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  • Skopin
    Banned
    • Aug 2010
    • 307

    #76
    Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

    Originally posted by stillfeelme
    Bounce Tek is to NBA Live as blades of grass is to Madden.
    What? 10char

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    • stillfeelme
      MVP
      • Aug 2010
      • 2407

      #77
      Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
      Believe me man, I know what you said, I read it already, no need to read it again. I got no issue with your opinions and expectations. As I said, I was simply pointing out that it was terrible logic to suggest that because they've talked about something over and over means they'll nail it.



      This is what you said. Seeing it in action, other people playing it and being impressed with it has nothing to do with the statement that "they have talked about it too much to not nail this." Talking about something repeatedly doesn't make it a working feature automatically like you were implying. Hell 2K wouldn't shut up about their ******* Insider and we see how that worked out.

      That was really all I was pointing out. For the most part I agreed with your post, I just thought that was poor logic shown and voiced it.

      I look at it from this perspective. If EA is actually releasing features or information about a failed franchise then it is important. They hide any and all information related to this franchise since Elite. Those Madden gimmicks will not work in basketball because there is competition. This is their big tech breakthrough. You have to put it all together but they are talking about it the most and promoting it the most because they are the most confident in that part of the game.

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      • NoTiCe_O
        Pro
        • May 2009
        • 969

        #78
        Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

        For everyone asking about emotions here you go.. It's in, and seems like it's gotten a major focus. Especially with games like UFC using the ignite engine, because facial emotions is one of their touted features.



        I can't figure out for the life of me how to embed videos but this should do until I figure it out.
        Twitter - @OtistheOriginal

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        • stillfeelme
          MVP
          • Aug 2010
          • 2407

          #79
          Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

          Originally posted by Skopin
          What? 10char

          That was a joke sort of but I meant it as this is what they are promoting so expect them to get it right this year in basketball. Not really a joke if you are a football fan though and expecting a big jump to next gen.

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          • bigeastbumrush
            My Momma's Son
            • Feb 2003
            • 19245

            #80
            Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

            Originally posted by MarkWilliam
            Hearing him talk about team authentic defences was a good listen......

            Thibs and the way the Bulls side screen and rolls.....if I see the Bulls playing ice defense on pick and roll and see the screen defender zoning low to take away the driving lane I will LOSE MY MIND! Haha...... as a Bulls user I would just LOVE to have the ability to play Bulls defense.....! Part of me thinks this might actually be possible with next gen capabilities and the in depth talk about how much focus was put into the screen and roll aspect of the game......

            Also enjoyed hearing him talk about the rim and net physics..... sounds like they actually put a small amount of focus on making this good (FINALLY) in a Live game..... hopefully their idea of good rim/net physics is the right idea.......

            DYING to see this stuff in action!
            If they were able to get variations to P&R defense into the game, it would be major.

            Color me skeptical though. Just going by the timeframe. It just doesn't seem plausible. I don't ever recall teams being able to do that in a game before.

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            • Sirs
              Banned
              • May 2013
              • 141

              #81
              Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

              Man you guys are crazy. I took his statement as if they are going to talk about that feature so much they better get it right not that because they are talking about it so much it will somehow make it the best feature ever.

              So pumped for live and can't wait for what hip hop has in store for us.

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              • Boilerbuzz
                D* B**rs!
                • Jul 2002
                • 5154

                #82
                Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                Originally posted by stillfeelme
                I look at it from this perspective. If EA is actually releasing features or information about a failed franchise then it is important. They hide any and all information related to this franchise since Elite. Those Madden gimmicks will not work in basketball because there is competition. This is their big tech breakthrough. You have to put it all together but they are talking about it the most and promoting it the most because they are the most confident in that part of the game.
                Then they are in trouble. Because if Bouncetek is their golden axe, it's nowhere near enough. Yes, I played with it. It was cool. Potentially. But even if it hits it's mark, it's nowhere near enough to make the game that much better. I still think that folks aren't reading between the lines on it. What's going to happen with responsiveness? I'll tell you now, the demo brought up some questions. So, yes, they are hanging their hats on this. But King is right, it's a bad assumption to assume they will nail it. They talked a lot about skill based shooting. Where'd that go? I said it back then - you can't balance a sports sim that way.

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                • Boilerbuzz
                  D* B**rs!
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5154

                  #83
                  Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Galla...

                  Originally posted by Sirs
                  Man you guys are crazy. I took his statement as if they are going to talk about that feature so much they better get it right not that because they are talking about it so much it will somehow make it the best feature ever.

                  So pumped for live and can't wait for what hip hop has in store for us.
                  Well, he hasn't denied that he was stating the latter. Actually reiterated it. So who is crazy again?

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                  • stillfeelme
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 2407

                    #84
                    Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                    Originally posted by Sirs
                    Man you guys are crazy. I took his statement as if they are going to talk about that feature so much they better get it right not that because they are talking about it so much it will somehow make it the best feature ever.

                    So pumped for live and can't wait for what hip hop has in store for us.
                    My point exactly if you going to come out talking Bounce tek, this Bounce tek that.. uh they clearly spent some considerable development time on dribbling, enough to show it off at E3. It is not that serious though everyone has their own opinion but they could have took my words differently anyway no big deal. I would be shocked if they didn't nail dribbling I wouldn't trust them further past 14.

