NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirmed

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

Sliders aren't even designed to be a band aid or fix for anything (even though they can be)...they are a way to customize your personal experience...nothing new...

[da ThRONe]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

I ain't trynna come for you, but it's just funny to me you're saying you're being open minded but don't think games need sliders, lol. I play plenty of games out the box, I'm not a slider dude, but that doesn't mean every game shouldn't have as much customization as possible. Everybody doesn't play or view things the same, so sliders are a must imo nowadays. I don't even really use those ****s.

What is it that all hardcore gamers talk about. A game being "SIM". Which to me means as much like the actually sport as possible. If the game out of the box isn't the best representation of said sport to me that's a failure on the designers.

[SageInfinite]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

What is it that all hardcore gamers talk about. A game being "SIM". Which to me means as much like the actually sport as possible. If the game out of the box isn't the best representation of said sport to me that's a failure on the designers.

You're absolutely right, I don't even mess with sliders like that, I want the game to give me a realistic experience out the box, but my realistic might not be someone elses realistic. Sliders imo should be for personal experience not for fixing the game, so I agree there.

I look at it like online gaming. I'm not an online sports gamer, but in this day and age, it would be unacceptable for a game to not have online modes and features. I will almost NEVER use them, but I don't think games shouldn't have them, because there are a ton of people who enjoy them. Same with slider customization

[aholbert32]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

What is it that all hardcore gamers talk about. A game being "SIM". Which to me means as much like the actually sport as possible. If the game out of the box isn't the best representation of said sport to me that's a failure on the designers.

To YOU. And what the best representation is may be different between me and you..and thats why sliders are needed.

[da ThRONe]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

There is no acceptable excuse in the 2014 for ANY Sports Games to NOT allow you to customize it to YOUR liking. Absolutely none.

And to rely on any company to get complete 100% representation/simulation of an actual NFL/NBA/MLB game that you see on TV is being naive and there's no other way to put it especially since they've been trying for how many years now and have still yet to get it right? Somebody tell me how this is worth a full $60 again?

So it's naïve for them to make a well tuned game, but it's common sense that they should leave you the responsibility to tweak the game themselves. If you can get a game good enough by tweaking sliders that game could have shipped that way. If the average player converts at the rim at 60% over the last 10 years there's no way I should get the game and player covert at 20%. That's not a "you like to play one way I like to play another way" issue. That is a flaw in the game. And if I can go to the sliders and raise the amount of basket made at the rim to get it close to that 60% average that should have been in the game already.

[youvalss]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

da ThRONe, trust me, I'm one of the lazier gamers. I don't mess much with rosters and/or sliders unless I have to. Even when I was playing on the PC I didn't bother much with mods and patches, since I believe that if that's what you're doing all day, eventually the patches become the goal - not the way to reach the goal, and you end up not having time to play...

Anyway, I still find myself tweaking my sliders to me likings, and making some player edits. I'm probably not even half of the sim-head as some (most?) of the guys here, but I did feel the need tweak the game to my likings. Which is the same reason why I don't use a set of sliders provided by one of the good guys here - without tweaking it. I just can't.

A game with no sliders is the way the developer though it should be played. It's an opinion of a person(S) about the representation of the real sport. It still doesn't mean that it represents the sports the way I see it or you see it, even if those developers are geniuses at programming and are NBA-encyclopedia people.

[Sinner]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

You'd be surprised to see what even 1 day of tweaking and altering can do.

Ok cause when I see animation and especially AI quality that along seems like it can be a lot of trouble and could lead to other problems trying to fix.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

I wonder if the tendencies will actually update after every game this year...they don't HAVE to say that...I think most of us would be ok with weekly...it's just that it's a tall order that they couldn't back up after saying it in 2010 and 2014...

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

different camera angles sound good finally!

[da ThRONe]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

To YOU. And what the best representation is may be different between me and you..and thats why sliders are needed.

