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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
I may be weird, but I really like this game. idk maybe I'm just a live buff, but I really like how it controls. I like the controls a lot. Of course there are some quirks but that rush when you just missed steal by jumping the passing lanes and you have to scramble, and you scramble correctly and you end up with a halfcourt chase down block off the backboard. #WHOA! #LIVEISBACK!!!!!!Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
Alright, this game plays like REAL BASKETBALL? Does it really? Boy, I would love for you guys to drop your knowledge of real basketball on me and tell me why these things happen consistently in the game... I'll wait.
1. Why oh why does the CPU do nothing but ISO all game? Even with this Synergy mess activated, the CPU will sometimes pick the most random player to ISO every single time up the court. If it's not a superstar, it's a random scrub center who just does a stupid turn around, jump hook. That's not basketball, AT ALL.
2. Rebounding. Guys just STANDING there, not jumping, not putting there hands out, NOTHING. Just standing there, letting the ball roll off their foots for the other team to slowly scoop up. Not basketball.
3. Oh boy oh boy, THE SPACING. Iv'e seen some of you defend the spacing to no end! Do you wanna know why the spacing seems to look so good? Because AI teammates DON'T MOVE! They just stand there, not moving. The computer is worse in this regard, which is the reason why they do nothing but ISO.
4. That hop-step! You tell me one real basketball game where guys can just hopstep through defenders, with no contest, no foul, no charge, no contact, and just lay the ball in every time down the court. Not real basketball.
5. Don't even get me started on the animations, real basketball players don't move or look like that when playing, plain and simple.
This game is NOT real basketball, it's not even close. For all the people trying to defend this game and say it is, i'm having a hard time believing that you even watch basketball, because this is a spit in the face of any real basketball fan. Those 5 points aren't even the only things wrong with the core foundation of the game. It struggles to even be an arcade game because of how *** **** slow it moves.
It's like they purposely made the game extra slow, made everyone move like they had super glue on their shoes so they could create this mirage of a slowed down, simulation game. If you actually watched REAL basketball, you would know this game doesn't even come close. If I were EA I would seriously be embarassed. And judging by that apology letter, they already are. They know they suckered people into being nothing but beta testers, and the people who bought the game that realized this fact are finally calling them out.
I have NO faith for Live 15, this three year plan will be a complete bust. That studio just cannot make good basketball games, at least not without outside help (NBA Live 10).
If you enjoy this game, good for you, but don't try and pretend that it plays like the most sim game of real basketball ever, because it doesn''t even come close to doing so.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
Nobody has to pay me to be honest. The game plays realistically whether you like EA or not. It seems a lot of people are just waiting for the moment to bash Live because they're don't like at EAsports as a whole, and other people just have a bias against EA because they took away their beloved NFL 2k5. AS for me I see a game for what it is, I don't care who makes it, if it plays like basketball I'll say, and NBA Live 14 is some of the most legit basketball I've seen in a while.
Prime example, I was watching a stream yesterday and the guy was playing an online match; Heat vs. the Clippers. Now the guy hosting the stream was the Heat... and he just tried to cheese the entire game. Running to the corner hosting up threes, hop stepping all game, trying to force his way the paint, but it was obvious he didn't really care about playing basketball. Now his opponent on the other hand was "playing basketball".
The guy scored 16 in the first quarter hop stepping with LeBron and was up by about 4 after the first quarter. Next thing you know his opponent calls a timeout and you could tell he made adjustments. He gets back on the court and LeBron has to deal with a double team.. EVERY TIME (Wade too for safe measure). The thing I like the most was the double teams actually made LeBron pick up his dribble, it wasn't some canned animation forcing you into a jump ball but LeBron was actually trapped and couldn't go anywhere unless he passed or shot; it was pure basketball bliss.
I think Lebron went about 5-30 for the rest of the game. He continually tried to hopstep and the defense was there every time, no animations helping him out. Every shot was contested and the defense would just trap him almost every time because he obviously didn't have the dribbling controls familiarized. We all know defense wins championships and Live sure makes playing defense rewarding.
Best part is at the end of the game his opponent was actually showing off with the dribbling moves lol, crossing him up and hitting open treys with Crawford I couldn't help but laugh.
I'd never been so happy to see a cheeser get what he deserved.
