NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

[mlp111]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

Well my friend, If NBA Live 14 plays like real basketball... You must mean another country. It certainly doesn't play, move, or feel like American basketball (USA). Game is more like YMCA style pickup game.

[kingpnp3]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

What part of 'basketball chess' is a help defender getting into a random defensive stance while a player is driving to the basket, and then awkwardly jumping parallel to the ball handler, in no way contesting the shot?

dont screen shot the video. watch the video. see this is how screen shots LIE. the video doesnt. the guy contested my dunk. there was contact at the rim. you can see my off arm slightly pushing him off.

the big man defender was right outside of the key guarding his man(since i have been going to the post a lot using my big. so he had to honor that guy and not play off of him(real basketball).

when i made that spin move on my guy. the floor was wide open. dont act like this doesnt occur in the half court at times. it does. if your big man has been going to work on the block they have to guard him tighter PRE-PASS. which makes more room for you. (REAL HOOP). the better scorer you are on the block the more attention you draw.

how do you think kobe use to dunk on people when shaq was on his team. sure shaq somewhat clogged the lane at times. but other time's he kept the bigman occupied with the threat of him scoring. more room for kobe after he broke down the perimeter player.

1. blow by my man on the perimeter.
2. the center (defender) is late sliding over. he's trying to slide over for the charge/clog the lane. but i take off and catch him off guard. he then jumps backwards(slightly) because thats all he could do. its to late. DUNKED ON.(this is real life).

nice try though.

the better angle see below.

[kingpnp3]

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in regards to my screen shot reply above. all big men are not made equal. if that guy was more athletic and quicker. he would've been able to get in front of me faster. and jump where he would've been directly in front of me. now he still would've caught the wrath and got dunked on. cause the guy was just to far away from the start to be able to slide over and jump and block my dunk. this taller, slower lateral big guy just didnt have the agility to do it. he Tried. the fact that live 14 showed you an animation with the defender jumping backwards slightly tells you how realistic it is. it noticed he was not where he should've been so to compensate he attempted to jump backwards. cause thats all he could do at that point.

[kingpnp3]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

Well my friend, If NBA Live 14 plays like real basketball... You must mean another country. It certainly doesn't play, move, or feel like American basketball (USA). Game is more like YMCA style pickup game.

more funny replies without proof. prove it. i have my proof right here. where's yours? and dont do what that last poster tried to do. show a bogus screen shot at a bad angle to prove a point. and dont confuse me saying it plays like real hoop to mean it looks like real hoop graphically. we know the graphics are lacking for a next gen situation. and we know while you're playing you cant see this much detail that i've posted. we all agree there. no reason to rehash that stuff. but the basic mechanics of the game are definitely pointing to a realistic basketball sim.

[kingpnp3]

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I give you one element. That there is a small, immature group that refuse to give the game a chance. That's true. But you are wrong in the reasons why. The MAIN reason why those people take that stance is because they feel that they have been burned enough by this franchise! The fact that it doesn't look good to them, is only to support that mistrust.



You do a LOT of reading between the lines don't you? You know what they say about assuming. But, let's say there is something to this. If someone likes to play a certain style, and one game still holds up when playing that style, then of course they won't like another game that falls apart when they play to their style. Live doesn't have to play like 2k. It just has to hold up. And it doesn't. And that is on the game. Not the user.



Bull****. Plain and simple bull****. You can't sit there and claim the Simnation banner just because you want to. This is straight up ignorance and arrogance talking. "I'm right, and if you don't agree with me, you're stupid". Like I said, a sport like basketball has a infinite number of valid SIMULATION play styles. The guys you're arguing with know basketball. They have always wanted more sim. Few regular posters on OS fail to fall into this category. So to say this is insulting and arrogant.



So, basically, all anyone has to say is "I like the foundation" and they are granted Simnation knighthood? You're the king, right? Or should I say der Fuehrer? And there we go again with that nebulous term: "foundation".



So you choose to ignore the really bad sliding that is in the game? Btw, foot planting doesn't make up for unrealistic physical warping.



You guys really should leave comparison to 2k out of your arguments. It's an auto fail. The game looks better. Plays better. Has shipped. Any measure you want to compare, you will likely lose. Not to mention you are take piecemeal quotes to your convenience. The only time you're heard 2k take about giving you that broadcast experience is in context of the visuals and presentation. The gameplay team has ALWAYS trumpeted and strived for sim. So, get rid of that argument right there. And even if that was the case, what you see on TV IS real basketball. So, what's the point of even trying to make that distinction?




OK. Doesn't blow. It is just not sim... Really? The things people are asking for and complain about aren't sim aspects? Really?! Realistic physics models. Realistic player movement. Realistic outcomes to colliding players. Realistic decisions by help defenders. Yeah. Got it. That stuff only happens in video games.