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                    • King_B_Mack
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 24450

                      #85
                      Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                      Originally posted by stillfeelme
                      I look at it from this perspective. If EA is actually releasing features or information about a failed franchise then it is important. They hide any and all information related to this franchise since Elite. Those Madden gimmicks will not work in basketball because there is competition. This is their big tech breakthrough. You have to put it all together but they are talking about it the most and promoting it the most because they are the most confident in that part of the game.
                      Honestly I don't see the difference. You say those Madden gimmicks, those are EA gimmicks. Seeing them pull the same NBA.com crap with ESPN and their next-gen videos for Madden just confirms for me exactly what I've been fearing and saying all along. The people in charge, making decisions at EA haven't changed. We have another talented development team working on Live with a vision for the future that we can at least kind of get behind for the franchise, but the same goofs are pulling the strings over there. Them talking about that same feature, their "big tech breakthrough" is the same as it always is, their buzzword or catchphrase to settle in your mind and sound catchy. Just like 'Go to moves' before it, 'no canned animations,' 'hot spots and quickstrike ball-handling,' 'NBA Live 365 and dynamic DNA,' 'freestyle playmaking,' I could go on. There's always a buzzword that they push like what they're doing now.

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                      • Gosens6
                        All Star
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 6100

                        #86
                        Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                        Am I the only one concerned that there has been absolutely NO talk about post play? Or big man play in general? EA has NEVER been able to get this right. It's essential to have good post play, both offensively and defensively in an NBA game.

                        I feel like they did nothing but focus on smaller, quicker guards. Hell, those are the only type of players they brought in for mo-cap. Sometimes I really don't understand what these developers are thinking. It's like they want to make an NBA game where guys can just pick it up, put some ankle breakers on their friends and only play a 2v2 game, guards vs. guards. Where's the love for the PFs and Cs!?

                        Maybe they'll surprise me, but i'm not holding my breath

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                        • Skopin
                          Banned
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 307

                          #87
                          Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                          I love what he was saying about the pick & roll game. The best p&r controls I have ever played with were in Live 09. Hopefully this game delivers all around, because I have been hoping for a game with solid pick & roll mechanics on top of good AI.

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                          • stillfeelme
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 2407

                            #88
                            Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                            Originally posted by Boilerbuzz
                            Then they are in trouble. Because if Bouncetek is their golden axe, it's nowhere near enough. Yes, I played with it. It was cool. Potentially. But even if it hits it's mark, it's nowhere near enough to make the game that much better. I still think that folks aren't reading between the lines on it. What's going to happen with responsiveness? I'll tell you now, the demo brought up some questions. So, yes, they are hanging their hats on this. But King is right, it's a bad assumption to assume they will nail it. They talked a lot about skill based shooting. Where'd that go? I said it back then - you can't balance a sports sim that way.
                            I will also add this nailing signature dribbling shouldn't be a hard concept to do if you have the motion capture resources available and time to get it in. I never claimed dribbling would save this game because if the rest of the gameplay is a$$ not many will buy it point blank period. Actually I said this above. The point about skill based shooting I don't even see how that is mentioned.


                            Skill based shooting doesn't even belong in the conversation. You can't "nail" shooting by making it a stick skill. That feature isn't in Live14 and was a bad concept/idea in Elite11 in my opinion. There is a difference between trying to bring about a new skill for shot success based on skill vs. "nailing" signature dribbling. So when they were talking that stick skill stuff in Elite11 I wasn't buying it. I actually had no intentions of buying Elite11 because it appeared arcadey and the animations were wonky. I really don't care what they were saying in Elite11 because it is a totally different view with 14. Hockey guy didn't know what he was doing and they didn't see enough success in Live 10 which was their best effort.

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                            • NoTiCe_O
                              Pro
                              • May 2009
                              • 969

                              #89
                              Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                              Originally posted by Gosens6
                              Am I the only one concerned that there has been absolutely NO talk about post play? Or big man play in general? EA has NEVER been able to get this right. It's essential to have good post play, both offensively and defensively in an NBA game.

                              I feel like they did nothing but focus on smaller, quicker guards. Hell, those are the only type of players they brought in for mo-cap. Sometimes I really don't understand what these developers are thinking. It's like they want to make an NBA game where guys can just pick it up, put some ankle breakers on their friends and only play a 2v2 game, guards vs. guards. Where's the love for the PFs and Cs!?

                              Maybe they'll surprise me, but i'm not holding my breath
                              He said in one of the very first questions that NBA Live 10 had about 80 metacritic score and you could only shoot over one shoulder in the post. So to me it's an obvious hint that the post game will definitely have some improvements, at least to the point where you can shoot over either shoulder.

                              Also in one of the very first diaries Sean O'Brien stated they wanted to nail the post game. I for one love the post game and have been clamoring about it from the very beginning, but I think they have a process going on and their not sharing every detail until the game is complete as Scott said. Instead of releasing "Work in Progress" videos.
                              Twitter - @OtistheOriginal

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                              • Gosens6
                                All Star
                                • Oct 2007
                                • 6100

                                #90
                                Re: Operation Sports - Press Row Podcast: NBA Live 14 Gameplay with Scott O’Gallagher

                                Originally posted by NoTiCe_O
                                He said in one of the very first questions that NBA Live 10 had about 80 metacritic score and you could only shoot over one shoulder in the post. So to me it's an obvious hint that the post game will definitely have some improvements, at least to the point where you can shoot over either shoulder.

                                Also in one of the very first diaries Sean O'Brien stated they wanted to nail the post game. I for one love the post game and have been clamoring about it from the very beginning, but I think they have a process going on and their not sharing every detail until the game is complete as Scott said. Instead of releasing "Work in Progress" videos.
                                I hope so man, because like I said, you can't have an NBA game without a good post game. It's just simply not possible. EA has always been very guard oriented, but that just won't fly anymore.

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