NBA Live Interview with Gary Paterson

[King_B_Mack]

Re: NBA Live Interview with Gary Paterson

But you're still talking about the past. This is where I get frustrated. Why is it impossible to recover from past mistakes? It's not the same team. It's not the same systems. Why is it so hard to think that the game might be good? It might be the worst game ever created. But it might also be the best. Why can you not reserve judgement until we see it in action?

I am in no way saying they should have a free pass. No game or company should. But by the same token, no game should immediately be written off before we actually see what they have to offer. If the market was flooded with information from all other next-gen launch titles, then the arguments might be more valid. But it's not. We have seen just as much information from Live as we have from most other launch titles (at least in terms of sports games), with the exception of FIFA.

And again this is where we have a disconnect. For someone that's so concerned about speculation, you do a lot of it.

Firstly and I've pointed this out before. The team working on the game does not matter. Live has always had some of the best teams put together working on the series. Hell they had Mike Wang on the team. But it's the people above them that held back their visions. Everything we see right now, we've seen before. The articles, the quotes, the screenshots that look good, the tech demos explaining the vision for a better basketball game with features never seen before and multiple three year plans for building the series everyone wants and what happens is a broken mess of a game that doesn't represent the game of basketball and doesn't get fixed because the people over the team don't see the profit in it.

You are painting an inaccurate portrait. Why is it so hard to think the game might be good? I nor anybody else has said the game is going to be bad. We are simply commenting on events as they transpire or don't in this case. You guys seem to equate commentary on what is happening as "hating" on the game, or writing it off and all this other stuff. If the game is good, I'll buy it because I enjoy basketball games. NBA Live 10 is sitting on my shelf right now along with NBA 2K10. Buying two basketball games isn't an issue for me. However as I see things unfold in a way that I've seen it happen, I'm going to comment on it with my thoughts. Not sit here and pretend like a red flag isn't raised because somebody's feelings are going to be hurt that they can't sit around in ignorant bliss about the matter.

And once again, I don't care how other games have promoted themselves or what info they've released. Every other game you've mentioned hasn't been cancelled three years straight. The decision not to take advantage of the opportunity to jump on 2K right away shows me the same kind of questionable to poor decision making from the higher ups above the dev team (there's that same problem again) that we've seen this entire generation. That concerns me. That's why I point it out.

[Jay Jay]

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You guys really think you are helping by berating other members and ea on every post? How about some constructive criticism or posting on the wish list thread. I haven't seem one post on how to improve live from you guys other than things they should do to be more like 2k or ways by them releasing they can help 2k. We get it you guys hate live and have daddy issues now that he wants to be back in your lives again.

These dudes is bored or something. How could they want 2 good b-ball games but still talk about things that happen 2 to 4 years ago? Its the same song just a different day in a different thread.

[Jay Jay]

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And again this is where we have a disconnect. For someone that's so concerned about speculation, you do a lot of it.

Firstly and I've pointed this out before. The team working on the game does not matter. Live has always had some of the best teams put together working on the series. Hell they had Mike Wang on the team. But it's the people above them that held back their visions. Everything we see right now, we've seen before. The articles, the quotes, the screenshots that look good, the tech demos explaining the vision for a better basketball game with features never seen before and multiple three year plans for building the series everyone wants and what happens is a broken mess of a game that doesn't represent the game of basketball and doesn't get fixed because the people over the team don't see the profit in it.

You are painting an inaccurate portrait. Why is it so hard to think the game might be good? I nor anybody else has said the game is going to be bad. We are simply commenting on events as they transpire or don't in this case. You guys seem to equate commentary on what is happening as "hating" on the game, or writing it off and all this other stuff. If the game is good, I'll buy it because I enjoy basketball games. NBA Live 10 is sitting on my shelf right now along with NBA 2K10. Buying two basketball games isn't an issue for me. However as I see things unfold in a way that I've seen it happen, I'm going to comment on it with my thoughts. Not sit here and pretend like a red flag isn't raised because somebody's feelings are going to be hurt that they can't sit around in ignorant bliss about the matter.