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
thanks for actually attempting to address the Original point. i see everyone else was afraid to do so.
now to your point. you are incorrect about the foot planting, balance weight shifting. I explained to you using a coaches website(those words were not mine). on multiple ways to attack the foot.
like i said, i dont do youtube vids. so i didnt go thru with narration. stoppin the video and pulling it back. this is why you probably think what you think after watching it. and thats my fault.
so here's your narration.
the ball is passed to harrison barnes from the left side of the screen(viewer's left). while he's attempting to catch it ME(Nick Young) is coming from the right side to defend barnes on the catch.
Barnes then triple threats using his LEFT SIDE(ball is on his left hip). I immediatley tap cut off his right hand by cutting off that angle. watch how me(Young) has his right foot forward and left foot at an angle, right hand closest to the ball, left hand out. this means barnes cant go hard LEFT. the nagle is cut off.
Barnes recognizes this. So he then gets out of a triple threat position and puts the ball in his RIGHT hand.
Me(young) i open up defenisvely . but i didnt open up wide enough. my feet are too close together because i'm not sure he's going right or left. This is the beginning of the end of me basically. because my feet were to close together and i didnt choose to cut off the angle to the right as soon as he switch hands. i also should've back off a half a step. i was to close to a guy that isnt a known shooter but is very athletic and will drive on you. my(young's) mistake.
Harrison barnes immediately attacks my Left foot, because he can tell i didnt cut it all the way off. but if you notice i'm not chest to chest with him. so he couldnt just blow by me like i wasnt there. so now he has to choses. try to speed by me hard right(which would've worked, i may have bumped him slightly. but that would be that.
Barnes chooses to do what i posted and quoted from a coaching website. lets look at it again,
"Lean-in-on-direction then go-in-the-other move. With these moves, you fake in one direction and get the defense leaning that way, and then explode past them in the opposite direction."
^^thats exactly how barnes attacked my foot he chose to attack my left foot because he knew i not balanced enough nor did it completely cut off the right side. i was in no mans land so to speak. Barnes then leans towards his right side with his right hand dribble but pushes the ball back towards his left side(never had to fully cross over. drexler use to do this to people since he didnt have a left hand to save his life. the guy averaged like 25 for a very long time going all right but doing right and dribbles that are almost like crossovers, from what you see in this video.)
Ones barnes shifts his weight, he leans with that right shoulder. i open up the wrong way. i should've hopped backwards to Barnes' left side. but i attempted to slide over normally not cut off the angle. my bad again. he gets his shoulder by me and its over. This mistake i made is the same mistake you see the REAL nick young make in real life(he's getting better on the lakers now i will admit.)
I didnt have to find that from coaching website because this is how i use to lock people up on defense in REAL LIFE> playing the angles vs athletic quicky guys. it works.
Once i got the hang of playing on ball defense with live(and i still have a long way to go but i'm at last no longer a novice). i now know how to cut off angles, even while hopping backwards half a step to stop from getting blow by. i also know how to cut off angles early then slide over to keep MOST guys from just using the lean tactic you see in this video.
people that showed those videos who were getting blown by. DID NOT KNOW HOW TO PLAY DEFENSE. which is why they were getting destroyed by the CPU.
i'm telling you Boiler, i have never played a game on a PRO level where the offensive players attack you like this. its on another level. most games even on its highest level when you defend a guy he may attack you. but usually it takes a moment for the cpu to compute "i can take this guy off the dribble" you've seen this with old lives and with 2ks, old, current gen and next gen 14).
these nba live cpu offensive guys are going at you darn near like real life. it only takes them a quarter of the time it use to take the other basketball games to notice "i got this guy."
they wont stop attacking you either. the worse you are on defense. the less you know about defensive angles and how to play the pick n roll/pop. the more trouble you will have guarding EVERY pg in the nba. you know why? because thats how it is now in the real nba. these guards are ungaurdable due to rules where you can hand checked them like in the 90's or arm bar them like the early 2000's. if you do the ref can hit you with a ticky tack foul. and now every single team in the nba is running pick n rolls like utah jazz did in the 90's. that means even if you are quick enough to defend the other pg. you still can barely guard him alone because you're constantly getting picked off. so you have to know when to jump the screen. or shade(which direction), trap the ball handler. back off cause he cant shoot or you just want to pick your poison and back off cause you're sick of the guy killing you to the rack lol.
