If NBA Live Has a Future, It Has to Look Radically Different

[Sundown]

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The biggest problem I'm seeing after having spent a lot of time with game is the points in the paint. It's not always a problem, but I'd say maybe 3 out of every 5 games or so. Going back to the point you made about "hop step circus layups with Andrew Bynum", there are certain stretches of the game where you see that happening. And that's because you really can't "body up" someone in the post once they have the ball. So a lot of times, it results in an easy bucket for the CPU and it's usually an ugly animation too, LOL.

I guess any video game is what you make of it. But, I do think Live plays a good game of single player basketball. It's far from perfect, but it's also not nearly as bad as so many people make it out to be. It's stopped me from playing 2K outside of human vs. human games.

That's one key thing I forgot in which Live bears no resemblance to real basketball. There's no physicality in the paint.

I understand that some games have enough good that one or two flaws shouldn't deter you from the game if you they can be managed. 2K happens to be that game for me and some of the issues WTF dislikes can be rectified with sliders.

I just can't see how Live is superior in enough ways (or any way) that matters-- it looks bad, it feels bad, its most vaunted feature (dribbling) is actually terribly implemented and feels primitive, and it's horrible inside the paint and not especially good anywhere else.

[Pared]

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I played the demo again the night before last... And I still feel this article is quite on the mark.

Any type of good I can see in this game is me looking at what "potential" is there. I had the same eye when I was looking at Sony's title. There were some nice elements... but it does not belong "in the running" of being a solid, complete title in my mind. If this is a building block and someone told me three years from now the game will be better I would believe you. But as is....

[Boilerbuzz]

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i was referring to fox sports. one of the greatest parts about the pc version of nba 2k is the modding community. plenty of different scorebugs (like tnt and fox sports) to replace the generic one that 2k uses. and again they dont even need an official license as 2k has done just fine without one. as far as commentary there are plenty of options out there. ea and 2k have a combined five commentators in their game. are you trying to tell me there are only five people who broadcast nba games?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ers#ESPN.2FABC

theres a list of all the possible real life broadcasters.

Guys, Fox just carries the local rights. There is no national recognition for that license. Those games that are picked up, though, are branded NBA TV. So that would work. But, again, there is very little that is recognizable in that.


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[Boilerbuzz]

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I'm done posting in this particular thread. I'm well aware that I shouldn't be enjoying this game. But I'll stick to the impressions thread where there are a handful of other people that are enjoying it.

You guys hurt the man's feelings or something?


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[Boilerbuzz]

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What I mean is this, this game should be dead and its not (in terms of gamers giving a damn about its existence). And for reasons that are mostly born of the competition's varied incompetence. I'll hedge my next few statements and keep them as general as possible to avoid confusion.

Not true. EA, unfortunately has always had a loyal to sympathetic following. There are a lot of them. Even if the competition was flawless, there are still those people that would play Live.


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[DonWuan]

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So quick question.

So with some people enjoying the game does that ruin some evil plan for EA to cancel the future games?

Is the thought process that since some enjoying the game, that EA/Live Devs will get ultra lazy since we accept such pure trash.

Where are the numbers coming from of sold copies. Very small sample size but atl/smyrna/vinings area there are no copies of either game at my 2 walmarts, bestbuy, toys r us(biggest in area). Assuming because EA is on the box. There will be pissed off kids come christmas time.

[Slater James]

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Not true. EA, unfortunately has always had a loyal to sympathetic following. There are a lot of them. Even if the competition was flawless, there are still those people that would play Live.


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If the competition was "flawless" this board would look much like it did in the aftermath of Elite once the shock and morbid curiosity wore off and the game was ultimately cancelled.

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[King_B_Mack]

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So quick question.

So with some people enjoying the game does that ruin some evil plan for EA to cancel the future games?

Is the thought process that since some enjoying the game, that EA/Live Devs will get ultra lazy since we accept such pure trash.

Where are the numbers coming from of sold copies. Very small sample size but atl/smyrna/vinings area there are no copies of either game at my 2 walmarts, bestbuy, toys r us(biggest in area). Assuming because EA is on the box. There will be pissed off kids come christmas time.

Bro, your local stores being out of the game isn't indication of booming Live sales as you're trying to imply. If Walmart brought in ten copies of that but had 50 copies of Battlefield to sell...yeah, I shouldn't have to finish this sentence for you to see where it's going.

[DonWuan]

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Bro, your local stores being out of the game isn't indication of booming Live sales as you're trying to imply. If Walmart brought in ten copies of that but had 50 copies of Battlefield to sell...yeah, I shouldn't have to finish this sentence for you to see where it's going.

Wasnt implying my fellow OSer, looking for Knack and some other stuff while shopping(for the wife) and just thought, damn no copies of Live.

Originally I wouldn't have paid 2cents but got it for $30.

But any official numbers of sales for this release?

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[King_B_Mack]

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**** is not pretty man.