And once again, I don't care how other games have promoted themselves or what info they've released. Every other game you've mentioned hasn't been cancelled three years straight. The decision not to take advantage of the opportunity to jump on 2K right away shows me the same kind of questionable to poor decision making from the higher ups above the dev team (there's that same problem again) that we've seen this entire generation. That concerns me. That's why I point it out.

The problem is you and others jump on anybody who say something good about Live or like what we hear. How many times do you need to point it out? How many times are you going to say the same thing in different ways? I bet in this thread alone you over 10 times and counting.

[bigeastbumrush]

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You guys really think you are helping by berating other members and ea on every post? How about some constructive criticism or posting on the wish list thread. I haven't seem one post on how to improve live from you guys other than things they should do to be more like 2k or ways by them releasing they can help 2k. We get it you guys hate live and have daddy issues now that he wants to be back in your lives again.

What exactly are people gong to put in a Wishlist thread when they have absolutely nothing to go on? Tell us man.

How do you add on to zero?

[Skopin]

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And again this is where we have a disconnect. For someone that's so concerned about speculation, you do a lot of it.

Firstly and I've pointed this out before. The team working on the game does not matter. Live has always had some of the best teams put together working on the series. Hell they had Mike Wang on the team. But it's the people above them that held back their visions. Everything we see right now, we've seen before. The articles, the quotes, the screenshots that look good, the tech demos explaining the vision for a better basketball game with features never seen before and multiple three year plans for building the series everyone wants and what happens is a broken mess of a game that doesn't represent the game of basketball and doesn't get fixed because the people over the team don't see the profit in it.

You are painting an inaccurate portrait. Why is it so hard to think the game might be good? I nor anybody else has said the game is going to be bad. We are simply commenting on events as they transpire or don't in this case. You guys seem to equate commentary on what is happening as "hating" on the game, or writing it off and all this other stuff. If the game is good, I'll buy it because I enjoy basketball games. NBA Live 10 is sitting on my shelf right now along with NBA 2K10. Buying two basketball games isn't an issue for me. However as I see things unfold in a way that I've seen it happen, I'm going to comment on it with my thoughts. Not sit here and pretend like a red flag isn't raised because somebody's feelings are going to be hurt that they can't sit around in ignorant bliss about the matter.

And once again, I don't care how other games have promoted themselves or what info they've released. Every other game you've mentioned hasn't been cancelled three years straight. The decision not to take advantage of the opportunity to jump on 2K right away shows me the same kind of questionable to poor decision making from the higher ups above the dev team (there's that same problem again) that we've seen this entire generation. That concerns me. That's why I point it out.

I'm not sure what you think I'm speculating about. I said to reserve judgement until we see gameplay. That's the opposite of speculation.

In any case, you're still bringing up the past to support your argument.

Every other game you've mentioned hasn't been cancelled three years straight

You're inferring that because they canceled previous iterations that this game will either be of poor quality or suffer the same fate.

The decision not to take advantage of the opportunity to jump on 2K right away shows me the same kind of questionable to poor decision making[...]

I could say that same thing in regards to 2k. Why would they not jump on the opportunity to finish Live off before they get a chance to release anything? You would think they would take advantage of the lull in information to step on their competitor.

I'm not saying that poor decisions haven't been made in the past. I'm not even saying that Live 14 is going to be any good. I'm simply saying wait and see. If the game is sub-par, we will see it. But so far, the only negativity I've seen about it is the marketing. Marketing has nothing to do with gameplay.

[Skopin]

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What exactly are people gong to put in a Wishlist thread when they have absolutely nothing to go on? Tell us man.

How do you add on to zero?

I'm not sure what you think "wish list" means.

[Sundown]

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What have they shown? What information do we have on next-gen 2k? We have a trailer from E3 and one other trailer that is being advertised as current gen (Available Now) when it airs on TV. 2k hasn't shown anything more than Live when it comes to next-gen.

On the other hand, while we haven't seen any gameplay footage from Live, they have, at the very least, released some information on what they are doing, and what game modes will be in the game.

2K showed more players in action than Kyrie. Also players actually shooting the ball. We don't even know if there's a working net in live yet. Lol.

Live "information" is just hype and less than useless until the game comes out given its history with "information". They're just words. We already know more about 2K even without any new info. At the minimum we know it should have solid gameplay like 2K current gen, which is hell of a lot more than we know about Live.