NBA LIVE has REAL LIFE basketball mechanics within the game. do not miss out on it because you hate the way it LOOKS. and like we see EA just admitted they need to do a much better job with the look of the game. SO their real hoop mechanics can translate better. boiler, i'm not saying this as a nba live fan boy. i'm saying this as a basketball game guru. i've been playing these hoop games since double dribble. when i tell you this thing has some stuff no game has ever had i'm am not bs'ing you . play the game/demo some more. read the controls. learn them
This same thing holds true about post players. they attack you to death. they dont stop. i was playing with my lakers again vs the warriors(last nights real matchup). if you know anything about gstate vs the lakers you know david lee gives my lakers the business every single time. we actually some what held him in check last night in real life. bout time lol. but gasol is taller and slower then lee. lee knows this. so he uses his speed to get around gasol often. bogut has moves on the block as well. i still dont know how to play proper post defense. i'm better then i was at first. but i still am not good enough vs any team with legit post player. these guys are getting me in the post, back down back down, drop step. bucket. i finally realize how to feel the offensive guy and slide over, to cut off that angle. bam fake the drop step, spin back for the baby lean in shot or hook. i'm getting worked over. as mad as i am i have to be impressed with the CPU attacking me like this.
i've played vs some real nba players in real life. i've played vs some D-1 players in real life. no i never played in the nba, no i never played d-1 ball(by choice). but i've ran leagues where these guys would show up from time to time. nick young, and jru are two of them that would pop up. i've also played against and with a lot of street ballers(and 1 mixtape which is now ball up- i know the owners). these guys are all the same. whats make them different from the average good baller with length, height, and athleticism is that they will NEVER stop attacking you. they are relentless. so imagine the nba is a court full of never stop guys, with the lbj's dwades, durants and kobe's at the top of that food chain. this nba live has real life hoop mechanics in it. you have to respect it. and then start requesting every basketball game that comes out has the same mechanics in it as well. OR maybe you or some people dont want a game thats, this difficult to master and to play. because even if you learn all the controls but you dont know how to play basketbal(Low hoop iq). you will still get worked over.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
1. Are you playing on superstar? How are you playing defense? I'm just wondering because I haven't seen much random Isoing.
2. Something to be improved on, just like post defense. Not a game-breaker though.
3. Turn Auto Motion on, the game expects you to have the basketball knowledge to call some type of play.
4. Hop step can be stopped with good defense.
5. Animation really aren't all as bad as everyone's making them out to be, most times it's the physical interactions that look indifferent, but it's also something that's only going to get better with time. Not a game-breaker in my opinion. I'm actually done with animations taking over a game, it's nice to have control even if it's at the expense of a few quirky animations once in a while.
I can't say the most sim game of basketball ever, but a sim game most definitely. The basketball chess match is there, and in a high intensity tournament with a bunch of competent players, I can really see Live being a game where the user (coach) with the most stick skill and more importantly basketball knowledge being the winner. It's a balanced game of basketball.
Also I think the players are extremely quick depending on who your using, I've seen James Harden and Jamal Crawford pull of some lighting fast moves. (If you know how to dribble that is.)Twitter - @OtistheOriginalComment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
[quote=Gosens6;2045699574]Alright, this game plays like REAL BASKETBALL? Does it really? Boy, I would love for you guys to drop your knowledge of real basketball on me and tell me why these things happen consistently in the game... I'll wait.
1. Why oh why does the CPU do nothing but ISO all game? Even with this Synergy mess activated, the CPU will sometimes pick the most random player to ISO every single time up the court. If it's not a superstar, it's a random scrub center who just does a stupid turn around, jump hook. That's not basketball, AT ALL.