Again most aspect of basketball isn't just "me" it basketball. I shouldn't be able to shoot 75% on fadeaway 3pt jumpers, or converting 90% of lay ups. That's not sim ball. That's what the difficulty levels should be for.


I don't see one area that sliders should be able to change that shouldn't be tuned coming in so that it produces an on court performance similar to what you get in real basketball. With things like synergy in the game why should guys be putting up statistical anomaly minus the sliders?

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

Again most aspect of basketball isn't just "me" it basketball. I shouldn't be able to shoot 75% on fadeaway 3pt jumpers, or converting 90% of lay ups. That's not sim ball. That's what the difficulty levels should be for.


I don't see one area that sliders should be able to change that shouldn't be tuned coming in so that it produces an on court performance similar to what you get in real basketball. With things like synergy in the game why should guys be putting up statistical anomaly minus the sliders?

that's the beauty of it . what if he wanted to shoot 90% on layups and 75% on 3 pointers.

[El_Poopador]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

Again most aspect of basketball isn't just "me" it basketball. I shouldn't be able to shoot 75% on fadeaway 3pt jumpers, or converting 90% of lay ups. That's not sim ball. That's what the difficulty levels should be for.

I never liked that difficulty changes shot success. I believe difficulty levels should only affect the CPU AI, but that's another discussion entirely.

I don't see one area that sliders should be able to change that shouldn't be tuned coming in so that it produces an on court performance similar to what you get in real basketball. With things like synergy in the game why should guys be putting up statistical anomaly minus the sliders?

No one is saying they shouldn't strive to get the most realistic playing game out of the box. But let's say player A is a basketball guru, and is getting realistic stats because they know the ins and outs of the game. But player B isn't as familiar with basketball, but enjoys playing the game anyway. Sliders can help player B to get realistic stats, while not playing with as much intelligence and basketball IQ as player A.

It all comes down to options. If the game is amazing out of the box, then that's fantastic. But if someone doesn't feel that an aspect is not right, the option to adjust it should be there.

[darkknightrises]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

Just said it in the other thread, but zero chance I purchase this game now with no sliders.

Can't force people to play the game a certain way. This isn't 1988 on the Nintendo.

Yeah I cant believe the game doesn't even have sliders in it. No sports game plays realistic with out sliders not even the great mlb the show games no excuse to not have sliders that already means the games is going to be either to hard or to easy for ever one.

[da ThRONe]

Re: NBA Live 15 Twitter Chat with Executive Producer Sean O'Brien, No Sliders Confirm

da ThRONe, trust me, I'm one of the lazier gamers. I don't mess much with rosters and/or sliders unless I have to. Even when I was playing on the PC I didn't bother much with mods and patches, since I believe that if that's what you're doing all day, eventually the patches become the goal - not the way to reach the goal, and you end up not having time to play...

Anyway, I still find myself tweaking my sliders to me likings, and making some player edits. I'm probably not even half of the sim-head as some (most?) of the guys here, but I did feel the need tweak the game to my likings. Which is the same reason why I don't use a set of sliders provided by one of the good guys here - without tweaking it. I just can't.

A game with no sliders is the way the developer though it should be played. It's an opinion of a person(S) about the representation of the real sport. It still doesn't mean that it represents the sports the way I see it or you see it, even if those developers are geniuses at programming and are NBA-encyclopedia people.

There will be no prefect game. We all know that. There aren't too many "black and white" issues in life. To me having an accurate representation of what I see on my on game day in my videogame is one of those black and white things. There's more than enough data available to have the game as close as possible without sliders IMO.


What does somebody else want in the game that I don't or vice versa that is or isn't SIM?



Bottom line I won't skip a title because it does or doesn't have sliders. Just see them as a luxury not a must and I think they allow designers the option to not finely tune or correct fundamental flaws in the game because they know it can be "mostly" be managed with sliders.


We can all agree to disagree.

[Bowinkle08]

Will there be roster updates every week?

Sean: Player tendencies updated after every single game through Synergy Sports. Rosters will be kept up-to-date all season

good good. this is important 2me