The problem is that in Live, you're likely to get unrealistic outcomes. The plays do not unfold or resolve as they should and there are many videos that show this.

Sorry boiler. we will never agree. even if live looks great if they decide to actually do what they say and make it pretty.

because you lean towards how 2k makes the game. there was a reason it took me so many years to hop on 2k. there's a reason even though i converted and left live in the trash for years. i always knew some game would come along and break away from the animations based gameplay. is that 2k? not yet. is that live? it seems like it. but 2k looks better, and we're use to playing 2k. so we already know the controls. there's little learning curve.
so pick up and play.

i'm giving you vid after vid proving that it plays realistic, i just showed you in another video the defense sliding over(late but i also explained why it was late). see that previous post you made you tried to tell me i was looking into deeply when i said why certain things happened in the first vid. how on earth would you know this unless you were under the hood with live? you wouldnt. so that tells me all i need to know. boiler REFUSES to see anything else but what he wants to. and he THINKS i refuse to see anything else but what i want to. so thats that.

see i'm giving you video evidence to prove my point. not just talking points. not just some hearsay stuff. and i guess i have to keep hitting you with more proof. i'll do just that. then we will see if you're just going to stick to your guns regardless or if you're actually open minded on the subject.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

That reply was full of so much crap I don't know where to start...I mean if you posted Kings response I would've had a bit more respect for it...instead of copping to what was clearly bad help defense...you come with a paragraph of excuses...hilarious...just because your put REAL BBALL!! in parenthesis every other sentence doesn't mean your saying anything of substance

...your acting like blowing by/ spinning past your man is revolutionary in basketball gaming...This "video evidence" isn't showing anyone anything...saying phrases like "attacking the foot" because you watched some Better Basketball videos means nothing...it's just over analyzation and in some cases down right making things up (Lol at the dunking player supposedly using his off hand and that not being a set animation)

[kingpnp3]

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That reply was full of so much crap I don't know where to start...I mean if you posted Kings response I would've had a bit more respect for it...instead of copping to what was clearly bad help defense...you come with a paragraph of excuses...hilarious...just because your put REAL BBALL!! in parenthesis every other sentence doesn't mean your saying anything of substance

...your acting like blowing by/ spinning past your man is revolutionary in basketball gaming...This "video evidence" isn't showing anyone anything...saying phrases like "attacking the foot" because you watched some Better Basketball videos means nothing...it's just over analyzation and in some cases down right making things up (Lol at the dunking player supposedly using his off hand and that not being a set animation)

i see, to much proof for you. when you cant use a bad angle screen shot and i come in and prove that incorrect. break it down piece by piece. now i'm over analyzing it. wow. i guess as long as i say the opposite of you i'm over analyzing it. if i dont get in line and say "everything about nba live sucks except for the espn presentation." then i'mover analyzing it. there's no winning with you guys because you REFUSE to see what is right there. you want to hold onto what you THOUGHT you knew about the game. when someone that knows how to explain it comes along. they are now over analyzing it. lol

well get ready for more over analysis.

[Boilerbuzz]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

more funny replies without proof. prove it. i have my proof right here. where's yours? and dont do what that last poster tried to do. show a bogus screen shot at a bad angle to prove a point. and dont confuse me saying it plays like real hoop to mean it looks like real hoop graphically. we know the graphics are lacking for a next gen situation. and we know while you're playing you cant see this much detail that i've posted. we all agree there. no reason to rehash that stuff. but the basic mechanics of the game are definitely pointing to a realistic basketball sim.

Just because your posts include arbitrary videos doesn't make it proof of your points.


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[blackceasar]

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Sorry boiler. we will never agree. even if live looks great if they decide to actually do what they say and make it pretty.

because you lean towards how 2k makes the game. there was a reason it took me so many years to hop on 2k. there's a reason even though i converted and left live in the trash for years. i always knew some game would come along and break away from the animations based gameplay. is that 2k? not yet. is that live? it seems like it. but 2k looks better, and we're use to playing 2k. so we already know the controls. there's little learning curve.
so pick up and play.

i'm giving you vid after vid proving that it plays realistic, i just showed you in another video the defense sliding over(late but i also explained why it was late). see that previous post you made you tried to tell me i was looking into deeply when i said why certain things happened in the first vid. how on earth would you know this unless you were under the hood with live? you wouldnt. so that tells me all i need to know. boiler REFUSES to see anything else but what he wants to. and he THINKS i refuse to see anything else but what i want to. so thats that.

see i'm giving you video evidence to prove my point. not just talking points. not just some hearsay stuff. and i guess i have to keep hitting you with more proof. i'll do just that. then we will see if you're just going to stick to your guns regardless or if you're actually open minded on the subject.