^^^actually it doesn’t do iso’s all the time. They run plays. But most of the players start with the pg. they run a lot of pick n rolls, pops. If you are a terrible man defender. And you crowd an athletic guy. Scub or not. They will blow by you. They will keep doing this. The pg will keep giving the ball to that same so called scrub to abuse you. THIS IS REAL LIFE my friend. You don’t realize nba scrubs are better then probably anyone you know personally. Unless you know other nba players. They are scrubs vs other nba guys. The difference with you controlling a nba player and not understanding how to play proper defense. Means you have a great nba player like say LBJ with all of his athleticism vs lets say tony allen(who is an offensive scrub so to speak). But if you don’t have the basketball IQ to use your athleticism properly. You will get blown by when matched up with tony allen. Who is very athletic but isn’t some great scorer. That is very realistic. You have to stop him properly first. Once you do this a few times. The cpu will stop trying it. They will go to something else. Once I learned how to guard the pg, they start diming it off to the rolling big. Once I learned how to switch in time to cut that off or cut off the passing lane. The pg would pass the ball to an open shooter or some guy going back door. The better you play defense the more in depth the offense becomes. But you would not know this unless you first learned the controls(which will take awhile. And thank Dumb EA for not putting in a training mode for this. That’s their 2<sup>nd</sup> biggest flaw after the subpar graphics/cameras). #2 you will then have to understand proper basketball defense. If you only know how the controls work but you don’t know proper defense. You will still have issues. You need to know BOTH.
2. Rebounding. Guys just STANDING there, not jumping, not putting there hands out, NOTHING. Just standing there, letting the ball roll off their foots for the other team to slowly scoop up. Not basketball.
NEVER seen this happen at all. But I believe you. Now I will say this playing 2k people are use to the CPU doing a ton of work for them. They are use to staying on one guy most of the time only playing offense for the most part. Guys that play 2k play a ton of off ball defense. Don’t go get rebounds a lot themselves they let the cpu bigs do it. Now this is just an opinion. I personally want to have to go get most of my boards. I don’t want my cpu guys locking up the guy with the ball. Slowing him down so I have time to switch. Sure. But not locking my guys up.i want to do that. But again this is just an opinion of mines. Everyone doesn’t like to play that way. Again I believe what you said happens even though I personally did not have that issue. I play with the lakers a lot. Jordan hill is all over the glass(cpu player version). I played vs gstate last night. David lee and bogut were really on the glass. Bogut had a lot of rebounds and dunk put backs(not tip jams). But this stems from those stupid camera angles. If I had a nice 2k’ish camera angle that was zoomed in properly. I could correctly box my guy out. EA failed us here for sure.
3. Oh boy oh boy, THE SPACING. Iv'e seen some of you defend the spacing to no end! Do you wanna know why the spacing seems to look so good? Because AI teammates DON'T MOVE! They just stand there, not moving. The computer is worse in this regard, which is the reason why they do nothing but ISO.
Sorry my friend. You are completely incorrect. Or I should say you don’t know how to play the game. You need to go to the settings and turn on AUTO MOTION for offense and defense. No more standing around. Now why would they leave that off In default?(dumb move on EA’s part). This has nothing to do with spacing. The reason the spacing is good is because the player models are the correct size ratio to the size of the court.
4. That hop-step! You tell me one real basketball game where guys can just hopstep through defenders, with no contest, no foul, no charge, no contact, and just lay the ball in every time down the court. Not real basketball.
Now I have yet to play a person to person game in nba live. So I can see how the hopstep abuse is back like it use to be in live and 2k. but unlike how 2k addressed it. I do not want live to take it out or to make it difficult for a person to do a hopstep. Make it realistic. If someone hopsteps and a guy is standing there (But not taking a charge, you have to hit the controls properly to do this.) both players should fall and the ball should be loose. It should also make the ball handler susceptible to spraining an angle when they do that. But that’s just me. I want realism.
Question. When the guys hopstep you to death. Have you ever constantly attempted to take a charge? Not just put your guy in his way but use the right controls to take a charge right before the guy hopsteps? If not. Then we don’t know if they will give you the charge call or not.
5. Don't even get me started on the animations, real basketball players don't move or look like that when playing, plain and simple.
and back to the look of the game I see. No reason to answer this. Its not 2k visually. What else is there to say. It still has real life basketball mechanics in the game as a nice base.
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My answers are in red. for the guys that keep replying in this thread. do you see how you should reply to people who have questions or make certain statements about the game that you don't agree with. you address those issues. don't just spam the same thing you heard the last guy say "oh boy live lover, you should get paid by ea, are you a dev. this game sucks." we all heard that already try to come with something a bit more in-depth then that.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
[QUOTE=kingpnp3;2045700013]Let me just address your last point first. I don't care about the graphics, the game doesn't look next gen, that's not my issue. The issue I have is with the animations, the way the players move. It's not very realistic unless you're dribbling the ball. That's all I was saying.