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/74703/nba-live-14/Global/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/74165/nba-2k14/Global/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/72629/madden-nfl-25/Global/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73754/fifa-soccer-14/Global/

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/73201/skylanders-swap-force/Global/

Doesn't matter how many of you guys are enjoying this game. Numbers like that doesn't normally equal "more of the same." Not at that address anyway.

[DonWuan]

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Thanks for posting that.

The lazy gamer.

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[bumpyface]

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At the end of the day there is probably no point in posting anything good about Live. Game looks like ****, animations look like **** and they have admitted to the game being subpar. But the graphics whore I am(mainly Pc player) why am I having fun with this game. Game that decided my purchase was from the Demo. Warriors(me) vs OKC, greatest virtual basketball game Ive played since Ben Wallace was on the cover. Those moments when OKC was playing true to themselves, double overtime victory for myself. Never felt cheated, still a little high from that game.


I dont think either game represent basketball simulation. As Live might look uglier doing it, I have about the same amounts of WTF was that type moments in both games.

I do agree with everyone. Everything about this game should/could have been done 100x better. EA has the resources if they were serious about competition. Keep the core, fire the art people and need to see a massive increase in every area of the game.

Side note, I purchased it from Amazon Warehouse for 30ish dollars.

Nice post man. I've been playing video games for 25 years! Yes, 25 years. I love basketball and I think I've played nearly every basketball game that has been released. With that being said, I haven't played a so-called basketball game that felt like basketball in YEARS. 2k11 may have been that last one.

[DonWuan]

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Nice post man. I've been playing video games for 25 years! Yes, 25 years. I love basketball and I think I've played nearly every basketball game that has been released. With that being said, I haven't played a so-called basketball game that felt like basketball in YEARS. 2k11 may have been that last one.

I would love to say we are headed in the right direction but ultimately no.

2k needs to do some major work on their engine. Legacy issues tagged along for next gen. Ea overhaul of everything. Put tons of money into it and find a team they can believe in and maintain year to year.

They both have a different take on bball. Both games have their pros and con's. The reason we all favor Live/2k is the flashes of bball we do see. Neither is perfect and both can look really ugly at times.

I'm praying 2k releases nextgen style on PC next release. And hopefully Live comes full forced next year.



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[El_Poopador]

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I'm telling you that another company is not going to get into basketball with these two established companies already taking up most of the resources. Look what happen to Madden when NFL 2k bolstered their overall resources in that game. That lead to EA making that deal with the NFL to purchase their license to be the only football game on the market. If a company comes in and makes a generic NBA basketball game, then it will end up like Back breaker, which was a one and done because of very poor sales and no profit. Next a game company will not be able to use those ESPN commentators because they work for Espn. We are in a time where only two sports games from different companies can be allowed in a video game market. NBA live was gone for three years, but they were still under contract with all their licenses. I guarantee you if they would have called it quits three years ago, then another company would have emerged by now to compete with 2k with the void for another basketball game.

two established companies? right now ea is anything but established in nba gaming. after elite 11 and live 13 they actually have more work to do to earn trust. what resources are taken up? 2k has three commentators and ea has espn. do you really believe that there is no one else out there they can use? espn is not the only station in town. do you remember apf 2k8? that game had nothing. no real life broadcast package no real life commentators not even the nfl license. the game was essentially a port of nfl 2k5. and that was on top of being very bare bones in the modes department. that game sold upwards of 400K copies. 400K without even real teams. nba 2k14 doesnt have a real life broadcast package either. they both use the 2k sports network. even nfl 2k5 didnt have real life broadcasters. so if a commentary team and broadcast package is your only argument then you dont have an argument. there are any number of local broadcast teams they could go after. even if they had a generic broadcast package and a fake commentary team it could still be good if they put the effort in.

backbreaker didnt sell for a multitude of reasons. it didnt have actual nfl teams. it didnt have ANY commentary. the gameplay didnt receive a warm reception especially in terms of the camera angles. its modes werent fleshed out. there werent many plays to pick from. i could go on. and that game sold over 300K copies. imagine if they actually had great gameplay and ai with solid commentary and real nfl teams. either way that has no place in this conversation because no one holds an exclusive license to the nba.

and if nba live is so bad (as you say it is) then why would that prevent someone else from making a game? if anything that should encourage another team to step up. even if they dont beat 2k they can still produce a game and say hey we beat ea. so that argument still doesnt hold water. by your logic if both nba live and nba 2k were horrible games no other company should even try since there are already two games out there by two different companies. makes perfect sense.

[Pared]

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Not true. EA, unfortunately has always had a loyal to sympathetic following. There are a lot of them. Even if the competition was flawless, there are still those people that would play Live.


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To be fair, 2k has their own followers who do the same thing at this point.

I enjoy the game immensely, but the fact that so many others can't because of constant crashing and game-crippling glitches is inexcusable. I am sure there are individuals giving those a pass.

People are as vocal about EA's missteps. Remember the left-handed batter glitch in MVP Baseball?