Grasping at straws here. It all boils down to the fact that EA Sports put out a game that should have been priced around 19.99 and then explained why it was going for so cheap. THAT right there would have avoided ALL of this.

Plays real, doesn't play real... when you feel the need to go through all this trouble of video evidence, building a case, etc it makes.... well.... it makes me chuckle.

We don't need to call 65 witness to the stand, have 50031 pages of testimony, a judge a jury, and reporters to point out whether you want to believe it or not EA SPORTS PUT OUT A VERY BAD GAME RELATIVE TO ALL THE TALK THEY WERE SPEWING OUT WHEN THEY SCRAPPED THEIR LAST EFFORT SOME 2+ YEARS AGO!!!

Why are you working so hard to defend the game and EA? You don't need to do that. You are making yourself look well... I won't say the word.. OR you are making yourself look like you happen to be some guy that works at EA with his own person OS account and username. Not at all saying you are... but this much effort you are putting into a game that the general consensus across the board with the majority of sports gaming fans, AND reviewers are all coming back saying the same thing.

You defended the game when you blew your 60.00 on it.. good for you, that's nice.. but don't get all worked up because others.. A LOT of others have higher standards and will HOLD EA Sports to a higher standard.

I understand if you're not "that guy"...

Truth is, the emperor has no clothes.

Nuff said.

[kingpnp3]

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Grasping at straws here. It all boils down to the fact that EA Sports put out a game that should have been priced around 19.99 and then explained why it was going for so cheap. THAT right there would have avoided ALL of this.

Plays real, doesn't play real... when you feel the need to go through all this trouble of video evidence, building a case, etc it makes.... well.... it makes me chuckle.

We don't need to call 65 witness to the stand, have 50031 pages of testimony, a judge a jury, and reporters to point out whether you want to believe it or not EA SPORTS PUT OUT A VERY BAD GAME RELATIVE TO ALL THE TALK THEY WERE SPEWING OUT WHEN THEY SCRAPPED THEIR LAST EFFORT SOME 2+ YEARS AGO!!!

Why are you working so hard to defend the game and EA? You don't need to do that. You are making yourself look well... I won't say the word.. OR you are making yourself look like you happen to be some guy that works at EA with his own person OS account and username. Not at all saying you are... but this much effort you are putting into a game that the general consensus across the board with the majority of sports gaming fans, AND reviewers are all coming back saying the same thing.

You defended the game when you blew your 60.00 on it.. good for you, that's nice.. but don't get all worked up because others.. A LOT of others have higher standards and will HOLD EA Sports to a higher standard.

I understand if you're not "that guy"...

Truth is, the emperor has no clothes.

Nuff said.

now you're worried about if i blew my money on it or not. there's a nice demo for anyone who wants it for less then $19.99. its called FREE.
if you were wondering how the game would play and if you just couldnt trust it. by all means download the demo and dont drop off any cash their way. i dont have a problem with that at all. its your choice. and a respected choice at that.

but with that said. basically the idea goes, dont break down why a game is a lot better in its foundation then people realized or even want to admit. because doing so means the game is terrible. thats what you've pretty much stated.

here's the deal. when people run on line and run with the pack because the IN thing to do is to bash something. whatever that may be. most people lose sight of the details, the small things that may be right with the thing you are bashing the most.

everyone doesnt have to fall in lock step with that line of thinking. i'm sorry i can break things apart, take the good and throw out the bad. i dont need to throw the baby out with the bath water. thats what you guys do.

which is also why you are the same ones complaining about 2k(the game you love) in a few months after the thrill of the sexy graphics die off.

and there's nothing wrong with complaining. you paid your hard earned money, complain until the sun comes up. my thing is this. before i complain. i will search to see if i can find an example of what i would like to see changed. then i say here 2k, you see this. this is something you guys should implement in your game.

this is what happened with the dribbling mechanics for 2k. i remember OS and other sites hating on nba lives dribbling. i recall a select few people i would read about stating it was as close to a realistic feel you could get with a controller to real dribbling and control. those few people caught hell all over the net. and then it happened. then people played 2k for longer and longer. and they got over the cuteness. and they wanted MORE control without having to wait for an animation to end.

the complaints started rolling in to 2k. people started saying "hey, make your dribbling similar or like nba lives" . a few games later they have pretty much done that.

this is how it works for me. i want the best basketball game possible. not just the best basketball game by default. thats what 2k is right now. its a good game. but it isnt great. but seems like it is in comparison to its low level comp. i dont judge like that. thats like someone telling me dwight howard is the best center in the nba. sure he is. if you want to be technical(you might go with hibbert). but i know dwight needs a lot of polish to truly be GREAT among greats that have played this game. i refuse to sit by and accept the status quo choice just because the comp isnt the greatest. i will take what i like from any other game and tell them PUT THIS in your game. and go back and tell the other guys hey you see what 2k did there with the graphics, facial expressions etc. copy them.