Now, in my personal experience, playing against the CPU, I don't see them run plays, I really don't, and that might be because I don't have the Auto Motion thing you mentioned activated. I'm well versed in basketball knowledge and I know how to defend properly, trust me.
But when I have a situation playing against the AI controlled Spurs, and 5 strait possessions they ISO Tiago Splitter in the paint, and he shoots a contested, turn around jumpshot or sky hook, there's a problem. Same issue when playing a team like the Knicks, multiple possessions in a row, they ISO'd Melo on the low block, same spot everytime, and everytime he did the same turn around fadeaway jumper. Now, iv'e started playing against other teams, and the problem doesn't rear it's head as much, but this was a HUGE problem in NCAA Basketball 10 and i'm not sure how it made it's way over into this game. I'll provide video proof next time I play so you can see what I mean.
I'm glad we can somewhat agree on the rebounding, but to me it's a lost cause. When I play 2K, I play strictly on ball defense, it's actually fun for me to do this year. Now, i'm not saying 2Ks rebounding is perfect by any stretch, because believe me, it has it's flaws too, but not to the point of Live. We can't control every player on the court at once, the AI needs some sort of awareness to it when it comes to rebounding, especially when I press the rebound button and it takes about 3 seconds for my player to even react.
About the spacing, if this Auto Motion fixes the problem, then I will definitely retract my statement. It's something i'll have to try when I can get home and get the game on again, thanks for pointing this out to me.
That hop step, there's no defending that cheese, it's simply unguardable when playing against another human, and even worse when the CPU decides to bust it out. I do everything I can to try and stop it. Go for charges, steals, hands up, everything. Iv'e seen instances where guys just warp through my defender to the bucket. Completely unacceptable and needs to be fixed ASAP.
And like I said, i'm not a big graphics nut. If the game looks amazing, that's a plus. I can look past sub par graphics if the game animated with some fluidity and realism, but right now it just doesn't for the most part. There are some moments where it looks okay, but everything just seems rough and rigid at this point.
And I also thank you for your mature response. I love a good debateComment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
I think what hurts the most as a basketball fan is that they had such a good foundation with NBA Live 10 (I think?) and decided to scrap all that in favor of what turned out to be an un-releasable atrocity. If they can recapture the core aspects of that game and work on the animations (which were to me, the weak point of that game) then they'll have my attention.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
Even from watching the videos I can see that hop steps can be exploited a bit. I can see it because the game jsut doesn't have the right animation to defend it against.
I was watching the OG interview and there were certain times where Boozer just got to the rim with no help defense. And it wasn't because he was doing anything unrealistic its because the game just doesn't have enough animations to contend against every single situation.
I've noticed then when the offense attacks at an angle the defense is kind of left in the dust. But let that same offensive player come at the defender straight on and the defender will body them up.
So hopefully with a patch or with Live 15 EA can add in some animations that help the defender in those situations. I like where EA is trying to go with this game though because it seems as if they are trying to get rid of suction collision.
In there system it seems as if collisions only happen when the players actually make contact. If they don't make contact players will just slip by each other. This is just my observations I haven't been able to play either 2K14 or Live on NG..
Be interested to hear what you guys have to say about my observations though.Comment
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Re: NBA LIVE 14 plays like real basketball (Watch closely)
wait, you said all of that then posted the bolded. lol.
you've just exposed the issue people have with 2k and its contact animations at times(no were near as bad as it use to be. so props to 2k for that).
IF two people don't come in contact with one another....WHy should their be a CONTACT animation? there shoudnt.
in the video I posted. he BLEW by me, because I never put a body on him. I had the angle wrong for the moves the offensive guy chose to put on me. that's my fault. not the fault of the animation. I don't want to have the game start a "go around him" animation. when its obvious he was going by me without me doing anything about it. now that I know how to play defense a lot better(I still need a ton of work). I feel more contact. I at first agreed with a lot of the posters that were upset about the lack of FEELING you have with this game vs what we've known for years with 2k. we can feel the bumping of guys constantly. now granted 2k goes over board with those animations as well. which turns into another issue.
but once I started to get the hang of defense. I started to feel more of those bumps. because now I know how to cut guys off. and if I guess terribly wrong I feel like I have no help. because I cant feel anything. but this is real life. when guys can put a move on you bad enough to make you go left when they're going right. you wont be able to feel their bodies anymore. you will be left in the dust. this game does that.Comment
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