or because you see a clip of a guy running through a screen when he shouldn't? Gonna hate on that.

This is your problem. Hate on? Nobody is hating on anything. In case you missed it with your head in the sand, everybody here WANTS Live to be good. There's no positive for anybody that we've got one damn basketball title on store shelves when we were getting five just a few years ago.

This board makes me sick! I'm a fan of basketball games, let's have discussions about the game and not what EA is doing as far as marketing it. Let the people who have faith in the game speculate and dream about what the game will be like without having to force their way through all the crap some of you sling around in here. Plain and simple, if you don't support the game then stay out of the Nba live forum......

In case you hadn't noticed, this forum is a ghost town more often than not. What discussions about the game are you going to have? You don't know anything about it besides you can apparently dribble really good. Anyway, don't pull that "let's have discussion on the game" card anyway because most of you guys refuse to do that because you're too busy dragging 2K into every conversation and picking apart what they're doing to actually get around to discussing Live.

Some people also provoke it and they shouldn't, Let the NBA live guys have their moment!! if EA f's up again it's their own fault for getting all hyped up. You don't need to then come in here and rub it in their faces like some of you will! What's even more pathetic is the people in charge of policing these forums let it happen and even join in.

I've said it before and I'll continue to say it... Ter-bull, just Ter-Bull!!!!

Honestly the way I see it, what's pathetic is people like you that claim to be fans of basketball games and a fan of Live and yet you stick your head in the sand to what's going on with the series and allow EA to do what they do. From 2006 until now people have sat around and let guys dream and hope that they'll get a better effort from EA and they've ****ed them every time they did. The Live series didn't just end up in the toilet one day it was a continuous process that happened and people like you and some of the others still hanging around here right now are part of the reason because you don't actually try to help the game. Sometimes, the truth hurts. You guys sit around and every single thing they drop in your lap you lap it up and roll with it whether it makes sense or not. They come out and tell you that water is dry and there's a number of you that will convince yourself that maybe there is some dry water somewhere and start this ******* "you're just hating, don't come in the Live forum to bash the game" nonsense when someone else is sitting there saying that all water is definitely wet.

You're right this is the NBA Live forum and it's for discussion about NBA Live, the good AND the bad. Maybe you should take a step back and look at how much you're really helping Live get back where it needs to be.

[Sundown]

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I don't really see the argument here.

First, I have to admit that I've been visiting the site/forums daily hoping to see new information/gameplay regarding Live because I'm genuinely interested in the game. I'm assuming most people here, like me, feel the same way and are really hoping EA puts out something great. I love basketball, and if I can get another game to put on my shelf then I'm happy to do so.

Having said that, lets look at the situation critically. NBA Live has not held a place in the general consciousness (with the exception of the lack of releases) for several years. Meanwhile the 2K series, regardless of anyone's particular opinion of the games, has garnered pretty much all of the attention from those who are interested in basketball games. Moreover, they've just released this year's iteration on the CG systems.

I may not be an expert in marketing or business, but I would expect the primary focus at the moment for 2K has to be about pushing as many units of their CG games as possible. Given the tricky nature of this year's cycle, with the release of the NG consoles, I'm assuming that cannibalization is likely top of mind for the company.

On the other hand, EA does not have the same issue to contend with and instead can be hyper-focused on their release of Live on next gen platforms -- both in development and marketing. Given the challenging task before them of gaining market share for their product and share of hearts and minds with the community you would think that EA would be dominating the next gen conversation. The lack of information, footage and general excitement-building is a missed-opportunity in my mind -- a failure even.

Surely there is still time for both companies to drum up the hype machine in support of their next gen ventures. However, I don't see the validity in any argument that suggests that 2K, "needs this as much as EA." In fact I believe that 2K has all of the momentum at the moment (with the release of the CG game and most recent "teaser trailer") and they can afford to hold their cards close to their chest. The decision is even easier so long as EA keeps quiet on the matter.

I'm not going to speculate on why EA has seemingly missed a huge opportunity to seize the NG basketball conversation because I really hope they put out an exciting product. I'm sure in the coming weeks we're all going to get our fill of information from both companies, and as usual the community will dissect every nuance. Until then, I'll keep visiting and hoping for more information, but I firmly believe EA has whiffed in the marketing department up to this point.

Well said.

Actually, if Live had something to show, they should have shown it BEFORE or even DURING NBA 2K's current gen push. People comparing next-gen Live with current-gen 2K might have found 2K's graphics underwhelming and decided to hold out for Live on next gen.