[iseedeadpeople]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

Things you should defend:

Country
Honor
Family
Land
Dignity


Places you should never try to defend anything on:

Internet


That makes this thread and it's creator 0 for 2. Save that energy to play the game you enjoy. Less time making videos trying to prove something that can't be proven, more time enjoying your purchase.

[kingpnp3]

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Just because your posts include arbitrary videos doesn't make it proof of your points.


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sorry those videos show proof. there's nothing arbitrary about it. you just refuse to see whats right in front of you. you dont hear me saying this game looks great. this game is better then 2k. that would be a lie.

i'm being honest about the pieces they did well and have a good foundation in. no less, and no more.

you refuse to see that because you're in bash live mode with the rest of the crowd. go ahead and bash them but bash them for the points they deserve it on. dont just sweep bash them Your game sucks, all of it. thats not true at all.

one of the definitions for Arbitrary = not based on reason or evidence.

well that cant be my posts. cause i've given you a ton of reason and evidence. you just dont like what i've given you. even though it explains my points well.

[kingpnp3]

Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)

Things you should defend:

Country
Honor
Family
Land
Dignity


Places you should never try to defend anything on:

Internet


That makes this thread and it's creator 0 for 2. Save that energy to play the game you enjoy. Less time making videos trying to prove something that can't be proven, more time enjoying your purchase.

LOL another one of these responses. so you are telling me stop wasting my time. wait. didnt you just waste your time telling me to stop wasting my time?

what part of my post says i'm not enjoying certain aspects of the game? so dont need you permission dad to enjoy the game.

these kind of post prove my point. if you're not down with the group you shouldnt post. thats the mob mentality we have going on. agree with us or you're stupid, you're wasting your time, you're over analyzing it.


you guys really need to learn how to deal with people who dont agree with you and have legitimate reasons why. without these kind of replies.

[iseedeadpeople]

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LOL another one of these responses. so you are telling me stop wasting my time. wait. didnt you just waste your time telling me to stop wasting my time?

what part of my post says i'm not enjoying certain aspects of the game? so dont need you permission dad to enjoy the game.

these kind of post prove my point. if you're not down with the group you shouldnt post. thats the mob mentality we have going on. agree with us or you're stupid, you're wasting your time, you're over analyzing it.


you guys really need to learn how to deal with people who dont agree with you and have legitimate reasons why. without these kind of replies.

I just thought you would have been better off ENJOYING YOUR PURCHASE, than wasting your precious time on earth trying to defend a freaking video game. Your posting is so riddled with anger you do not even take time to read my whole reply before going into yet another diatribe.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Sorry boiler. we will never agree. even if live looks great if they decide to actually do what they say and make it pretty.

because you lean towards how 2k makes the game. there was a reason it took me so many years to hop on 2k. there's a reason even though i converted and left live in the trash for years. i always knew some game would come along and break away from the animations based gameplay. is that 2k? not yet. is that live? it seems like it. but 2k looks better, and we're use to playing 2k. so we already know the controls. there's little learning curve. so pick up and play. .

First, you don't know how I lean. I lean toward any game that isn't broken. Hell, I had Live before many people in this forum, thanks to Best Buy. So, what is "animation based gameplay"? It really is crazy how you guys make up terms that make no sense at all. And all of it based on assumptions to fit your narrative.

i'm giving you vid after vid proving that it plays realistic, i just showed you in another video the defense sliding over(late but i also explained why it was late). see that previous post you made you tried to tell me i was looking into deeply when i said why certain things happened in the first vid.

You haven't PROVEN anything. You show a video of a defender sliding to his left out of the lane to the basket, and the dribbler taking advantage of it. Period. That's all that was there. You make up all this other stuff about his feet, hips, and hands. Yet the main thing that led to that drive was the fact that the defender moved out of the way. You show another clip where a player clips through a defender that was in his path. All of your discernible evidence is completely circumstantial at best.

how on earth would you know this unless you were under the hood with live?

And how would YOU?

you wouldnt. so that tells me all i need to know. boiler REFUSES to see anything else but what he wants to. and he THINKS i refuse to see anything else but what i want to. so thats that.

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Hello, pot. I'm kettle. How have you been? You are right.

then we will see if you're just going to stick to your guns regardless or if you're actually open minded on the subject.

Or how about we agree to disagree and you have fun with your "simulator". I don't really care of you prefer this game or the next. Doesn't affect me that you see cream where the rest of the world sees curdled milk. Just stop trying to come in here trying to sell people a bill of goods. I'm sure most have had enough of that from the actual companies. Why must it come from you guys? The existence of this thread is just that.


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