[Skopin]

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2K showed more players in action than Kyrie. Also players actually shooting the ball. We don't even know if there's a working net in live yet. Lol.

Live "information" is just hype and less than useless until the game comes out given its history with "information". They're just words. We already know more about 2K even without any new info. At the minimum we know it should have solid gameplay like 2K current gen, which is hell of a lot more than we know about Live.

2k's trailer showed a few animations, and nothing more. We know nothing about what game modes we'll see (although we know Crew won't be there). We know nothing about the differences or enhancements between current and next gen, outside of better graphics. If you'd like, I can pick their 5 seconds of footage apart from a gameplay perspective.

And here are 2 more faces:
http://s297.photobucket.com/user/Sko...elton.png.html

http://s297.photobucket.com/user/Skopin/media/TristanThompson.png.html

[Gosens6]

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2k's trailer showed a few animations, and nothing more. We know nothing about what game modes we'll see (although we know Crew won't be there). We know nothing about the differences or enhancements between current and next gen, outside of better graphics. If you'd like, I can pick their 5 seconds of footage apart from a gameplay perspective.

And here are 2 more faces:
http://s297.photobucket.com/user/Sko...elton.png.html

http://s297.photobucket.com/user/Skopin/media/TristanThompson.png.html

I'm sorry, but those two screens look nothing like a next gen game should. It's ugly, and iv'e tried to give this game the benefit of the doubt from the beginning, but those screens don't do the game justice at all.

[RayRay34]

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I ****ing give up. No reasoning to be had by some of these people what so ever. Live fans..... Enjoy the game if it releases. I'll be back once the game releases but for now I'm back to my 2k rosters!

[Boilerbuzz]

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2k's trailer showed a few animations, and nothing more. We know nothing about what game modes we'll see (although we know Crew won't be there). We know nothing about the differences or enhancements between current and next gen, outside of better graphics. If you'd like, I can pick their 5 seconds of footage apart from a gameplay perspective.

And here are 2 more faces:
http://s297.photobucket.com/user/Sko...elton.png.html

http://s297.photobucket.com/user/Skopin/media/TristanThompson.png.html

Hey man, can I just say that those pics do no favors for your position or Live? And you're twisting the man's words. He's saying that fans need to hold EA to a higher standard than they have in the past. And it is because they haven't that shares blame in the Live's ills. As for bringing in other next gen titles, they didn't fail the last 3 years, so the burden of proof is more on Live than those other titles. He's goes a little deeper, but that's the gist.

[Boilerbuzz]

NBA Live Interview with Gary Paterson

I'm not sure what you think "wish list" means.

He was replying to the assertion that no one is posting ideas to "improve" Live. Which is true. But, he's right in that there is no frame of reference. And you can't say Elite or Live 13 because they never came out AND were developed by a different team. One of the reasons others contend that they should be given a chance.

[yungflo]

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It just occurred to me that in the trailers, none of [made] baskets have been shown. It always cuts off when Irving is about to score. Nothing has been shown really, only the dribbling. There's no passing, no rebounding, no plays, sidelines. Just one player. Lol. Live is really taking the protected approach. I guess EA is afraid of being laughed by hard8times. [what ever happened to that dude?]

[Boilerbuzz]

NBA Live Interview with Gary Paterson

The problem is you and others jump on anybody who say something good about Live or like what we hear. How many times do you need to point it out? How many times are you going to say the same thing in different ways? I bet in this thread alone you over 10 times and counting.

This is an exaggeration. There are basically two groups that get "jumped on". The first one is the group that immediately start a pissing match concerning TOG. The other group is the one that wants to COMPLETELY throw out history and all too familiar patterns that led to tragedy in the past. That's when the fighting starts.

[Boilerbuzz]

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It just occurred to me that in the trailers, none of [made] baskets have been shown. It always cuts off when Irving is about to score. Nothing has been shown really, only the dribbling. There's no passing, no rebounding, no plays, sidelines. Just one player. Lol. Live is really taking the protected approach. I guess EA is afraid of being laughed by hard8times. [what ever happened to that dude?]

He's still posting vids of other mess.