I know this doesn't affect people who only have current gen, but it might have delayed/stolen 2K sales from people who would have both or were planning to upgrade at some point. Live may not actually directly benefit from every lost cur-gen 2K sale, but whatever hurts their competitor helps them, and the more mindshare their competitor loses, the more is available for Live to snatch up.

Instead they've waited too long. Cur-gen 2K will get its sales, and so will next-gen 2K, as they've shown more and what they've shown is also more impressive. That trend probably won't change all the way up to release. 2K will also come out days earlier than Live. It's not a good situation at all.

[m1ke_nyc]

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I'm sure they gonna release the game. Its just I'm ready to see some footage. Sick and tired of hearing "soon". The game is done. At best its another week or 2 of q and a.

[Skopin]

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Instead they've waited too long. Cur-gen 2K will get its sales, and so will next-gen 2K, as they've shown more and what they've shown is also more impressive. That trend probably won't change all the way up to release. 2K will also come out days earlier than Live. It's not a good situation at all.

What have they shown? What information do we have on next-gen 2k? We have a trailer from E3 and one other trailer that is being advertised as current gen (Available Now) when it airs on TV. 2k hasn't shown anything more than Live when it comes to next-gen.

On the other hand, while we haven't seen any gameplay footage from Live, they have, at the very least, released some information on what they are doing, and what game modes will be in the game.

[Skopin]

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I didn't say that wasn't the difference and there was no gameplay at E3 to be praised this year. The only thing that was there was dribbling demos. Insane amount of speculation? You're funny. Of course it's insane to get punched in the face a few times by a gang member and when you see someone from the same gang approach you, ball up their fist and pull back you react by punching them first or flinching, cause of course it's just speculation that this new person is going to hit you.

This is quite possibly the worst analogy ever. I would make that analogy if they had actually released a horrible game, and I bought it, only to be extremely disappointed. But they didn't release anything. So I didn't get punched in the face. In fact, it had no effect on me whatsoever.

So yes, at this point, everything surrounding Live is speculation, as we have not seen any actual gameplay. If they release gameplay and it looks terrible, I will be the first to say it. But until then, no one knows but those working on the game.

[Sirs]

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You guys really think you are helping by berating other members and ea on every post? How about some constructive criticism or posting on the wish list thread. I haven't seem one post on how to improve live from you guys other than things they should do to be more like 2k or ways by them releasing they can help 2k. We get it you guys hate live and have daddy issues now that he wants to be back in your lives again.

[King_B_Mack]

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This is quite possibly the worst analogy ever. I would make that analogy if they had actually released a horrible game, and I bought it, only to be extremely disappointed. But they didn't release anything. So I didn't get punched in the face. In fact, it had no effect on me whatsoever.

So yes, at this point, everything surrounding Live is speculation, as we have not seen any actual gameplay. If they release gameplay and it looks terrible, I will be the first to say it. But until then, no one knows but those working on the game.

And this is where we have our disconnect. You think this goes to cancelled games and ends. EA has been doing this kind of stuff for the entirety of this current gen. It just finally came to a head with the cancellations because people finally stop sitting around hoping for the best from them and just accepting whatever bull**** they served up for them and called basketball. They had no intention of cancelling Elite. That game was going to come out until hard8times and the guys that hit up the Venice (I think it was Venice) showings exposed them.

[Skopin]

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And this is where we have our disconnect. You think this goes to cancelled games and ends. EA has been doing this kind of stuff for the entirety of this current gen. It just finally came to a head with the cancellations because people finally stop sitting around hoping for the best from them and just accepting whatever bull**** they served up for them and called basketball. They had no intention of cancelling Elite. That game was going to come out until hard8times and the guys that hit up the Venice (I think it was Venice) showings exposed them.

But you're still talking about the past. This is where I get frustrated. Why is it impossible to recover from past mistakes? It's not the same team. It's not the same systems. Why is it so hard to think that the game might be good? It might be the worst game ever created. But it might also be the best. Why can you not reserve judgement until we see it in action?

I am in no way saying they should have a free pass. No game or company should. But by the same token, no game should immediately be written off before we actually see what they have to offer. If the market was flooded with information from all other next-gen launch titles, then the arguments might be more valid. But it's not. We have seen just as much information from Live as we have from most other launch titles (at least in terms of sports games), with the exception of FIFA.

[Earl1963]

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SOUND. So glad they're not ignoring this part of the game, it's what pulls me into the action, both in video games and real life sports. It's also the reason I prefer Live 10 over any 2k basketball ever made.

Can't wait!